Dr. Socrates P. Aristotle Provost Stellar University Dear Dr. Aristotle, I am applying for a position at your University. I believe that over the years I have acquired some knowledge that could be useful to your students. I would like the opportunity to teach and share this with them. Let me tell you about myself. I dropped out of formal education at 13. I took an apprenticeship in a local book bindery where I took the opportunity to read most of the books in our shop. After 7 years I applied for a position as a lab technician for a notable scientist. I was rejected. I attended one of his lectures and took notes. I then sent those to him and was hired. I served this scientist for many years and on occasion acted as his valet. Although he was condescending and haughty, I learned from him. I might add that during my association with him I was able to do some of my own investigations and was lucky enough to discover some basic principles in electro-magnetism. My work has been received well, but I have not had the opportunity to formally teach. Which brings me to the original purpose of this communication, you have advertised a position teaching in the Physics department. I believe I can do this with distinction. May I have an interview? Regards, Michael Faraday PS I have several publications. Please feel free to review them. _______________________________________________ Could this person get hired in any University in the United States? ________________________________ Dr. W. Reid Cornwell The Center For Internet Research P.O. Box 6369 Breckenridge, CO 720.212.0719 (phone) 970.485.5109 (mobile) wrc@tcfir.org http://tcfir.org
I just wish to point out that this new thread is entirely off the topic of discussion concerning the Internet, which is the global topic of this email list (at least the last time I checked). Dr. Cornwell, I understand your hostility towards academia. My father shares it, and we haven't spoken since I got a job as an Assistant Professor. But, that's beside the point. This is an email list about internet research, and I hope we can keep the conversation there. Best wishes, ~Jenny Stromer-Galley
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Dr. W. Reid Cornwell Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:05 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] Dear Dr. Aristotle
Dr. Socrates P. Aristotle Provost Stellar University
Dear Dr. Aristotle,
I am applying for a position at your University. I believe that over the years I have acquired some knowledge that could be useful to your students. I would like the opportunity to teach and share this with them.
Let me tell you about myself.
I dropped out of formal education at 13. I took an apprenticeship in a local book bindery where I took the opportunity to read most of the books in our shop.
After 7 years I applied for a position as a lab technician for a notable scientist. I was rejected. I attended one of his lectures and took notes. I then sent those to him and was hired.
I served this scientist for many years and on occasion acted as his valet. Although he was condescending and haughty, I learned from him. I might add that during my association with him I was able to do some of my own investigations and was lucky enough to discover some basic principles in electro-magnetism.
My work has been received well, but I have not had the opportunity to formally teach.
Which brings me to the original purpose of this communication, you have advertised a position teaching in the Physics department. I believe I can do this with distinction. May I have an interview?
Regards,
Michael Faraday
PS I have several publications. Please feel free to review them.
_______________________________________________
Could this person get hired in any University in the United States?
________________________________
Dr. W. Reid Cornwell The Center For Internet Research P.O. Box 6369 Breckenridge, CO
720.212.0719 (phone) 970.485.5109 (mobile) wrc@tcfir.org http://tcfir.org
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Aww Reid is just having fun. Besides, he did the adult thing and apologized justifiably to Jeremy who has been a great source of information for me during my years of graduate study. You should read some of Reid's stuff on learner centered education. Simply fascinating! -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Stromer-Galley Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:31 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Dear Dr. Aristotle I just wish to point out that this new thread is entirely off the topic of discussion concerning the Internet, which is the global topic of this email list (at least the last time I checked). Dr. Cornwell, I understand your hostility towards academia. My father shares it, and we haven't spoken since I got a job as an Assistant Professor. But, that's beside the point. This is an email list about internet research, and I hope we can keep the conversation there. Best wishes, ~Jenny Stromer-Galley
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Dr. W. Reid Cornwell Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:05 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] Dear Dr. Aristotle
Dr. Socrates P. Aristotle Provost Stellar University
Dear Dr. Aristotle,
I am applying for a position at your University. I believe that over the years I have acquired some knowledge that could be useful to your students. I would like the opportunity to teach and share this with them.
Let me tell you about myself.
I dropped out of formal education at 13. I took an apprenticeship in a
local book bindery where I took the opportunity to read most of the books in our shop.
After 7 years I applied for a position as a lab technician for a notable scientist. I was rejected. I attended one of his lectures and took notes. I then sent those to him and was hired.
I served this scientist for many years and on occasion acted as his valet. Although he was condescending and haughty, I learned from him. I might add that during my association with him I was able to do some of my own investigations and was lucky enough to discover some basic principles in electro-magnetism.
