I like adobe buzzword...much cleaner interface than google docs and allows for videoconferencing through adobe connect very easily... On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:34 PM, NANCY MCDONALD-KNWRTHY wrote:

google docs is a wonderful tool... I've taught M. Ed teachers to use it as part of their tech class in teacher prep... it works. I think you'd all need to get a gmail account... I forget about that one... but to edit I think you need one.

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Kim,

You might try etherpad.com (I think it's out of beta testing) and google docs?

Jess

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Hello,

I have 2 researchers who would like to work on the same document simultaneously, with the ability to see each other's edits in real time. Any suggestions out there?

Thanks,

Kim

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the version that is linked to buzzword is free for now...up to three or four participants is the limit...quality is good...the full version of adobe connect, which must be installed on it's own server is not free... bryan On Jan 28, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Khakimov, Amonulla (MGS) wrote:

Is Adobe connect free? As far as I know you have to buy a license to use it.. unless it works some other way when linked to adobe buzzword, never used the later one though...

Amon.

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I like adobe buzzword...much cleaner interface than google docs and allows for videoconferencing through adobe connect very easily...

On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:34 PM, NANCY MCDONALD-KNWRTHY wrote:

...

google docs is a wonderful tool... I've taught M. Ed teachers to use it as part of their tech class in teacher prep... it works. I think you'd all need to get a gmail account... I forget about that one... but to edit I think you need one.

----- Original Message ----- From: Jess <jess@jesslaccetti.co.uk> Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [Air-L] looking for a collaborative real-time editor To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org

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Kim,

You might try etherpad.com (I think it's out of beta testing) and google docs?

Jess

----- Original Message ----- From: Kimberly Silk To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: [Air-L] looking for a collaborative real-time editor

Hello,

I have 2 researchers who would like to work on the same document simultaneously, with the ability to see each other's edits in real time. Any suggestions out there?

Thanks,

Kim

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Yes, it's a very useful collaborative tool. However, it is advisable to be aware of GoogleDocs relatively un-secure nature: its terms of use allow Google and its "Subsidiaries and Affiliates" access to whatever content is posted on GoogleDocs. They also allow Google to unilaterally remove, flag, and filter any/all of the posted content. Also, Google's privacy agreement (which also governs GoogleDocs) is extremely liberal. Dana ============ Dana Rotman PhD student University of Maryland's iSchool On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Meryl Krieger <meryl.krieger@gmail.com>wrote:

so are you all saying you can use Googledocs as a kind of wiki tool?

Thanks for the clarification,

Meryl

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:34 PM, NANCY MCDONALD-KNWRTHY < mcdonald-knwrthy.1@osu.edu> wrote:

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google docs is a wonderful tool... I've taught M. Ed teachers to use it as part of their tech class in teacher prep... it works. I think you'd all need to get a gmail account... I forget about that one... but to edit I think you need one.

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...

Kim,

You might try etherpad.com (I think it's out of beta testing) and google docs?

Jess

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The original request was for a word processor which allows collaborators to see edits as they are made. As I understand it, Googledocs doesn't quite do this. I think you have to save an edit before your collaborators can see it. Isn't this so? I thought I heard of a processor that displays all edits precisely when they are being made, but can't find it now. --Christian Nelson On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Cristina Lopez wrote:

Meryl: Googledocs is like a wiki in that you can use it to write collaboratively with others. But there are significant differences between Googledocs and wikis. In a wiki you can create a web of pages, while in Googledocs you can't. In Googledocs documents can be saved, published and printed in different formats, while material you create in a wiki is simply published right in the Web space. I think of Googledocs more as "MS Office plus"--same formats, similar ways of organizing, viewing and publishing documents, but with some added advantages, including the ability to share documents easily, access them from anywhere where you can get on the Web and chat with others who are viewing or editing the document.

Dana: I was just going to ask about security. I'm glad you commented on that. Would you tell me more about Google's privacy policy?

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Meryl Krieger wrote:

...

so are you all saying you can use Googledocs as a kind of wiki tool?

Thanks for the clarification,

Meryl

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:34 PM, NANCY MCDONALD-KNWRTHY < mcdonald-knwrthy.1@osu.edu> wrote:

...

google docs is a wonderful tool... I've taught M. Ed teachers to use it as part of their tech class in teacher prep... it works. I think you'd all need to get a gmail account... I forget about that one... but to edit I think you need one.

