Hi All, I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on tracking Memes. Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look at how it has spread and been shared on different social media? I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through social media. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Tanis Grandison
http://www.memetracker.org/ On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 10:34 AM Tanis Grandison <tanis.grandison@me.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on tracking Memes. Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look at how it has spread and been shared on different social media?
I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through social media.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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A couple of years ago IARPA (https://www.iarpa.gov/) opened up a thread exploring the use of open source indicators (OSIs) for prediction and forecasting of unknown potential future events and threats. OSIs are basically text and keywords. In reaching out to the IARPA organizer of the discussion, links were requested to papers on the topic. The link below was his response. Note that this IARPA thread came shortly after the so-called 'Arab Spring.' Thus, the papers reflect thinking of that vintage. D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Tanis Grandison <tanis.grandison@me.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on tracking Memes. Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look at how it has spread and been shared on different social media?
I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through social media.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Once you fall into Newspeak, like “meme,” you have already sacrificed your rationality on the altar of market fundamentalism: http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html Margaret-thatcher: "And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families" in an interview in Women's Own in 1987 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes “Meme” is the same idea expressed by a zoologist, who is out of his depth in social science. He continues to be a fanatical opponent of group selection, when it comes to genes. As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science. dss
On 8 Jun 2017, at 15:05, Thomas Ball <xtc283@gmail.com> wrote:
A couple of years ago IARPA (https://www.iarpa.gov/) opened up a thread exploring the use of open source indicators (OSIs) for prediction and forecasting of unknown potential future events and threats. OSIs are basically text and keywords. In reaching out to the IARPA organizer of the discussion, links were requested to papers on the topic. The link below was his response. Note that this IARPA thread came shortly after the so-called 'Arab Spring.' Thus, the papers reflect thinking of that vintage.
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar
<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Tanis Grandison <tanis.grandison@me.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on tracking Memes. Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look at how it has spread and been shared on different social media?
I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through social media.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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"As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science." Well, memes are not important only if you have never set foot on the internet in the last 10 years. They are all talking about internet memes which have almost nothing in commong with biology-derived memes. Those blog entries are from 2010 which in Internet years counts as 100 years of evolution. so http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd Cheers, Giorgia Castellano M.A. Hamburg University Erasmus Mundus in Journalism, Media and Globalisation 2017-06-10 21:06 GMT+02:00 David Stodolsky <dss@secureid.net>:
Once you fall into Newspeak, like “meme,” you have already sacrificed your rationality on the altar of market fundamentalism:
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html
Margaret-thatcher: "And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families" in an interview in Women's Own in 1987 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes
“Meme” is the same idea expressed by a zoologist, who is out of his depth in social science. He continues to be a fanatical opponent of group selection, when it comes to genes.
As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science.
dss
On 8 Jun 2017, at 15:05, Thomas Ball <xtc283@gmail.com> wrote:
A couple of years ago IARPA (https://www.iarpa.gov/) opened up a thread exploring the use of open source indicators (OSIs) for prediction and forecasting of unknown potential future events and threats. OSIs are basically text and keywords. In reaching out to the IARPA organizer of the discussion, links were requested to papers on the topic. The link below was his response. Note that this IARPA thread came shortly after the so-called 'Arab Spring.' Thus, the papers reflect thinking of that vintage.
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+ D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar
<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+ D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Tanis Grandison <tanis.grandison@me.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on tracking Memes. Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look at how it has spread and been shared on different social media?
I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through social media.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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On 10 Jun 2017, at 21:15, Giorgia Castellano <giorgia.castellano@gmail.com> wrote:
"As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science."
