Re: [Air-L] Elsevier and academia.edu
Hi again. Great and enlightening discussion! I would like to comment two points: First, I'm with Daren - why publish with the big companies after tenure? I confess I never understood the logic of the US academic environment, or even if and why the same rules and values apply in Europe, Canada, Asia, etc. It seems that Latin America is the only exception in a world where everybody runs the same tenure system (there are reasons to publish with the big business here as well, but I will not bore the majority describing what appears to be a strictly regional set of oddities). It seems that everyone aggrees that open access is better in that it makes our work available to a much larger group of readers. However, it is not so easy to locate good reliable open access journals that run a proper and well intentioned peer review system and that will not surprise us at the end of the reviewing process by charging a 'publication fee to cover the costs' (I know publishing have costs, I have been involved in all parts of the process, from scientific editor to support in the printing factory. Believe me, the fees are disproportionate). I remember having heard of a wiki listing open access journals with information about their reviewing practices, who is 'behind the curtains', etc. Does it exist? If not, I think it is time we start one. My second point is why we make our work available in Academia.edu. I would say it is because papers in Academia.edu get higher rankings from big bad giant Google (I suppose Academia.edu *is* Google. Is it?) Ranking higher means that more people get to read our work, as Academia.edu profits from it but does not charge the reader (or the author). I am not saying it is good or we can't do better - of course we can. I'm just trying to locate what is needed to lead our initiatives to success. Suely Enviado do Yahoo Mail no Android
Hi Suely and all, I am very much enjoying this discussion as someone who has made a career move into Open Access publishing. Suely asked about a wiki that lists OA journals, and there are two resources that come to mind which may be of interest to folks here. First of all, have a look at the Directory of Open Access Journals (http://www.doaj.org). This is a listing of Open Access journals by subject matter, and lists the language, publisher, fees, etc. They formerly listed ALL journals that were OA, but they are imposing stricter listing requirements now and curating their existing lists. You mentioned a wiki, and one I can think of is the Open Access Directory wiki, available here: http://oad.simmons.edu/oadwiki/Main_Page This doesn't necessarily have a list of journals, but rather a list of resources for people interested in OA. I hope these resources are helpful. (As a side note and shameless plug, if anyone's thinking about starting an open access journal or moving an existing journal to OA, I would be happy to help.) Best wishes, Lauren B. Collister Electronic Publications Associate Office of Scholarly Communication and Publishing University Library System University of Pittsburgh lbc8@pitt.edu -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Suely Fragoso Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 9:38 AM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-L] Elsevier and academia.edu Hi again. Great and enlightening discussion! I would like to comment two points: First, I'm with Daren - why publish with the big companies after tenure? I confess I never understood the logic of the US academic environment, or even if and why the same rules and values apply in Europe, Canada, Asia, etc. It seems that Latin America is the only exception in a world where everybody runs the same tenure system (there are reasons to publish with the big business here as well, but I will not bore the majority describing what appears to be a strictly regional set of oddities). It seems that everyone aggrees that open access is better in that it makes our work available to a much larger group of readers. However, it is not so easy to locate good reliable open access journals that run a proper and well intentioned peer review system and that will not surprise us at the end of the reviewing process by charging a 'publication fee to cover the costs' (I know publishing have costs, I have been involved in all parts of the process, from scientific editor to support in the printing factory. Believe me, the fees are disproportionate). I remember having heard of a wiki listing open access journals with information about their reviewing practices, who is 'behind the curtains', etc. Does it exist? If not, I think it is time we start one. My second point is why we make our work available in Academia.edu. I would say it is because papers in Academia.edu get higher rankings from big bad giant Google (I suppose Academia.edu *is* Google. Is it?) Ranking higher means that more people get to read our work, as Academia.edu profits from it but does not charge the reader (or the author). I am not saying it is good or we can't do better - of course we can. I'm just trying to locate what is needed to lead our initiatives to success. Suely Enviado do Yahoo Mail no Android _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
The UK, Australia and NZ (and possibly other countries that I don't know about) don¹t have a 'tenure' system. We have a continuing appointment system, which means you may have a permanent job, subject to certain conditions. A common condition is that you remain 'research active', part of which involves the maintenance of a publication record. This may vary in detail between institutions and countries, but there is always some requirement to publish, and often this has to be in journals of a certain rank. At my institution last year several academics on continuing appointment received letters asking them to explain why their publication record was not up the standard expected, and some were offered redundancies or teaching-only positions as a result of their response. Mary-Helen -- DR MARY-HELEN WARD | Education Design Manager: Sciences Technology and Business Sydney eLearning | Office of the DVC Education THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY T +61 2 9351 7399 | F +61 2 9036 0000 | M +61 402 388424 On 10/12/13 1:38 AM, "Suely Fragoso" <suely.fragoso@ymail.com> wrote:
Hi again. Great and enlightening discussion!
