Dear All, My name is Andrea. I am a Brazilian Ph.D. candidate, based in London for the current year. I was addressed to this list by my advisor: Michel Menou. My work deals with the changes brought to learning processes by the switch from real to virtual spaces. A special concern in this respect is the formation of critical and autonomous thinkers. The concept of critical thinkers seems a great umbrella. But for me it is less a matter of fostering individual skills and more a social interaction process, which promote a collective questioning, criticism and creativity. I am fostering interesting examples of pedagogical practices. I believe I will find good clues on dialogical methods, such as discussions and collaborative learning, but it's not a "straitjacket". I am also interested in experiences that create and/or maintain community interaction. Does it ring any bells to any of you? I would either appreciate indications of related research and publications. Thanks in advance, Andrea Lapa a.b.lapa@soi.city.ac.uk
Dear Aoir's - I have recently heard some conversation among the New Media crowd regarding the internet as a database rather than as a CMC, or communicative medium. I know some properties of databases, storage, indexing, retrieval and so on. Of course the phone book is a database, databases are not medium-dependent, although usually today they are conceived of as digital rather than text-based. I am interested to know any authors who are putting this view forward, and how the database model gains anything conceptually over CMC. I have stayed with CMC as a conceptual model because it allows for transport. I don't yet see in a database model where the transport segment lies. Someone said, distributed database but that, to my mind, only implies a variety of databases connected by some indexing scheme, and packets are distributed in quite another way. I think we might keep this discussion on list if others find this provocative as it may prove very enlightening. Cheers, Denise ===== "it's easier to use your mouse than your brain" Denise Rall, Sustainable Forestry Mentoring Coordinator & PhD student, School of Education, Southern Cross University, PO Box 157, Lismore, NSW, 2480 Australia Phone +61-2-6624-8627 Fax +61-2-6624-8637 Office (Tuesdays) (02) 6620 3577 Mob 0438 233 344 http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/edu/research/deniserall/index.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
mark poster has some writing related to this in mode of information i think. however, i think that one of the things we have to be clear about is what this metaphor means, if anything, because a database is a fairly encompassing concept, everything from a simple text file with indexing and query, to xhtml/semantic web, xml systems, object oriented data repositories, acid/relational databases all can be thought of as databases. more and more it is less clear to me what we can consider not a database. for the most part, most cmc systems and many modern interfaces run off of some sort of data structure that very well could be thought of as a database. i mean one can make a text file, or data representation operate like a database or perhaps simulate a database by building an abstraction layer on it to provide that functionality, so is it a text file or a database? now, the real problem might be the reason why this matters, and i think that ends up being a question of political economy, ownership, production, rights, data freedoms, etc. which are less controllable in simple text even xml, than they are embedded as a data structure in a database... jeremy hunsinger jhuns@vt.edu on the ibook www.cddc.vt.edu www.cddc.vt.edu/jeremy www.cddc.vt.edu/jeremy/blog () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments
Dear Aoir's - Thanks, Jeremy and others for replying. It's also good to think about the split between comm & DB as differnet aspects of the net. I am not really trying to take this on academically, so to speak, but to understand it for myself. I guess it's the problem of transport that is still bothering me. I can see that cmc helps out with the transport idea, because communication always includes some sort of broadcast/reception, send & receive model. I've never thought of DBs that way. I did think, however, of the power of the query. It is clear that the query starts the transport mechanism for internet, that as one inputs or clicks on an address, that invokes TCP/IP for server to send the file to the desktop making the query. So the query would work as a sort of mechanism to activate the database, that model works out great for the search engine. How one arrives at the database, especially a proprietary DB as you were talking about, it doesn't seem to be a send & receive option but with the query invoked, maybe that makes sense, but . . . Ok, maybe I'm the only one interested in this . . . Denise ===== "it's easier to use your mouse than your brain" Denise Rall, Sustainable Forestry Mentoring Coordinator & PhD student, School of Education, Southern Cross University, PO Box 157, Lismore, NSW, 2480 Australia Phone +61-2-6624-8627 Fax +61-2-6624-8637 Office (Tuesdays) (02) 6620 3577 Mob 0438 233 344 http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/edu/research/deniserall/index.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Hello Aoir's, I've been digging around for days looking for global data on the number/percentage of youth (any segment of ages between 9 and 24) who use the Internet/use email/use IM, and I've come up with very, very little. Does any one know of a source for such numbers? I'd particularly like both a global number or estimate and/or a country by country break down on use. I'd also love a comparative look at IM versus SMS use in a variety of countries. In countries where SMS use is so prevalent among youth, is IM ever used? thanks, Amanda Lenhart PIP alenhart@pewinternet.org
Where do you live, Mark ? Mark Warschauer wrote:
What's SMS? Mark Warschauer
I'd also love a comparative look at IM versus SMS use in a variety of countries. In countries where SMS use is so prevalent among youth, is IM ever used?