Well, memes are not important only if you have never set foot on the internet in the last 10 years. They are all talking about internet memes which have almost nothing in commong with biology-derived memes. Those blog entries are from 2010 which in Internet years counts as 100 years of evolution.
so http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd>
There are no “biology-derived memes” and there are no “memes”. The concept is nonsense constructed for ideological reasons from whole cloth by Dawkins. Please read the links before you respond, unless you wish to confirm you have no wish to understand the topic of discussion. Discussion here is supposed to support science. If someone posted they wished to study the effect of angels on Internet posting frequency, few would consider it a valid input. When you use the term “meme” unquoted, you are promoting religion, not science. dss
Cheers,
Giorgia Castellano M.A. Hamburg University Erasmus Mundus in Journalism, Media and Globalisation
2017-06-10 21:06 GMT+02:00 David Stodolsky <dss@secureid.net <mailto:dss@secureid.net>>: Once you fall into Newspeak, like “meme,” you have already sacrificed your rationality on the altar of market fundamentalism:
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html>
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html>
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html>
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html>
Margaret-thatcher: "And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families" in an interview in Women's Own in 1987 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes>
“Meme” is the same idea expressed by a zoologist, who is out of his depth in social science. He continues to be a fanatical opponent of group selection, when it comes to genes.
As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science.
dss
On 8 Jun 2017, at 15:05, Thomas Ball <xtc283@gmail.com <mailto:xtc283@gmail.com>> wrote:
A couple of years ago IARPA (https://www.iarpa.gov/ <https://www.iarpa.gov/>) opened up a thread exploring the use of open source indicators (OSIs) for prediction and forecasting of unknown potential future events and threats. OSIs are basically text and keywords. In reaching out to the IARPA organizer of the discussion, links were requested to papers on the topic. The link below was his response. Note that this IARPA thread came shortly after the so-called 'Arab Spring.' Thus, the papers reflect thinking of that vintage.
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>>
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar
<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>>
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Tanis Grandison <tanis.grandison@me.com <mailto:tanis.grandison@me.com>> wrote:
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on tracking Memes. Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look at how it has spread and been shared on different social media?
I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through social media.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Internet memes borrow their name from Dawkins' invented term, but really are a quite different thing. In the 2014 book Memes in Digital Culture, published by MIT Press, Limor Shifman discusses the problematic history of the term and specifically defines Internet memes as a separate phenomenon rooted in participatory media culture. Between Shifman's work and others', there is published scholarship to support the use of the term "meme" to refer to the Internet practice without necessarily subscribing to Dawkins' concept. As was mentioned in this thread, those of us who study Internet memes ultimately use the term "memes" because that is the term the people who make them use. On Jun 10, 2017 1:30 PM, "David Stodolsky" <dss@secureid.net> wrote:
On 10 Jun 2017, at 21:15, Giorgia Castellano <giorgia.castellano@gmail.com> wrote:
"As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science."
Well, memes are not important only if you have never set foot on the internet in the last 10 years. They are all talking about internet memes which have almost nothing in commong with biology-derived memes. Those blog entries are from 2010 which in Internet years counts as 100 years of evolution.
so http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd>
There are no “biology-derived memes” and there are no “memes”. The concept is nonsense constructed for ideological reasons from whole cloth by Dawkins. Please read the links before you respond, unless you wish to confirm you have no wish to understand the topic of discussion. Discussion here is supposed to support science. If someone posted they wished to study the effect of angels on Internet posting frequency, few would consider it a valid input. When you use the term “meme” unquoted, you are promoting religion, not science. dss
Cheers,
Giorgia Castellano M.A. Hamburg University Erasmus Mundus in Journalism, Media and Globalisation
2017-06-10 21:06 GMT+02:00 David Stodolsky <dss@secureid.net <mailto: dss@secureid.net>>: Once you fall into Newspeak, like “meme,” you have already sacrificed your rationality on the altar of market fundamentalism:
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html < http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html>
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html>
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html < http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html>
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html < http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html>
Margaret-thatcher: "And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families" in an interview in Women's Own in 1987 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes>
“Meme” is the same idea expressed by a zoologist, who is out of his depth in social science. He continues to be a fanatical opponent of group selection, when it comes to genes.
