Has anyone ever read Jacque Ellul's The Technological Society, tr. Wilkinson, John (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1964) ? and if so, when did you read it and what ideas do you use from it or still find current? thanks for any discussions Peter Timusk, B.Math statistics (2002), B.A. legal studies (2006) Carleton University Systems Science Graduate student, University of Ottawa just trying to stay linear. Read by hundreds of lurkers every week.