My work has been received well, but I have not had the opportunity to formally teach.
Which brings me to the original purpose of this communication, you have advertised a position teaching in the Physics department. I believe I can do this with distinction. May I have an interview?
Regards,
Michael Faraday
PS I have several publications. Please feel free to review them.
_______________________________________________
Could this person get hired in any University in the United States?
________________________________
Dr. W. Reid Cornwell The Center For Internet Research P.O. Box 6369 Breckenridge, CO
720.212.0719 (phone) 970.485.5109 (mobile) wrc@tcfir.org http://tcfir.org
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I wish to respectfully disagree with you on this one. The posting is a humorous contribution to a thread that Jeremy brought up. I also find it relevant as I am thinking about the information society, credentialism and the whole of the commodification of degree programs and their output. I think most disciplines are slow to respond to shifts in markets for doctorate, in and out of academia, and much of this reflects shifts in university roles vis-a-vis an information society. Darren Jennifer Stromer-Galley wrote:
I just wish to point out that this new thread is entirely off the topic of discussion concerning the Internet, which is the global topic of this email list (at least the last time I checked).
Dr. Cornwell, I understand your hostility towards academia. My father shares it, and we haven't spoken since I got a job as an Assistant Professor. But, that's beside the point. This is an email list about internet research, and I hope we can keep the conversation there.
Best wishes, ~Jenny Stromer-Galley
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Dr. W. Reid Cornwell Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:05 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] Dear Dr. Aristotle
Dr. Socrates P. Aristotle Provost Stellar University
Dear Dr. Aristotle,
I am applying for a position at your University. I believe that over the years I have acquired some knowledge that could be useful to your students. I would like the opportunity to teach and share this with them.
Let me tell you about myself.
I dropped out of formal education at 13. I took an apprenticeship in a local book bindery where I took the opportunity to read most of the books in our shop.
After 7 years I applied for a position as a lab technician for a notable scientist. I was rejected. I attended one of his lectures and took notes. I then sent those to him and was hired.
I served this scientist for many years and on occasion acted as his valet. Although he was condescending and haughty, I learned from him. I might add that during my association with him I was able to do some of my own investigations and was lucky enough to discover some basic principles in electro-magnetism.
My work has been received well, but I have not had the opportunity to formally teach.
Which brings me to the original purpose of this communication, you have advertised a position teaching in the Physics department. I believe I can do this with distinction. May I have an interview?
Regards,
Michael Faraday
PS I have several publications. Please feel free to review them.
_______________________________________________
Could this person get hired in any University in the United States?
________________________________
Dr. W. Reid Cornwell The Center For Internet Research P.O. Box 6369 Breckenridge, CO
720.212.0719 (phone) 970.485.5109 (mobile) wrc@tcfir.org http://tcfir.org
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Hey I'm not here to defend the what you regard as indefensible, I have the same interests as most of us: information sharing and networking. Reid is a big boy, and he can take care of himself. Having said that I think you should look at some of his serious work. It is truly compelling and it speaks to the information society in terms of how we are educating students based on a manufacturing and agrarian based model that is designed to educate the average student. He advocates utilizing technology as do others (McCombs, 1997) to modify curricula and classes so that they are more tailored with individuals. If we are truly interested in leaving no person behind (its coming to higher ed unless there are political changes), we must be mindful of the influence of private industry on the Academy. I am very concerned with credentialism, commidification and academic stubborness as well. Most of us probably know this already but higher education in the United States, especially, is three-fold alliance between the US civilian and military government, corporate america and its non-profit satellites (NGO's, foundations etc.) and the research universities. These three entities became united at the hip once Einstein wrote his letter to Franklin Roosevelt after conferring with European colleagues of the dangers of the Germans obtaining the power of the atom (Carroll, 2006). After Fermi and his research group at the University of Chicago produced the first atomic chain reaction, the research was funded by the government and moved to New Mexico and the Manhatten project was born with a military head and an academic head. Private industry (GM, Ford etc) began building and distributing the war machine that eventually developed into the military industrial complex (Carroll, 2006). The Cold War, the Space Race, Star Wars and the smart weapons all resulted from this trinity and the technology was simply transferred for civilian use later. This same mindset is the root cause of commidification and credentialism because corporate america and government agencies need smart people with the right credentials and pedigree to run their organizations and create innovate processees and products. The challenge that academia faces is this: should they create their own products and patents and share them with the world at reasonable prices or should they bow to corporate america and the government. My view is that academia should be shaping the minds and setting the agenda, so that they are a reasonable counter-balance to corporate greed and government encroachment on civil liberties. We have to develop thinkers and doers who are not married to the status quo. Getting back to -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Darren Purcell Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:48 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Dear Dr. Aristotle I wish to respectfully disagree with you on this one. The posting is a humorous contribution to a thread that Jeremy brought up. I also find it relevant as I am thinking about the information society, credentialism and the whole of the commodification of degree programs and their output. I think most disciplines are slow to respond to shifts in markets for doctorate, in and out of academia, and much of this reflects shifts in university roles vis-a-vis an information society. Darren Jennifer Stromer-Galley wrote:
I just wish to point out that this new thread is entirely off the topic
of discussion concerning the Internet, which is the global topic of this email list (at least the last time I checked).