I would like to comment two points:
First, I'm with Daren - why publish with the big companies after tenure? I confess I never understood the logic of the US academic environment, or even if and why the same rules and values apply in Europe, Canada, Asia, etc. It seems that Latin America is the only exception in a world where everybody runs the same tenure system (there are reasons to publish with the big business here as well, but I will not bore the majority describing what appears to be a strictly regional set of oddities).
It seems that everyone aggrees that open access is better in that it makes our work available to a much larger group of readers. However, it is not so easy to locate good reliable open access journals that run a proper and well intentioned peer review system and that will not surprise us at the end of the reviewing process by charging a 'publication fee to cover the costs' (I know publishing have costs, I have been involved in all parts of the process, from scientific editor to support in the printing factory. Believe me, the fees are disproportionate). I remember having heard of a wiki listing open access journals with information about their reviewing practices, who is 'behind the curtains', etc. Does it exist? If not, I think it is time we start one.
My second point is why we make our work available in Academia.edu. I would say it is because papers in Academia.edu get higher rankings from big bad giant Google (I suppose Academia.edu *is* Google. Is it?) Ranking higher means that more people get to read our work, as Academia.edu profits from it but does not charge the reader (or the author). I am not saying it is good or we can't do better - of course we can. I'm just trying to locate what is needed to lead our initiatives to success.
Suely
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The other institutional pressure that come into being here too is the whole issue of University rankings. For example the Times Higher list incorporates things like citations from journals into their approach (even for the Arts, Humanities and Social Sciences where they aren't as relevant as to STEM subjects). This further feeds into the point Mary-Helen makes about why we are 'encouraged' to publish in certain journals. These journals are almost exclusively gated. Where they are not, there are hefty fees for making the work open access. Also, interestingly, in the UK, research councils are starting to give money to institutions to pay for making gated material open access… This is because, in the UK, research councils are now, and in my opinion quite rightly, requiring that the research they fund is made available open access. For how long the paying of fees to gated journals will continue, or how sustainable it is, I have no idea. So,there's a whole politic in here regarding the intertwining of commercial interests, open access, University rankings, public/private funding of research, job security etc… Ben Ben Light PhD MSc BA(Hons) Professor of Digital Media Studies Creative Industries Faculty School of Media, Entertainment and Creative Arts Queensland University of Technology Creative Industries Precinct Z1-515 Musk Avenue Kelvin Grove QLD 4059 Australia Phone: +61 7 3138 8280 Twitter: @doggyb QUT: http://www.staff.qut.edu.au/staff/lightb Open Access Publications: http://eprints.qut.edu.au/view/person/Light,_Ben.html Personal Site: http://www.benlight.org On 11/12/2013 10:25, "Mary-Helen Ward" <mary-helen.ward@sydney.edu.au> wrote:
The UK, Australia and NZ (and possibly other countries that I don't know about) don¹t have a 'tenure' system. We have a continuing appointment system, which means you may have a permanent job, subject to certain conditions. A common condition is that you remain 'research active', part of which involves the maintenance of a publication record. This may vary in detail between institutions and countries, but there is always some requirement to publish, and often this has to be in journals of a certain rank.
At my institution last year several academics on continuing appointment received letters asking them to explain why their publication record was not up the standard expected, and some were offered redundancies or teaching-only positions as a result of their response.
