LOL. I am amused by the idea that supporting AUT would be political but opposing them is OK because it is non-political. This is doubleplusungood doublethink isn't it. FWIW I support AUT.There is an advert on British TV to encourage people to vote It says "If you don't do politics, you don't do anything." and suggests that if you are interested in the world around you then you are de facto interested in politics. I favour a boycott of Israel, not because of its effect of otherwise on the brutal oppression of the Palestinians but because we do not have to be accomplices in that brutal oppression and a boycott is a non-violent civilised way to express that. You have only to listen to the intemperate language with which the Israeli right has responded - rejecting AUT as irrelevant and in the same breath denouncing them as terrorists - to see that it is having an effect. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 25/05/2005 ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Derek, Not supporting AUT is of course a political gesture, although perhaps a more conservative and/or easy one. I don't know. But I don't think that's what was what people had in mind as apolitical earlier (namely Barry and Jeremy). By encouraging the group to take a political stance can likely marginalize those that don't agree. Its not really a sensible move to make when we want a coherent and welcoming group on topics relating to the social impact of the Internet. I don't want you to feel unwelcome because you support AUT any more than I want others to feel unwelcome because they don't. It just seems far enough out of AoIR's range that energy directed towards this issue could be spent better in a host of other groups that are more effectively poised to take action and/or discuss the intricacies of this issue. To restate, its not that I want to silence discussion on AUT, but rather that I don't want AUT to silence discussion on Internet research topics. But that's just my opinion, and hey, I haven't yet paid my dues this year :O Take Care, BERNiE Bernie Hogan PhD Student Department of Sociology NetLab, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto I received a message from Derek McMillan at approximately 5/28/05 2:33 AM. Above is my reply.
LOL. I am amused by the idea that supporting AUT would be political but opposing them is OK because it is non-political. This is doubleplusungood doublethink isn't it.
FWIW I support AUT.There is an advert on British TV to encourage people to vote It says "If you don't do politics, you don't do anything." and suggests that if you are interested in the world around you then you are de facto interested in politics.
I favour a boycott of Israel, not because of its effect of otherwise on the brutal oppression of the Palestinians but because we do not have to be accomplices in that brutal oppression and a boycott is a non-violent civilised way to express that. You have only to listen to the intemperate language with which the Israeli right has responded - rejecting AUT as irrelevant and in the same breath denouncing them as terrorists - to see that it is having an effect.
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On Sat, 28 May 2005, Bernie Hogan wrote:
Derek,
Not supporting AUT is of course a political gesture, although perhaps a more conservative and/or easy one. I don't know. But I don't think that's what was what people had in mind as apolitical earlier (namely Barry and Jeremy).
By encouraging the group to take a political stance can likely marginalize those that don't agree. Its not really a sensible move to make when we want a coherent and welcoming group on topics relating to the social impact of the Internet.
I'm wondering why is it so difficult to suspect that there is a proper dilemma in action over here? What makes people sensible to one side and not the other one? Isn't there a common argument behind those "encouraging the people to take a political stance" and those protecting the group from "marginalizing those that don't agree"? My feeling is that many people who want to "politicalize" the discussions in a mailing list are doing this deliberately in the sense that they are committed in the importance and the necessity of the political in a discussions forum. Typically sensibilities on issues of social justice are intersecting with the political. What strikes me is the persistence of certain among those who want to preserve a non-political character in a mailing list claiming that their motivations are a-political. I'm not questioning their right to do so. I'm just surprised with the reluctance of certain people to discern moral incomensurabilities and value pluralisms. (After all, as a "mathematician" I would like to have a proof of both the obvious and the details.) What has changed all these centuries since Aristotle's conception of the political? Hasn't history taught us anything after all? Well, I could only assume that indeed "some among the Great Gods" of ours is very difficult to "live together" (Isaiah Berlin). --Moses (praying for pluralism in this mailing list.. :-) M.A. Boudourides Associate Professor Department of Mathematics University of Patras 265 00 Rio-Patras Greece Tel.: +30-2610-996318 Fax: +30-2610-996318, +30-2610-992965 http://www.math.upatras.gr/~mboudour
I don't want you to feel unwelcome because you support AUT any more than I want others to feel unwelcome because they don't. It just seems far enough out of AoIR's range that energy directed towards this issue could be spent better in a host of other groups that are more effectively poised to take action and/or discuss the intricacies of this issue.
To restate, its not that I want to silence discussion on AUT, but rather that I don't want AUT to silence discussion on Internet research topics.
But that's just my opinion, and hey, I haven't yet paid my dues this year :O
Take Care, BERNiE
Bernie Hogan PhD Student Department of Sociology NetLab, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto
I received a message from Derek McMillan at approximately 5/28/05 2:33 AM. Above is my reply.
LOL. I am amused by the idea that supporting AUT would be political but opposing them is OK because it is non-political. This is doubleplusungood doublethink isn't it.
FWIW I support AUT.There is an advert on British TV to encourage people to vote It says "If you don't do politics, you don't do anything." and suggests that if you are interested in the world around you then you are de facto interested in politics.