_______________________________________________ Air-l mailing list Air-l@aoir.org http://www.aoir.org/mailman/listinfo/air-l
-- ---------------------------- Frank Thomas FTR Internet Research 321, boulevard de la Boissière 93110 Rosny-sous-Bois France tél. 0033.1.48.94.36.90
Where do you live, Mark ?
Southern California. SMS is not as prevalent here as in Europe, and apparently neither is the term (though I'm sure people more astute than I are familiar with it). Mark Mark Warschauer Vice Chair, Department of Education Assistant Professor of Education and of Information & Computer Science University of California, Irvine tel: 949: 824-2526, fax: (949) 824-2965 markw@uci.edu; http://www.gse.uci.edu/markw
Hi Amanda and others, 'Children and their Changing Media Environment' was a comparative, European research programme (12 participating countries, 1996-99) on 6-16 year old's media uses, also cmc and phones. All national teams did large scale surveys combined with qualitative studies on the same research-design. The comparative project is written up in "Children and Their Changing Media Environment", edited by Sonia Livingstone and Moira Bovill, Lawrence Erlbaum 2001. Besides there are numerous books and articles on the national findings from each participating national team. You can search on the national team members from the information in Sonia's and Moira's book. The stats, especially on cmc and mobile phoning might be a little out of date even if the analysis are valid, but I know that most of the participating researchers have continued researching along the tracks of the European project. My own newer studies show that new media, new forms of communication are integrated in everyday media uses - you don't drop other media (in general) when new one are accessible, but broaden the choice of possible media. Each media (form) serves a particular need/practice. Denmark is one of the countries with largest penetration of mobile phones, also among children and young people - with a huge use of sms. If you are interested, send me a mail off-list then I'll refer you to a Danish collegue who is doing a ph.d. on teenagers uses of mobile phones/sms. Best Gitte ----- Original Message ----- From: Amanda Lenhart To: air-l@aoir.org Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:30 PM Subject: [Air-l] Global data on Teen Internet use Hello Aoir's, I've been digging around for days looking for global data on the number/percentage of youth (any segment of ages between 9 and 24) who use the Internet/use email/use IM, and I've come up with very, very little. Does any one know of a source for such numbers? I'd particularly like both a global number or estimate and/or a country by country break down on use. I'd also love a comparative look at IM versus SMS use in a variety of countries. In countries where SMS use is so prevalent among youth, is IM ever used? thanks, Amanda Lenhart PIP alenhart@pewinternet.org
Amanda, contact Rich Ling from Telenor at Oslo at <richard-seyler.ling@telenor.com>. He works on that issue since a couple of years. In our own data from EURESCOM's P903 we start with 15+ aged and compare face to face, fixed line, mobile phone, SMS, email and letter exchanges within netorks of family, of friends, and of acquaintances, for intra-agglomeration, national, and international distances. Data are from end 2000 and cover Norway, denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, UK, France, Italy, Spain, and the Czech Republic. I guess you have access to the data. Good luck Frank Thomas Amanda Lenhart wrote:
Hello Aoir's,
I've been digging around for days looking for global data on the number/percentage of youth (any segment of ages between 9 and 24) who use the Internet/use email/use IM, and I've come up with very, very little. Does any one know of a source for such numbers? I'd particularly like both a global number or estimate and/or a country by country break down on use.
I'd also love a comparative look at IM versus SMS use in a variety of countries. In countries where SMS use is so prevalent among youth, is IM ever used?
thanks,
Amanda Lenhart PIP alenhart@pewinternet.org
-- ---------------------------- Frank Thomas FTR Internet Research 321, boulevard de la Boissière 93110 Rosny-sous-Bois France tél. 0033.1.48.94.36.90
participants (7)
-
Amanda Lenhart -
Andrea Lapa -
Denise N. Rall -
Frank Thomas -
Gitte Stald -
jeremy hunsinger -
Mark Warschauer