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On 10/12/13 1:38 AM, "Suely Fragoso" <suely.fragoso@ymail.com> wrote:
Hi again. Great and enlightening discussion!
I would like to comment two points:
First, I'm with Daren - why publish with the big companies after tenure? I confess I never understood the logic of the US academic environment, or even if and why the same rules and values apply in Europe, Canada, Asia, etc. It seems that Latin America is the only exception in a world where everybody runs the same tenure system (there are reasons to publish with the big business here as well, but I will not bore the majority describing what appears to be a strictly regional set of oddities).
It seems that everyone aggrees that open access is better in that it makes our work available to a much larger group of readers. However, it is not so easy to locate good reliable open access journals that run a proper and well intentioned peer review system and that will not surprise us at the end of the reviewing process by charging a 'publication fee to cover the costs' (I know publishing have costs, I have been involved in all parts of the process, from scientific editor to support in the printing factory. Believe me, the fees are disproportionate). I remember having heard of a wiki listing open access journals with information about their reviewing practices, who is 'behind the curtains', etc. Does it exist? If not, I think it is time we start one.
My second point is why we make our work available in Academia.edu. I would say it is because papers in Academia.edu get higher rankings from big bad giant Google (I suppose Academia.edu *is* Google. Is it?) Ranking higher means that more people get to read our work, as Academia.edu profits from it but does not charge the reader (or the author). I am not saying it is good or we can't do better - of course we can. I'm just trying to locate what is needed to lead our initiatives to success.
Suely
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Thanks Ben. This expands on my point nicely. It is a rare institution (I do know of one or two in Australia) who are brave enough to codify the value of 'non-traditional' publication and reward their staff for engaging in blogging, tweeting, writing for commentary sites and traditional media, and otherwise raising the profile of both the individual's work and the institution itself. But usually nothing will count as much as highly-ranked journals, not even writing, editing or contributing to books or presenting at conferences. Mary-Helen -- DR MARY-HELEN WARD | Education Design Manager: Sciences Technology and Business Sydney eLearning | Office of the DVC Education THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY T +61 2 9351 7399 | F +61 2 9036 0000 | M +61 402 388424 On 11/12/13 11:46 AM, "Ben Light" <ben.light@qut.edu.au> wrote:
The other institutional pressure that come into being here too is the whole issue of University rankings. For example the Times Higher list incorporates things like citations from journals into their approach (even for the Arts, Humanities and Social Sciences where they aren't as relevant as to STEM subjects). This further feeds into the point Mary-Helen makes about why we are 'encouraged' to publish in certain journals. These journals are almost exclusively gated. Where they are not, there are hefty fees for making the work open access.
Also, interestingly, in the UK, research councils are starting to give money to institutions to pay for making gated material open access… This is because, in the UK, research councils are now, and in my opinion quite rightly, requiring that the research they fund is made available open access. For how long the paying of fees to gated journals will continue, or how sustainable it is, I have no idea.
So,there's a whole politic in here regarding the intertwining of commercial interests, open access, University rankings, public/private funding of research, job security etc…
Ben Ben Light PhD MSc BA(Hons) Professor of Digital Media Studies
Creative Industries Faculty School of Media, Entertainment and Creative Arts Queensland University of Technology Creative Industries Precinct Z1-515 Musk Avenue Kelvin Grove QLD 4059 Australia
Phone: +61 7 3138 8280 Twitter: @doggyb QUT: http://www.staff.qut.edu.au/staff/lightb Open Access Publications: http://eprints.qut.edu.au/view/person/Light,_Ben.html Personal Site: http://www.benlight.org
On 11/12/2013 10:25, "Mary-Helen Ward" <mary-helen.ward@sydney.edu.au> wrote:
The UK, Australia and NZ (and possibly other countries that I don't know about) don¹t have a 'tenure' system. We have a continuing appointment system, which means you may have a permanent job, subject to certain conditions. A common condition is that you remain 'research active', part of which involves the maintenance of a publication record. This may vary in detail between institutions and countries, but there is always some requirement to publish, and often this has to be in journals of a certain rank.
At my institution last year several academics on continuing appointment received letters asking them to explain why their publication record was not up the standard expected, and some were offered redundancies or teaching-only positions as a result of their response.
