Re: [Air-l] Re: New Theoretical Approaches to the Self in Cyber-Culture
However, I do think, that the internet has, or seems about to, change our notions of the self in that it is going to enable us to create social selves that might be said to act on their own and yet might be argued to be a part of our self.
i agree with that point- i've interacted with quite a few individuals who created such semi-independent selves. now you might argue along the lines of dana boyd, stating "those are performed selves"- which is certainly true for the bulk of people- but some of the folks whom i've met acted as "round/complete" characters (sociable, solving problems in their ccommunities, etc. etc.) denied the existence of their own actions. it's a paradox...they were socially involved, yet when confronted with the question "you think this is real?", they'd deny it. "real" here suggests that online and offline social interaction are basically the same, and that's what i'm pointing at: those people's behaviour was basically the same as "in real", yet the link to physical reality and "real" social space was missing. thus, i've talked to constructs who were acting on their own behalf. sure, they were once spawned by a physical self, but as soon as they started differentiating between online and offline space, they became semi-independent beings, vaguely disconnected from the parent minds, but still functional, valid characters. nite. :) max d
noci wrote:
i agree with that point- i've interacted with quite a few individuals who created such semi-independent selves.
Not sure what you mean by semi-independent selves in light of what follows:
i've talked to constructs who were acting on their own behalf. sure, they were once spawned by a physical self, but as soon as they started differentiating between online and offline space, they became semi-independent beings, vaguely disconnected from the parent minds, but still functional, valid characters.
Sounds like we're talking about two different things. You're talking about different self-presentations by one physical being (which I don't see as at all independent of their producer), while I'm talking about self-presentations that aren't (simply) the product of one being (again, self-presentations by robots created as much by programs as by those who utilize these programmed robots for their own uses). --Christian Nelson
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