1. It's sad when the person criticizing the Writers Guild has grammatical trouble herself. 2. The logic is even sadder. As I understand it, she is saying the writers are not morally obligated to a reasonable share because they didn't back a tangentially related law 10 years ago. By the same logic, only workers who voted for Bill Clinton should be entitled to union protection. YMMV Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________ S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Room 418 Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-7162 Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php Elvis wouldn't be singing "Return to Sender" these days _______________________________________________________________________
While, I do agree with Barry on the entitlements issue and find the strike to be fully justifiable, to be honest i doubt it is going to be successful. There are currently many Web writers who do not happen to be memebers of the Writers Guild. Chances are they will be prepared to work for little money just to "put their foot in" and get published. Unfortunately, the perception of the Web writing as non-commercial still appears to be very strong in the writers' community. Hopefully, this will turn around one day (and the strike may make this day come sooner rather than later). On 1/4/08, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
1. It's sad when the person criticizing the Writers Guild has grammatical trouble herself.
2. The logic is even sadder. As I understand it, she is saying the writers
are not morally obligated to a reasonable share because they didn't back a tangentially related law 10 years ago. By the same logic, only workers who voted for Bill Clinton should be entitled to union protection.
YMMV Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________
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On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Michael Baron wrote: ::Unfortunately, the perception ::of the Web writing as non-commercial still appears to be very strong in the ::writers' community. Hm, that's an interesting thought. Honestly, in my personal experience (and I'm sure someone could jump in here with a more "scientific" resource), the perception of the Web as requiring lesser skills than the real world is pervasive in *many* fields. How many web designers have I met who lament the expectation that a professional looking web site can be had for $500? How many coders expected to crank out a custom, business web app for $30 an hour when a custom OS software package would go for $100? How many academic bloggers who aren't doing "real" publishing? Perhaps the low barrier for entry to the web creates a level of cognitive dissonance for people? "If my kid can make a web site, why would I pay you to do it?" I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is somewhere at the root of the writers' issues. -Alexis
I need to know more of where this thought comes from... On 3-Jan-08, at 5:07 PM, Michael Baron wrote:
There are currently many Web writers who do not happen to be memebers of the Writers Guild.
There are now two sets of web writers professional web writers and others who are not WGA union members this seems to be the rest of us who like me may belong to other unions but where does that leave the level playing field of web writing? Where does that leave all of the blogger.com and geocities web services? Where does writing for wikipedia fit in? Where does the HTML authors guild fit?
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