Mary-Helen -- DR MARY-HELEN WARD | Education Design Manager: Sciences Technology and Business Sydney eLearning | Office of the DVC Education THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY T +61 2 9351 7399 | F +61 2 9036 0000 | M +61 402 388424
On 10/12/13 1:38 AM, "Suely Fragoso" <suely.fragoso@ymail.com> wrote:
Hi again. Great and enlightening discussion!
I would like to comment two points:
First, I'm with Daren - why publish with the big companies after tenure? I confess I never understood the logic of the US academic environment, or even if and why the same rules and values apply in Europe, Canada, Asia, etc. It seems that Latin America is the only exception in a world where everybody runs the same tenure system (there are reasons to publish with the big business here as well, but I will not bore the majority describing what appears to be a strictly regional set of oddities).
It seems that everyone aggrees that open access is better in that it makes our work available to a much larger group of readers. However, it is not so easy to locate good reliable open access journals that run a proper and well intentioned peer review system and that will not surprise us at the end of the reviewing process by charging a 'publication fee to cover the costs' (I know publishing have costs, I have been involved in all parts of the process, from scientific editor to support in the printing factory. Believe me, the fees are disproportionate). I remember having heard of a wiki listing open access journals with information about their reviewing practices, who is 'behind the curtains', etc. Does it exist? If not, I think it is time we start one.
My second point is why we make our work available in Academia.edu. I would say it is because papers in Academia.edu get higher rankings from big bad giant Google (I suppose Academia.edu *is* Google. Is it?) Ranking higher means that more people get to read our work, as Academia.edu profits from it but does not charge the reader (or the author). I am not saying it is good or we can't do better - of course we can. I'm just trying to locate what is needed to lead our initiatives to success.
Suely
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Hi Mary-Helen ... and this meshes also with why we have to incrementally refine the meaning of "academic value" to incorporate "open access", by using every opportunity to mention "open access" and treat "open access" as necessary and important. Eventually the idea that "open access" is as important as high-rank will filter up, down and around, including - one devoutly wishes - to university management. cheers Mathieu ________________________________________ From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] on behalf of Mary-Helen Ward [mary-helen.ward@sydney.edu.au] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 14:36 To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-L] Elsevier and academia.edu Thanks Ben. This expands on my point nicely. It is a rare institution (I do know of one or two in Australia) who are brave enough to codify the value of 'non-traditional' publication and reward their staff for engaging in blogging, tweeting, writing for commentary sites and traditional media, and otherwise raising the profile of both the individual's work and the institution itself. But usually nothing will count as much as highly-ranked journals, not even writing, editing or contributing to books or presenting at conferences. Mary-Helen -- DR MARY-HELEN WARD | Education Design Manager: Sciences Technology and Business Sydney eLearning | Office of the DVC Education THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY T +61 2 9351 7399 | F +61 2 9036 0000 | M +61 402 388424 On 11/12/13 11:46 AM, "Ben Light" <ben.light@qut.edu.au> wrote:
The other institutional pressure that come into being here too is the whole issue of University rankings. For example the Times Higher list incorporates things like citations from journals into their approach (even for the Arts, Humanities and Social Sciences where they aren't as relevant as to STEM subjects). This further feeds into the point Mary-Helen makes about why we are 'encouraged' to publish in certain journals. These journals are almost exclusively gated. Where they are not, there are hefty fees for making the work open access.
Also, interestingly, in the UK, research councils are starting to give money to institutions to pay for making gated material open access… This is because, in the UK, research councils are now, and in my opinion quite rightly, requiring that the research they fund is made available open access. For how long the paying of fees to gated journals will continue, or how sustainable it is, I have no idea.