As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science.
dss
On 8 Jun 2017, at 15:05, Thomas Ball <xtc283@gmail.com <mailto: xtc283@gmail.com>> wrote:
A couple of years ago IARPA (https://www.iarpa.gov/ < https://www.iarpa.gov/>) opened up a thread exploring the use of open source indicators (OSIs) for prediction and forecasting of unknown potential future events and threats. OSIs are basically text and keywords. In reaching out to the IARPA organizer of the discussion, links were requested to papers on the topic. The link below was his response. Note that this IARPA thread came shortly after the so-called 'Arab Spring.' Thus, the papers reflect thinking of that vintage.
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+ D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/ scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>>
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar
<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+ D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/ scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>>
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Tanis Grandison <tanis.grandison@me.com <mailto:tanis.grandison@me.com>> wrote:
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on tracking Memes. Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look at how it has spread and been shared on different social media?
I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through social media.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic> In anthropology <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology>, folkloristics <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkloristics>, and the social <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_sciences> and behavioral sciences <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sciences>, emic and etic refer to two kinds of field research <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_research> done and viewpoints obtained:[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic#cite_note-1> emic, from within the social group <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_group> (from the perspective of the subject) and etic, from outside (from the perspective of the observer).
On 10 Jun 2017, at 22:22, Heidi Huntington <huntington.heidi@gmail.com> wrote:
Internet memes borrow their name from Dawkins' invented term, but really are a quite different thing.
If so, then using the same term is bad methodology. I would place it in the same category as “alternative facts”. New age religion claims to be science. Unless someone can show that the term is needed, then its use is merely an attempt to propagandize for Dawkin's religion. dss
In the 2014 book Memes in Digital Culture, published by MIT Press, Limor Shifman discusses the problematic history of the term and specifically defines Internet memes as a separate phenomenon rooted in participatory media culture. Between Shifman's work and others', there is published scholarship to support the use of the term "meme" to refer to the Internet practice without necessarily subscribing to Dawkins' concept.
As was mentioned in this thread, those of us who study Internet memes ultimately use the term "memes" because that is the term the people who make them use.
On Jun 10, 2017 1:30 PM, "David Stodolsky" <dss@secureid.net <mailto:dss@secureid.net>> wrote:
On 10 Jun 2017, at 21:15, Giorgia Castellano <giorgia.castellano@gmail.com <mailto:giorgia.castellano@gmail.com>> wrote:
"As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science."
Well, memes are not important only if you have never set foot on the internet in the last 10 years. They are all talking about internet memes which have almost nothing in commong with biology-derived memes. Those blog entries are from 2010 which in Internet years counts as 100 years of evolution.
so http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd> <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd>>
There are no “biology-derived memes” and there are no “memes”. The concept is nonsense constructed for ideological reasons from whole cloth by Dawkins. Please read the links before you respond, unless you wish to confirm you have no wish to understand the topic of discussion.
Discussion here is supposed to support science. If someone posted they wished to study the effect of angels on Internet posting frequency, few would consider it a valid input. When you use the term “meme” unquoted, you are promoting religion, not science.
dss
Cheers,
Giorgia Castellano M.A. Hamburg University Erasmus Mundus in Journalism, Media and Globalisation
2017-06-10 21:06 GMT+02:00 David Stodolsky <dss@secureid.net <mailto:dss@secureid.net> <mailto:dss@secureid.net <mailto:dss@secureid.net>>>: Once you fall into Newspeak, like “meme,” you have already sacrificed your rationality on the altar of market fundamentalism:
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html> <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html>>
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html> <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html>>
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html> <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html>>
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html> <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html>>
Margaret-thatcher: "And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families" in an interview in Women's Own in 1987 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes> <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes>>
“Meme” is the same idea expressed by a zoologist, who is out of his depth in social science. He continues to be a fanatical opponent of group selection, when it comes to genes.
As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science.
dss
On 8 Jun 2017, at 15:05, Thomas Ball <xtc283@gmail.com <mailto:xtc283@gmail.com> <mailto:xtc283@gmail.com <mailto:xtc283@gmail.com>>> wrote:
A couple of years ago IARPA (https://www.iarpa.gov/ <https://www.iarpa.gov/> <https://www.iarpa.gov/ <https://www.iarpa.gov/>>) opened up a thread exploring the use of open source indicators (OSIs) for prediction and forecasting of unknown potential future events and threats. OSIs are basically text and keywords. In reaching out to the IARPA organizer of the discussion, links were requested to papers on the topic. The link below was his response. Note that this IARPA thread came shortly after the so-called 'Arab Spring.' Thus, the papers reflect thinking of that vintage.