Dr. Cornwell, I understand your hostility towards academia. My father shares it, and we haven't spoken since I got a job as an Assistant Professor. But, that's beside the point. This is an email list about internet research, and I hope we can keep the conversation there.
Best wishes, ~Jenny Stromer-Galley
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Dr. W. Reid Cornwell Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:05 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] Dear Dr. Aristotle
Dr. Socrates P. Aristotle Provost Stellar University
Dear Dr. Aristotle,
I am applying for a position at your University. I believe that over the years I have acquired some knowledge that could be useful to your students. I would like the opportunity to teach and share this with them.
Let me tell you about myself.
I dropped out of formal education at 13. I took an apprenticeship in a
local book bindery where I took the opportunity to read most of the books in our shop.
After 7 years I applied for a position as a lab technician for a notable scientist. I was rejected. I attended one of his lectures and took notes. I then sent those to him and was hired.
I served this scientist for many years and on occasion acted as his valet. Although he was condescending and haughty, I learned from him. I might add that during my association with him I was able to do some of my own investigations and was lucky enough to discover some basic principles in electro-magnetism.
My work has been received well, but I have not had the opportunity to formally teach.
Which brings me to the original purpose of this communication, you have advertised a position teaching in the Physics department. I believe I can do this with distinction. May I have an interview?
Regards,
Michael Faraday
PS I have several publications. Please feel free to review them.
_______________________________________________
Could this person get hired in any University in the United States?
________________________________
Dr. W. Reid Cornwell The Center For Internet Research P.O. Box 6369 Breckenridge, CO
720.212.0719 (phone) 970.485.5109 (mobile) wrc@tcfir.org http://tcfir.org
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Dr. Cornwell, << Could this person get hired in any University in the United States?>> The answer is yes: U.S. universities would be competing for him. There have always been distinguished practitioners without the "terminal" degree allowed in our best universities: George Herbert Palmer and Kenneth Burke are two that come to mind. Bill Gates would be hired by many universities in the U.S. So would Steve Jobs. And Tim Berners-Lee. Is your point that the general level of education in the U.S. would be raised if the bar for recruiting professors was lowered, and the Ph.D. be dropped as a requirement? Is there data to support that position, or does the argument depend on such examples as Michael Faraday and Bill Gates? Is the underlying issue the fate of the Internet as it connects with MIT and Harvard and the 4000 accredited colleges and universities of the US? Is it, perhaps, the ancient and continuing clash between the business mind and its logics, and the academy, which marches to different drummers, and is hostile to the time-and-motion studies and other apparatus of business? Steve Eskow Full disclosure: Dr. Steve Eskow -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Heidelberg, Chris Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:18 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Dear Dr. Aristotle Hey I'm not here to defend the what you regard as indefensible, I have the same interests as most of us: information sharing and networking. Reid is a big boy, and he can take care of himself. Having said that I think you should look at some of his serious work. It is truly compelling and it speaks to the information society in terms of how we are educating students based on a manufacturing and agrarian based model that is designed to educate the average student. He advocates utilizing technology as do others (McCombs, 1997) to modify curricula and classes so that they are more tailored with individuals. If we are truly interested in leaving no person behind (its coming to higher ed unless there are political changes), we must be mindful of the influence of private industry on the Academy. I am very concerned with credentialism, commidification and academic stubborness as well. Most of us probably know this already but higher education in the United States, especially, is three-fold alliance between the US civilian and military government, corporate america and its non-profit satellites (NGO's, foundations etc.) and the research universities. These three entities became united at the hip once Einstein wrote his letter to Franklin Roosevelt after conferring with European colleagues of the dangers of the Germans obtaining the power of the atom (Carroll, 2006). After Fermi and his research group at the University of Chicago produced the first atomic chain reaction, the research was funded by the government and moved to New Mexico and the Manhatten project was born with a military head and an academic head. Private industry (GM, Ford etc) began building and distributing the war machine that eventually developed into the military industrial complex (Carroll, 2006). The Cold War, the Space Race, Star Wars and the smart weapons all resulted from this trinity and the technology was simply transferred for civilian use later. This same mindset is the root cause of commidification and credentialism because corporate america and government agencies need smart people with the right credentials and pedigree to run their organizations and create innovate processees and products. The challenge that academia faces is this: should they create their own products and patents and share them with the world at reasonable