So,there's a whole politic in here regarding the intertwining of commercial interests, open access, University rankings, public/private funding of research, job security etc…
Ben Ben Light PhD MSc BA(Hons) Professor of Digital Media Studies
Creative Industries Faculty School of Media, Entertainment and Creative Arts Queensland University of Technology Creative Industries Precinct Z1-515 Musk Avenue Kelvin Grove QLD 4059 Australia
Phone: +61 7 3138 8280 Twitter: @doggyb QUT: http://www.staff.qut.edu.au/staff/lightb Open Access Publications: http://eprints.qut.edu.au/view/person/Light,_Ben.html Personal Site: http://www.benlight.org
On 11/12/2013 10:25, "Mary-Helen Ward" <mary-helen.ward@sydney.edu.au> wrote:
The UK, Australia and NZ (and possibly other countries that I don't know about) don¹t have a 'tenure' system. We have a continuing appointment system, which means you may have a permanent job, subject to certain conditions. A common condition is that you remain 'research active', part of which involves the maintenance of a publication record. This may vary in detail between institutions and countries, but there is always some requirement to publish, and often this has to be in journals of a certain rank.
At my institution last year several academics on continuing appointment received letters asking them to explain why their publication record was not up the standard expected, and some were offered redundancies or teaching-only positions as a result of their response.
Mary-Helen -- DR MARY-HELEN WARD | Education Design Manager: Sciences Technology and Business Sydney eLearning | Office of the DVC Education THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY T +61 2 9351 7399 | F +61 2 9036 0000 | M +61 402 388424
On 10/12/13 1:38 AM, "Suely Fragoso" <suely.fragoso@ymail.com> wrote:
Hi again. Great and enlightening discussion!
I would like to comment two points:
First, I'm with Daren - why publish with the big companies after tenure? I confess I never understood the logic of the US academic environment, or even if and why the same rules and values apply in Europe, Canada, Asia, etc. It seems that Latin America is the only exception in a world where everybody runs the same tenure system (there are reasons to publish with the big business here as well, but I will not bore the majority describing what appears to be a strictly regional set of oddities).
It seems that everyone aggrees that open access is better in that it makes our work available to a much larger group of readers. However, it is not so easy to locate good reliable open access journals that run a proper and well intentioned peer review system and that will not surprise us at the end of the reviewing process by charging a 'publication fee to cover the costs' (I know publishing have costs, I have been involved in all parts of the process, from scientific editor to support in the printing factory. Believe me, the fees are disproportionate). I remember having heard of a wiki listing open access journals with information about their reviewing practices, who is 'behind the curtains', etc. Does it exist? If not, I think it is time we start one.
My second point is why we make our work available in Academia.edu. I would say it is because papers in Academia.edu get higher rankings from big bad giant Google (I suppose Academia.edu *is* Google. Is it?) Ranking higher means that more people get to read our work, as Academia.edu profits from it but does not charge the reader (or the author). I am not saying it is good or we can't do better - of course we can. I'm just trying to locate what is needed to lead our initiatives to success.
Suely
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No argument here! Academic institutions are famously difficult to change in the short-term. But yes, we have to keep trying. And,a s I said, some are changing, so there is hope. Mary-Helen -- DR MARY-HELEN WARD | Education Design Manager: Sciences Technology and Business Sydney eLearning | Office of the DVC Education THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY T +61 2 9351 7399 | F +61 2 9036 0000 | M +61 402 388424 On 12/12/13 2:57 PM, "Mathieu ONeil" <mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au> wrote:
Hi Mary-Helen
... and this meshes also with why we have to incrementally refine the meaning of "academic value" to incorporate "open access", by using every opportunity to mention "open access" and treat "open access" as necessary and important. Eventually the idea that "open access" is as important as high-rank will filter up, down and around, including - one devoutly wishes - to university management.
cheers
Mathieu ________________________________________ From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] on behalf of Mary-Helen Ward [mary-helen.ward@sydney.edu.au] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 14:36 To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-L] Elsevier and academia.edu
Thanks Ben. This expands on my point nicely. It is a rare institution (I do know of one or two in Australia) who are brave enough to codify the value of 'non-traditional' publication and reward their staff for engaging in blogging, tweeting, writing for commentary sites and traditional media, and otherwise raising the profile of both the individual's work and the institution itself. But usually nothing will count as much as highly-ranked journals, not even writing, editing or contributing to books or presenting at conferences.