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>>>
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar
<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>>>
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Tanis Grandison <tanis.grandison@me.com <mailto:tanis.grandison@me.com> <mailto:tanis.grandison@me.com <mailto:tanis.grandison@me.com>>> wrote:
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on tracking Memes. Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look at how it has spread and been shared on different social media?
I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through social media.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Is it possible we're speaking past each other here? David is establishing that Richard Dawkin's concept of the "meme" has been completely debunked. It is also true that hundreds of millions of people use the word meme to describe certain kinds of online activity in a way that has largely separated from Dawkin's concept but still bears traces of it, as with the use of the word "viral" in the context of memes. At this point, it seems to me that it would be irresponsible for scholars to refer to Dawkins' concept as if it were sociologically sound, but also disingenuous for us to come up with a neologism to describe the *popular* understanding of pictures of cats with silly captions and short looping videos as the same kind of thing. I find the cultural use of the term is fascinating. I'm personally fond of this flowchart, which regularly gets shared as (pop cultural) meme in response to Dawkin's latest Islamophonic tirade:
This helpful message illustrates some of the difficulties I have been describing: : the image suggests one should not pay attention to anything outside of evolutionary biology that comes from Dawkins. However, the image is described as a “meme,” which is not an evolutionary biology contribution from Dawkins. : it fails to correctly label the object of discussion. Flowchart is the correct description. : the term used, “meme,” attempts to explain the spread of an image by and through a population, but there is no reference to people. We are led to believe that the spread is somehow inherent in the image. Studies of rumor propagation show that population density, etc. are critical to a rumor spreading or dying out. Similarly, studies of the spread of innovation show it is highly dependent upon the ability of firms to absorb new knowledge. : it promotes the name of a hypocritical racist religious fanatic So, if you think self-contradictory, imprecise, invalid language in the service of fanatical individualism is desirable, you should use the term “meme’. dss
On 10 Jun 2017, at 23:27, Tof Eklund <tof.eklund@aut.ac.nz> wrote:
I'm personally fond of this flowchart, which regularly gets shared as (pop cultural) meme in response to Dawkin's latest Islamophonic tirade:
David Stodolsky, PhD Institute for Social Informatics Tornskadestien 2, st. th., DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark dss@socialinformatics.org Skype/Twitter: davidstodolsky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic> In anthropology <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology>, folkloristics <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkloristics>, and the social <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_sciences> and behavioral sciences <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sciences>, emic and etic refer to two kinds of field research <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_research> done and viewpoints obtained:[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic#cite_note-1> emic, from within the social group <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_group> (from the perspective of the subject) and etic, from outside (from the perspective of the observer).
On 10 Jun 2017, at 22:22, Heidi Huntington <huntington.heidi@gmail.com <mailto:huntington.heidi@gmail.com>> wrote:
Internet memes borrow their name from Dawkins' invented term, but really are a quite different thing.
If so, then using the same term is bad methodology. I would place it in the same category as “alternative facts”. New age religion claims to be science. Unless someone can show that the term is needed, then its use is merely an attempt to propagandize for Dawkin's religion. dss
In the 2014 book Memes in Digital Culture, published by MIT Press, Limor Shifman discusses the problematic history of the term and specifically defines Internet memes as a separate phenomenon rooted in participatory media culture. Between Shifman's work and others', there is published scholarship to support the use of the term "meme" to refer to the Internet practice without necessarily subscribing to Dawkins' concept.
As was mentioned in this thread, those of us who study Internet memes ultimately use the term "memes" because that is the term the people who make them use.
On Jun 10, 2017 1:30 PM, "David Stodolsky" <dss@secureid.net <mailto:dss@secureid.net>> wrote:
On 10 Jun 2017, at 21:15, Giorgia Castellano <giorgia.castellano@gmail.com <mailto:giorgia.castellano@gmail.com>> wrote:
"As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science."