prices or should they bow to corporate america and the government. My view is that academia should be shaping the minds and setting the agenda, so that they are a reasonable counter-balance to corporate greed and government encroachment on civil liberties. We have to develop thinkers and doers who are not married to the status quo. Getting back to -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Darren Purcell Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:48 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Dear Dr. Aristotle I wish to respectfully disagree with you on this one. The posting is a humorous contribution to a thread that Jeremy brought up. I also find it relevant as I am thinking about the information society, credentialism and the whole of the commodification of degree programs and their output. I think most disciplines are slow to respond to shifts in markets for doctorate, in and out of academia, and much of this reflects shifts in university roles vis-a-vis an information society. Darren Jennifer Stromer-Galley wrote:
I just wish to point out that this new thread is entirely off the topic
of discussion concerning the Internet, which is the global topic of this email list (at least the last time I checked).
Dr. Cornwell, I understand your hostility towards academia. My father shares it, and we haven't spoken since I got a job as an Assistant Professor. But, that's beside the point. This is an email list about internet research, and I hope we can keep the conversation there.
Best wishes, ~Jenny Stromer-Galley
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Dr. W. Reid Cornwell Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:05 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] Dear Dr. Aristotle
Dr. Socrates P. Aristotle Provost Stellar University
Dear Dr. Aristotle,
I am applying for a position at your University. I believe that over the years I have acquired some knowledge that could be useful to your students. I would like the opportunity to teach and share this with them.
Let me tell you about myself.
I dropped out of formal education at 13. I took an apprenticeship in a
local book bindery where I took the opportunity to read most of the books in our shop.
After 7 years I applied for a position as a lab technician for a notable scientist. I was rejected. I attended one of his lectures and took notes. I then sent those to him and was hired.
I served this scientist for many years and on occasion acted as his valet. Although he was condescending and haughty, I learned from him. I might add that during my association with him I was able to do some of my own investigations and was lucky enough to discover some basic principles in electro-magnetism.
My work has been received well, but I have not had the opportunity to formally teach.
Which brings me to the original purpose of this communication, you have advertised a position teaching in the Physics department. I believe I can do this with distinction. May I have an interview?
Regards,
Michael Faraday
PS I have several publications. Please feel free to review them.
_______________________________________________
Could this person get hired in any University in the United States?
________________________________
Dr. W. Reid Cornwell The Center For Internet Research P.O. Box 6369 Breckenridge, CO
720.212.0719 (phone) 970.485.5109 (mobile) wrc@tcfir.org http://tcfir.org
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I presume from your comment that you know what the Internet is. You see I don't. I'll tell you what I do know that justifies this thread. 1. I didn't start it. 2. Monster Board, Jobs.com, Yahoo Employment, Google Employment, Intratech (my old company) more...... have changed the way Human Resources and candidates find each other. ( an relatively unstudied phenomena) 3. I know that your University has its own web based employment practice 4. I know that screening software would almost certainly rule out Michael Faraday. 5. I know that recruiting websites, book selling and pornography are the most commercially successful categories on the Internet. I also know that you have no idea what I think about Academia. I know that it could stand considerably more criticism than I have offered. I know that the posting of Jeremy's is from a highly respected source with whom I agree. I consider your comments an unjustified flaming that underscores my earlier criticism about exclusionary attitudes that undercut cross-disciplinarity. Hope you and your father work it out. He may have a Point! Actually, I think he may have a lot of company among the common folk. I have this mental picture of Niles, Frazier (sp), and their father. Reid -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Stromer-Galley Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:31 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Dear Dr. Aristotle I just wish to point out that this new thread is entirely off the topic of discussion concerning the Internet, which is the global topic of this email list (at least the last time I checked). Dr. Cornwell, I understand your hostility towards academia. My father shares it, and we haven't spoken since I got a job as an Assistant Professor. But, that's beside the point. This is an email list about internet research, and I hope we can keep the conversation there. Best wishes, ~Jenny Stromer-Galley
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Dr. W. Reid Cornwell Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:05 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] Dear Dr. Aristotle
Dr. Socrates P. Aristotle Provost Stellar University
Dear Dr. Aristotle,
I am applying for a position at your University. I believe that over the years I have acquired some knowledge that could be useful to your students. I would like the opportunity to teach and share this with them.