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...

Kim,

You might try etherpad.com (I think it's out of beta testing) and google docs?

Jess

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Last time I used Google Docs for synchronous collaborative writing (this past November) it no longer updated edits character-by-character; rather, the screen auto-refreshed every few seconds to show changes. This made editing a bit more wait-and-see than needed at the time. I believe Docs did character-by-character refreshing when first released. I haven't used EtherPad yet, but it claims to refresh character-by-character, if that's what you need. Rik _________________ Rik Hunter Coordinator, Online Writing Center PhD Candidate: Composition & Rhetoric University of Wisconsin-Madison writing@wisc.edu www.wisc.edu/writing/ or rlhunter@wisc.edu Cristina Lopez wrote:

Nope, I believe you can see edits are they are being made. I remember seeing that while working on a document and my colleague happened to start work on it, too. Also, according to their help pages editing happens in real time and others logged in can see it.

Cris

Christian Nelson wrote:

...

The original request was for a word processor which allows collaborators to see edits as they are made. As I understand it, Googledocs doesn't quite do this. I think you have to save an edit before your collaborators can see it. Isn't this so? I thought I heard of a processor that displays all edits precisely when they are being made, but can't find it now. --Christian Nelson

On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Cristina Lopez wrote:

...

Meryl: Googledocs is like a wiki in that you can use it to write collaboratively with others. But there are significant differences between Googledocs and wikis. In a wiki you can create a web of pages, while in Googledocs you can't. In Googledocs documents can be saved, published and printed in different formats, while material you create in a wiki is simply published right in the Web space. I think of Googledocs more as "MS Office plus"--same formats, similar ways of organizing, viewing and publishing documents, but with some added advantages, including the ability to share documents easily, access them from anywhere where you can get on the Web and chat with others who are viewing or editing the document.

Dana: I was just going to ask about security. I'm glad you commented on that. Would you tell me more about Google's privacy policy?

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Meryl Krieger wrote:

...

so are you all saying you can use Googledocs as a kind of wiki tool?

Thanks for the clarification,

Meryl

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:34 PM, NANCY MCDONALD-KNWRTHY < mcdonald-knwrthy.1@osu.edu> wrote:

...

google docs is a wonderful tool... I've taught M. Ed teachers to use it as part of their tech class in teacher prep... it works. I think you'd all need to get a gmail account... I forget about that one... but to edit I think you need one.

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...

Kim,

You might try etherpad.com (I think it's out of beta testing) and google docs?

Jess

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The security of Google Docs always seemed adequate to me. The permissions and public use of the knowledge created through google docs that fall into the second point you make is or seems to be addressed by Google: We've received questions over time about the meaning of section 11.1 of our Terms of Service <http://www.google.com/google-d-s/terms.html>. We realize that for those not familiar with legal agreements for services that use the Internet, these terms can look confusing, or even frightening. The first thing to understand is that this language doesn't give Google ownership rights to your data. You, and you alone, own your content. Whether you wish to keep your content totally private, or share it with the world, that's your choice. However, in order to honor this choice, Google Docs needs permission to display your content as you see fit. This is what we mean by a "license to reproduce." We need to ensure that when you click the "Publish document" button, or use the "Invite collaborators" option, we have the license to carry out your wishes. It is this agreement, between Google Docs and you, the user, that section 11.1 of our Terms of Service reflects. http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=82366&ctx=sibling&topic=... Also, from google, they've embedded video chat through gmail with audio so you can collaborate through video/voip with typed chat on the document itself. In all of the work i've done with professors and students, Google Docs has really stood out. Nick On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Dana Rotman <danarot@gmail.com> wrote:

First, we must remember that GoogleDocs is a free service which is provided under the terms of a unilateral service agreement, and that Google has the ability to change/modify/revoke it (and the service at any given time).

A close look at the terms of service reveals some interesting caveats - 1. Section 11.1 determines that "By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive licence to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services." This may be just a tad problematic privacy- and intellectual-property- wise. This sections continues to include other undisclosed entities with whom "Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services".