Mary-Helen -- DR MARY-HELEN WARD | Education Design Manager: Sciences Technology and Business Sydney eLearning | Office of the DVC Education THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY T +61 2 9351 7399 | F +61 2 9036 0000 | M +61 402 388424
On 11/12/13 11:46 AM, "Ben Light" <ben.light@qut.edu.au> wrote:
The other institutional pressure that come into being here too is the whole issue of University rankings. For example the Times Higher list incorporates things like citations from journals into their approach (even for the Arts, Humanities and Social Sciences where they aren't as relevant as to STEM subjects). This further feeds into the point Mary-Helen makes about why we are 'encouraged' to publish in certain journals. These journals are almost exclusively gated. Where they are not, there are hefty fees for making the work open access.
Also, interestingly, in the UK, research councils are starting to give money to institutions to pay for making gated material open access… This is because, in the UK, research councils are now, and in my opinion quite rightly, requiring that the research they fund is made available open access. For how long the paying of fees to gated journals will continue, or how sustainable it is, I have no idea.
So,there's a whole politic in here regarding the intertwining of commercial interests, open access, University rankings, public/private funding of research, job security etc…
Ben Ben Light PhD MSc BA(Hons) Professor of Digital Media Studies
Creative Industries Faculty School of Media, Entertainment and Creative Arts Queensland University of Technology Creative Industries Precinct Z1-515 Musk Avenue Kelvin Grove QLD 4059 Australia
Phone: +61 7 3138 8280 Twitter: @doggyb QUT: http://www.staff.qut.edu.au/staff/lightb Open Access Publications: http://eprints.qut.edu.au/view/person/Light,_Ben.html Personal Site: http://www.benlight.org
On 11/12/2013 10:25, "Mary-Helen Ward" <mary-helen.ward@sydney.edu.au> wrote:
The UK, Australia and NZ (and possibly other countries that I don't know about) don¹t have a 'tenure' system. We have a continuing appointment system, which means you may have a permanent job, subject to certain conditions. A common condition is that you remain 'research active', part of which involves the maintenance of a publication record. This may vary in detail between institutions and countries, but there is always some requirement to publish, and often this has to be in journals of a certain rank.
At my institution last year several academics on continuing appointment received letters asking them to explain why their publication record was not up the standard expected, and some were offered redundancies or teaching-only positions as a result of their response.
Mary-Helen -- DR MARY-HELEN WARD | Education Design Manager: Sciences Technology and Business Sydney eLearning | Office of the DVC Education THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY T +61 2 9351 7399 | F +61 2 9036 0000 | M +61 402 388424
On 10/12/13 1:38 AM, "Suely Fragoso" <suely.fragoso@ymail.com> wrote:
Hi again. Great and enlightening discussion!
I would like to comment two points:
First, I'm with Daren - why publish with the big companies after tenure? I confess I never understood the logic of the US academic environment, or even if and why the same rules and values apply in Europe, Canada, Asia, etc. It seems that Latin America is the only exception in a world where everybody runs the same tenure system (there are reasons to publish with the big business here as well, but I will not bore the majority describing what appears to be a strictly regional set of oddities).
It seems that everyone aggrees that open access is better in that it makes our work available to a much larger group of readers. However, it is not so easy to locate good reliable open access journals that run a proper and well intentioned peer review system and that will not surprise us at the end of the reviewing process by charging a 'publication fee to cover the costs' (I know publishing have costs, I have been involved in all parts of the process, from scientific editor to support in the printing factory. Believe me, the fees are disproportionate). I remember having heard of a wiki listing open access journals with information about their reviewing practices, who is 'behind the curtains', etc. Does it exist? If not, I think it is time we start one.
My second point is why we make our work available in Academia.edu. I would say it is because papers in Academia.edu get higher rankings from big bad giant Google (I suppose Academia.edu *is* Google. Is it?) Ranking higher means that more people get to read our work, as Academia.edu profits from it but does not charge the reader (or the author). I am not saying it is good or we can't do better - of course we can. I'm just trying to locate what is needed to lead our initiatives to success.
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Ben Light -
Collister, Lauren Brittany -
Mary-Helen Ward -
Mathieu ONeil -
Suely Fragoso