I don't see the relevance of the Watson discussion to the Association of Internet Researchers list. I was hoping it would die out on its own, but it seems to persist. Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________ S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Room 418 Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-7162 Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php Elvis wouldn't be singing "Return to Sender" these days _______________________________________________________________________
Certainly ethics in the context of Internet studies is a broad far reaching topic. But for one math teacher of mine when I brought up ethical studies and ethical uses of statistics she started to talk about a professor who was a racist in public and not apologizing. Maybe for those of us techi's this narrow ethics topic is our first impression use of the term ethics in university? Certainly a hot topic for some but probably not valid here except in studying something like Internet hate and I am reading Castells on US Militias at the moment. peace love and eternal grooviness Peter Timusk, B.Math statistics (2002), B.A. legal studies (2006) Carleton University Systems Science Graduate student, University of Ottawa. just trying to stay linear. Read by hundreds of lurkers every week. On 23-Oct-07, at 5:09 PM, Barry Wellman wrote:
I don't see the relevance of the Watson discussion to the Association of Internet Researchers list. I was hoping it would die out on its own, but it seems to persist.
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Barry, I think that it's just very interesting, Watson is as close to a God as mortal man can get. To see God fall is perhaps more interesting? Apologies to all those people of any faith on this list for any offense caused. On 10/23/07, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
I don't see the relevance of the Watson discussion to the Association of Internet Researchers list. I was hoping it would die out on its own, but it seems to persist.
Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________
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I think any discussion regarding the merging of objective scientific insights and subjective opinion is pertinent to all fields of social science. The fact that someone such as Watson can be brilliant and at the same time socially misguided is relevant. It falls under epistemology and the potential effects on method and data analysis/interpretation (selection bias, tainted data, and so forth). Anthropology dealt with the issue of the gaze. Why shouldn't we? Even Internet Studies is susceptible. -robert On 10/23/07, Martin Garthwaite <marting@gmail.com> wrote:
Barry,
I think that it's just very interesting, Watson is as close to a God as mortal man can get. To see God fall is perhaps more interesting?
Apologies to all those people of any faith on this list for any offense caused.
On 10/23/07, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
I don't see the relevance of the Watson discussion to the Association of Internet Researchers list. I was hoping it would die out on its own, but it seems to persist.
Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________
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Indeed, Robert. Moreover, there is frequently an overlap between development issues and digital issues (on which this discussion has a very obvious bearing, particularly as Watson cites the influence of genetic theory on international development policies -- constructs such as 'digital divide' come to mind -- in his original remarks as quoted by The Times). Paula nativebuddha wrote:
I think any discussion regarding the merging of objective scientific insights and subjective opinion is pertinent to all fields of social science. The fact that someone such as Watson can be brilliant and at the same time socially misguided is relevant. It falls under epistemology and the potential effects on method and data analysis/interpretation (selection bias, tainted data, and so forth). Anthropology dealt with the issue of the gaze. Why shouldn't we? Even Internet Studies is susceptible.
-robert
On 10/23/07, Martin Garthwaite <marting@gmail.com> wrote:
Barry,
I think that it's just very interesting, Watson is as close to a God as mortal man can get. To see God fall is perhaps more interesting?
Apologies to all those people of any faith on this list for any offense caused.
On 10/23/07, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
I don't see the relevance of the Watson discussion to the Association of Internet Researchers list. I was hoping it would die out on its own, but it seems to persist.
Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________
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