Let me tell you about myself.
I dropped out of formal education at 13. I took an apprenticeship in a local book bindery where I took the opportunity to read most of the books in our shop.
After 7 years I applied for a position as a lab technician for a notable scientist. I was rejected. I attended one of his lectures and took notes. I then sent those to him and was hired.
I served this scientist for many years and on occasion acted as his valet. Although he was condescending and haughty, I learned from him. I might add that during my association with him I was able to do some of my own investigations and was lucky enough to discover some basic principles in electro-magnetism.
My work has been received well, but I have not had the opportunity to formally teach.
Which brings me to the original purpose of this communication, you have advertised a position teaching in the Physics department. I believe I can do this with distinction. May I have an interview?
Regards,
Michael Faraday
PS I have several publications. Please feel free to review them.
_______________________________________________
Could this person get hired in any University in the United States?
________________________________
Dr. W. Reid Cornwell The Center For Internet Research P.O. Box 6369 Breckenridge, CO
720.212.0719 (phone) 970.485.5109 (mobile) wrc@tcfir.org http://tcfir.org
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Please take it off-list, Reid. thank you! --elijah On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, Dr. W. Reid Cornwell wrote:
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:10:45 -0600 From: Dr. W. Reid Cornwell <wrc@tcfir.org> Reply-To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org, wrc@tcfir.org To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Dear Dr. Aristotle
I presume from your comment that you know what the Internet is. You see I don't. I'll tell you what I do know that justifies this thread.
1. I didn't start it. 2. Monster Board, Jobs.com, Yahoo Employment, Google Employment, Intratech (my old company) more...... have changed the way Human Resources and candidates find each other. ( an relatively unstudied phenomena) 3. I know that your University has its own web based employment practice 4. I know that screening software would almost certainly rule out Michael Faraday. 5. I know that recruiting websites, book selling and pornography are the most commercially successful categories on the Internet.
I also know that you have no idea what I think about Academia. I know that it could stand considerably more criticism than I have offered. I know that the posting of Jeremy's is from a highly respected source with whom I agree.
I consider your comments an unjustified flaming that underscores my earlier criticism about exclusionary attitudes that undercut cross-disciplinarity.
Hope you and your father work it out. He may have a Point! Actually, I think he may have a lot of company among the common folk.
I have this mental picture of Niles, Frazier (sp), and their father.
Reid
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Stromer-Galley Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:31 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Dear Dr. Aristotle
I just wish to point out that this new thread is entirely off the topic of discussion concerning the Internet, which is the global topic of this email list (at least the last time I checked).
Dr. Cornwell, I understand your hostility towards academia. My father shares it, and we haven't spoken since I got a job as an Assistant Professor. But, that's beside the point. This is an email list about internet research, and I hope we can keep the conversation there.
Best wishes, ~Jenny Stromer-Galley
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Dr. W. Reid Cornwell Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:05 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] Dear Dr. Aristotle
Dr. Socrates P. Aristotle Provost Stellar University
Dear Dr. Aristotle,
I am applying for a position at your University. I believe that over the years I have acquired some knowledge that could be useful to your students. I would like the opportunity to teach and share this with them.
Let me tell you about myself.
I dropped out of formal education at 13. I took an apprenticeship in a local book bindery where I took the opportunity to read most of the books in our shop.
After 7 years I applied for a position as a lab technician for a notable scientist. I was rejected. I attended one of his lectures and took notes. I then sent those to him and was hired.
I served this scientist for many years and on occasion acted as his valet. Although he was condescending and haughty, I learned from him. I might add that during my association with him I was able to do some of my own investigations and was lucky enough to discover some basic principles in electro-magnetism.
My work has been received well, but I have not had the opportunity to formally teach.
Which brings me to the original purpose of this communication, you have advertised a position teaching in the Physics department. I believe I can do this with distinction. May I have an interview?
Regards,
Michael Faraday
PS I have several publications. Please feel free to review them.
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Could this person get hired in any University in the United States?
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Dr. W. Reid Cornwell The Center For Internet Research P.O. Box 6369 Breckenridge, CO
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Darren Purcell -
Dr. Steve Eskow -
Dr. W. Reid Cornwell -
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Heidelberg, Chris -
Jennifer Stromer-Galley