I've learned a lot from the Facebook discussion about how "matches" are made,* but mostly it has been deduction, conjecture and anecdote. *****Does anybody have any really reliable, verifiable evidence about how Facebook matches are actually made? *And reinforced my own reasons for not on FBook, altho I am on Twitter. Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________ S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php _______________________________________________________________________
Isn't that a little like asking for Google's algorithm? Would they let out data like that? Hmmm, I wonder. On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Barry Wellman wrote:
I've learned a lot from the Facebook discussion about how "matches" are made,* but mostly it has been deduction, conjecture and anecdote.
*****Does anybody have any really reliable, verifiable evidence about how Facebook matches are actually made?
*And reinforced my own reasons for not on FBook, altho I am on Twitter.
Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________
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hi Barry, I've been wondering about this too, but I think the very first response (as I remember it) is the simplest, and must be correct for both logical and empirical reasons. The original poster had made his/her mailbox visible to facebook, and facebook got his contacts just for the purpose of suggesting friends. To prove it for yourself, follow these steps (i have done it): create a new email account, with either completely fake information, or partly correct and partly fake information. use this email account to create a new facebook account. fill the facebook account with as much or as little correct information you like, as long as you don't allow it to make connections to other FB accounts that you specify. I can do this, and find an "empty" facebook page, with (apparently) no idea about how to connect this "new person" to anybody at all. if facebook were doing any kind of background magic, it would be based on IPs and cookies and so forth that would override this attempt to create a false, "shell" identity. it doesn't. a second, correlative proof: some people have both personal and professional facebook accounts, for legitimate reasons (mostly people who use facebook as a promotional tool for their books, movies, etc., as well as a personal one for their "real" friends that is largely private). If you have ever done this--and thus possibly used information that is related to but not identical with your "real" persona--you find that account only with the logical information it can derive from whatever email account you give it. furthermore, if you have done this, when you go to "facebook affiliates," eg yelp, yiou get to choose which of your facebook accounts to link to that site--IF you notice the optional nature of the link--but I, at least, have never found information bleeding through from my personal account to my "professional" one, and this would absolutely happen if they were using serious algorithmic methods to work this out (which is not to say they won't--but i don't think they have). the magic is that there is no magic algorithm. i'll stand corrected, but i feel certain this is correct. this makes it all the more worrisome, to me, that such things look like magic. that means what people like the n $ a, g00gl3, and our other friends, is SO far beyond the capacity of most people to imagine, that it is completely beyond democratic control. the same is true of biotech. we have got to find a way to undo this. and not by forcing everyone to learn electrical or bio-engineering. dg in the hole On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca>wrote:
I've learned a lot from the Facebook discussion about how "matches" are made,* but mostly it has been deduction, conjecture and anecdote.
*****Does anybody have any really reliable, verifiable evidence about how Facebook matches are actually made?
*And reinforced my own reasons for not on FBook, altho I am on Twitter.
Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________
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I found it surprising that some ACM authors used facebook's own search features in their study. See these papers Cliff Lampe & Nicole Ellison & Charles Steinfield. A face(book) in the crowd: social Searching vs. social browsing in Computer Supported Cooperative Work Proceedings of the 2006 20th anniversary conference on Computer supported cooperative work (New York, N.Y.: ACM, 2006) at 167 - 170. .A familiar face(book): profile elements as signals in an online social network in Conference on Human Factors in Computing Systems Proceedings of the SIGCHI conference on Human factors in computing systems (New York, N.Y.: ACM, 2007) at 435 - 444. Peter Timusk at571@ncf.ca ptimusk@sympatico.ca web: www.crystalcomputing.net blogs www.cyborgcitizen.org -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Barry Wellman Sent: September-26-10 6:29 PM To: aoir list Subject: [Air-L] facebook evidence? I've learned a lot from the Facebook discussion about how "matches" are made,* but mostly it has been deduction, conjecture and anecdote. *****Does anybody have any really reliable, verifiable evidence about how Facebook matches are actually made? *And reinforced my own reasons for not on FBook, altho I am on Twitter. Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________ S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php _______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
Sorry this paper is relevant as well Ralph Gross & Alessandro Acquisti & H. John Heinz, III. Information revelation and privacy in online social networks in Workshop On Privacy In The Electronic Society Proceedings of the 2005 ACM workshop on Privacy in the electronic society (New York, N.Y.: ACM, 2005) at 71-80. Peter Timusk at571@ncf.ca ptimusk@sympatico.ca web: www.crystalcomputing.net blogs www.cyborgcitizen.org -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Peter Timusk Sent: September-26-10 11:51 PM To: 'Barry Wellman'; 'aoir list' Subject: Re: [Air-L] facebook evidence? I found it surprising that some ACM authors used facebook's own search features in their study. See these papers Cliff Lampe & Nicole Ellison & Charles Steinfield. A face(book) in the crowd: social Searching vs. social browsing in Computer Supported Cooperative Work Proceedings of the 2006 20th anniversary conference on Computer supported cooperative work (New York, N.Y.: ACM, 2006) at 167 - 170. .A familiar face(book): profile elements as signals in an online social network in Conference on Human Factors in Computing Systems Proceedings of the SIGCHI conference on Human factors in computing systems (New York, N.Y.: ACM, 2007) at 435 - 444. Peter Timusk at571@ncf.ca ptimusk@sympatico.ca web: www.crystalcomputing.net blogs www.cyborgcitizen.org -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Barry Wellman Sent: September-26-10 6:29 PM To: aoir list Subject: [Air-L] facebook evidence? I've learned a lot from the Facebook discussion about how "matches" are made,* but mostly it has been deduction, conjecture and anecdote. *****Does anybody have any really reliable, verifiable evidence about how Facebook matches are actually made? *And reinforced my own reasons for not on FBook, altho I am on Twitter. Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________ S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php _______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
Hi, I think that the response is in some algorithm based on Social Network Analisys (SNA). It seems easy if you think in 6 degrees distance between anybody. Mashing the ego-networs of your friends you can find people who probably are "nearly" of you (in "social distance") Josep Vives Twitter @josepvives @ josep.vives@gmail.com // jvives@cibersociedad.net // josep.vives@exo.cat www "Openbits: Free & Open bits" -> www.josepvives.cat // www.josepvives.wordpress.com Xarxes es.linkedin.com/in/josepvives // facebook.com/Openbits http://www.cibersociedad.net/cdc/perfilpublic.php?usr=963 Social Bookmark http://www.delicious.com/josep.vives 2010/9/27 Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca>:
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