2. Google's general privacy agreement (which applies in the case of GoogleDocs as well) applies mostly to personal identifying information (name, address, etc.), and to a lesser extent applies to the content of the documents shared on GoogleDocs. The gap between the two, and the fact that the content that is embedded in GoogleDocs is not protected by the company's privacy policy can be a reason for concern.

This, of course, does not mean that it is a very helpful and convenient service, but that it should be used with caution.

Dana On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Cristina Lopez <clopez@umn.edu> wrote:

...

Meryl: Googledocs is like a wiki in that you can use it to write collaboratively with others. But there are significant differences between Googledocs and wikis. In a wiki you can create a web of pages, while in Googledocs you can't. In Googledocs documents can be saved, published and printed in different formats, while material you create in a wiki is simply published right in the Web space. I think of Googledocs more as "MS Office plus"--same formats, similar ways of organizing, viewing and publishing documents, but with some added advantages, including the ability to share documents easily, access them from anywhere where you can get on the Web and chat with others who are viewing or editing the document.

Dana: I was just going to ask about security. I'm glad you commented on that. Would you tell me more about Google's privacy policy?

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Meryl Krieger wrote:

...

so are you all saying you can use Googledocs as a kind of wiki tool?

Thanks for the clarification,

Meryl

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:34 PM, NANCY MCDONALD-KNWRTHY < mcdonald-knwrthy.1@osu.edu> wrote:

...

google docs is a wonderful tool... I've taught M. Ed teachers to use it as part of their tech class in teacher prep... it works. I think you'd all need to get a gmail account... I forget about that one... but to edit I think you need one.

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...

Kim,

You might try etherpad.com (I think it's out of beta testing) and google docs?

Jess

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If your editors are on Macs and if there are only two, then you might just want to have one connect to the other via Shared Dektop (Screen-Sharing built-in with Macs). So they both work in one of the editors Word processing application. Best --u At 18:15 Uhr -0500 28.1.2009, Peter Timusk wrote:

Is this from the same family/company as subethaedit? That is popular with my Mac using web site development brother.

http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/

Subethaedit claims to be the standard

On 28-Jan-09, at 1:57 PM, Jess wrote:

...

Kim,

You might try etherpad.com (I think it's out of beta testing) and google docs?

Jess

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Hello,

I have 2 researchers who would like to work on the same document simultaneously, with the ability to see each other's edits in real time. Any suggestions out there?

Thanks,

Kim

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2009/1/29 pmgazz <pmgazz@gmx.co.uk>:

I like Huddle for this kind of thing: http://www.huddle.net/ -- it's online, platform independent, has a collaborative whiteboard and also online document editing (compatible with both OOo and MS Office).

I've used Google Docs (when we signed up, you didn't have to have a Gmail a/c, but you did have to have/create a google account. They didn't make it overly clear that you could have a non-gmail email address, though. I do agree about the security issues, and wouldn't use it for anything that had to remain secure - but to quickly co-author things I've found it v. useful. It seems to refresh reasonably often - and you can manually refresh it. I've not seen the chat feature that has been mentioned - only seen it in Google Spreadsheets - but I've not used G Docs for a while now. Has anyone actually got an Etherpad a/c? This conversation reminded me & I went to the site. Apparently I asked for a beta account 62 days ago. I've not had it as far as I know. (Anyway - it said "you requested one" ... rather than "we sent you one") I've just signed up for Huddle - that looks good! In the past, I've also use Zoho - which I think I prefer to Google Docs, though it still has the updating issue - you have to wait a bit, it's not instant. However, any of them are much more "instant" than emailing docs round groups! Emma -- Emma Duke-Williams: School of Computing/ Faculty eLearning Co-ordinator, University of Portsmouth, UK. Blog: http://userweb.port.ac.uk/~duke-wie/blog/

Another possibility for a collaboration platform may be http://g.ho.st/ This is a brand new cloud computing environment -- still experimental and not fully functional, but it appears to have promise. At least from their literature it would appear to offer real-time secure collaboration, but I've not yet actually tried it. -- Mark D. Johns, Ph.D. Associate Professor and Head of the Department of Communication Studies Luther College, Decorah, Iowa USA http://academic.luther.edu/~johnsmar/ ----------------------------------------------- "Get the facts first. You can distort them later." ---Mark Twain

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