I favour a boycott of Israel, not because of its effect of otherwise on the brutal oppression of the Palestinians but because we do not have to be accomplices in that brutal oppression and a boycott is a non-violent civilised way to express that. You have only to listen to the intemperate language with which the Israeli right has responded - rejecting AUT as irrelevant and in the same breath denouncing them as terrorists - to see that it is having an effect.
Nicely put! :-) Derek McMillan wrote:
LOL. I am amused by the idea that supporting AUT would be political but opposing them is OK because it is non-political. This is doubleplusungood doublethink isn't it.
FWIW I support AUT.There is an advert on British TV to encourage people to vote It says "If you don't do politics, you don't do anything." and suggests that if you are interested in the world around you then you are de facto interested in politics.
I favour a boycott of Israel, not because of its effect of otherwise on the brutal oppression of the Palestinians but because we do not have to be accomplices in that brutal oppression and a boycott is a non-violent civilised way to express that. You have only to listen to the intemperate language with which the Israeli right has responded - rejecting AUT as irrelevant and in the same breath denouncing them as terrorists - to see that it is having an effect.
Derek McMillan triped:
I favour a boycott of Israel, not because of its effect of otherwise on the brutal oppression of the Palestinians but because we do not have to be accomplices in that brutal oppression and a boycott is a non-violent civilised way to express that.
Interacting with Isreali academics is not to be an accomplice to the policies of the Isreali government. Severing ties with Isreal is a sure way to inhibit progress. -eg
Hello all, Does anyone know of any CMC online course? (basics or any). Thanks, Sigal
Sigal, W3Schools have an online tutorial for building web pages. http://www.w3schools.com/default.asp Is that the kind of thing you're looking for? paul teusner -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of sigalz@shaw.ca Sent: Friday, 26 May 2006 08:12 To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org; ellis.godard@csun.edu Subject: [Air-l] CMC -online course Hello all, Does anyone know of any CMC online course? (basics or any). Thanks, Sigal _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
Thanks Paul, I was thinking more of the Theory aspect. Sigal -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Paul Teusner Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:53 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] CMC -online course Sigal, W3Schools have an online tutorial for building web pages. http://www.w3schools.com/default.asp Is that the kind of thing you're looking for? paul teusner -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of sigalz@shaw.ca Sent: Friday, 26 May 2006 08:12 To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org; ellis.godard@csun.edu Subject: [Air-l] CMC -online course Hello all, Does anyone know of any CMC online course? (basics or any). Thanks, Sigal _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
Yeah that's what I thought. I know that many universities (including mine) offer an online course in its first semester. It means you have to register as a student of the school however, and there are the associated costs to that. I came across a web site a while ago by the University of Leicester about social research methods in a virtual environment. Again, it ain't what you're after, but there might be something in it. http://www.geog.le.ac.uk/orm/index.htm paul teusner -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of sigalz@shaw.ca Sent: Friday, 26 May 2006 10:46 To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] CMC -online course Thanks Paul, I was thinking more of the Theory aspect. Sigal -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Paul Teusner Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:53 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] CMC -online course Sigal, W3Schools have an online tutorial for building web pages. http://www.w3schools.com/default.asp Is that the kind of thing you're looking for? paul teusner -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of sigalz@shaw.ca Sent: Friday, 26 May 2006 08:12 To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org; ellis.godard@csun.edu Subject: [Air-l] CMC -online course Hello all, Does anyone know of any CMC online course? (basics or any). Thanks, Sigal _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
Hi there, The Australasian Net research group Fibreculture links to lots of online courses http://www.fibreculture.org/newmediaed/index.html The Resource Centre for Cyberculture Studies also provides links http://www.com.washington.edu/rccs/courselist.asp Cheers graham Dr Graham Meikle ------------------------- Lecturer, Department of Media, Division of Society, Culture, Media and Philosophy, Macquarie University, Sydney, NSW, 2109, Australia. tel: (61 2) 9850-6899 fax: (61 2) 9850-6776 email: <graham.meikle@mq.edu.au>
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of sigalz@shaw.ca Sent: Friday, 26 May 2006 08:12 To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org; ellis.godard@csun.edu Subject: [Air-l] CMC -online course
Hello all,
Does anyone know of any CMC online course? (basics or any).
Thanks, Sigal
Thank you Paul and Graham! That's a great help Sigal -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Graham Meikle Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:59 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] CMC -online course Hi there, The Australasian Net research group Fibreculture links to lots of online courses http://www.fibreculture.org/newmediaed/index.html The Resource Centre for Cyberculture Studies also provides links http://www.com.washington.edu/rccs/courselist.asp Cheers graham Dr Graham Meikle ------------------------- Lecturer, Department of Media, Division of Society, Culture, Media and Philosophy, Macquarie University, Sydney, NSW, 2109, Australia. tel: (61 2) 9850-6899 fax: (61 2) 9850-6776 email: <graham.meikle@mq.edu.au>
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of sigalz@shaw.ca Sent: Friday, 26 May 2006 08:12 To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org; ellis.godard@csun.edu Subject: [Air-l] CMC -online course
Hello all,
Does anyone know of any CMC online course? (basics or any).
Thanks, Sigal
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