Well, memes are not important only if you have never set foot on the internet in the last 10 years. They are all talking about internet memes which have almost nothing in commong with biology-derived memes. Those blog entries are from 2010 which in Internet years counts as 100 years of evolution.
so http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd> <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd>>
There are no “biology-derived memes” and there are no “memes”. The concept is nonsense constructed for ideological reasons from whole cloth by Dawkins. Please read the links before you respond, unless you wish to confirm you have no wish to understand the topic of discussion.
Discussion here is supposed to support science. If someone posted they wished to study the effect of angels on Internet posting frequency, few would consider it a valid input. When you use the term “meme” unquoted, you are promoting religion, not science.
dss
Cheers,
Giorgia Castellano M.A. Hamburg University Erasmus Mundus in Journalism, Media and Globalisation
2017-06-10 21:06 GMT+02:00 David Stodolsky <dss@secureid.net <mailto:dss@secureid.net> <mailto:dss@secureid.net <mailto:dss@secureid.net>>>: Once you fall into Newspeak, like “meme,” you have already sacrificed your rationality on the altar of market fundamentalism:
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html> <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html>>
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html> <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html>>
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html> <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html>>
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html> <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html>>
Margaret-thatcher: "And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families" in an interview in Women's Own in 1987 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes> <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes>>
“Meme” is the same idea expressed by a zoologist, who is out of his depth in social science. He continues to be a fanatical opponent of group selection, when it comes to genes.
As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science.
dss
On 8 Jun 2017, at 15:05, Thomas Ball <xtc283@gmail.com <mailto:xtc283@gmail.com> <mailto:xtc283@gmail.com <mailto:xtc283@gmail.com>>> wrote:
A couple of years ago IARPA (https://www.iarpa.gov/ <https://www.iarpa.gov/> <https://www.iarpa.gov/ <https://www.iarpa.gov/>>) opened up a thread exploring the use of open source indicators (OSIs) for prediction and forecasting of unknown potential future events and threats. OSIs are basically text and keywords. In reaching out to the IARPA organizer of the discussion, links were requested to papers on the topic. The link below was his response. Note that this IARPA thread came shortly after the so-called 'Arab Spring.' Thus, the papers reflect thinking of that vintage.
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>>>
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar
<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>>>
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Tanis Grandison <tanis.grandison@me.com <mailto:tanis.grandison@me.com> <mailto:tanis.grandison@me.com <mailto:tanis.grandison@me.com>>> wrote:
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on tracking Memes. Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look at how it has spread and been shared on different social media?
I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through social media.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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*Going Viral* by Jeff Hemsley and Karine Nahon On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 12:50 PM, David Stodolsky <dss@secureid.net> wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic <https://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Emic_and_etic>
In anthropology <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology>, folkloristics <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkloristics>, and the social <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_sciences> and behavioral sciences <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sciences>, emic and etic refer to two kinds of field research <https://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Field_research> done and viewpoints obtained:[1] < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic#cite_note-1> emic, from within the social group <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_group> (from the perspective of the subject) and etic, from outside (from the perspective of the observer).
On 10 Jun 2017, at 22:22, Heidi Huntington <huntington.heidi@gmail.com <mailto:huntington.heidi@gmail.com>> wrote:
Internet memes borrow their name from Dawkins' invented term, but really are a quite different thing.
If so, then using the same term is bad methodology. I would place it in the same category as “alternative facts”.
New age religion claims to be science. Unless someone can show that the term is needed, then its use is merely an attempt to propagandize for Dawkin's religion.
dss
In the 2014 book Memes in Digital Culture, published by MIT Press, Limor
Shifman discusses the problematic history of the term and specifically defines Internet memes as a separate phenomenon rooted in participatory media culture. Between Shifman's work and others', there is published scholarship to support the use of the term "meme" to refer to the Internet practice without necessarily subscribing to Dawkins' concept.
As was mentioned in this thread, those of us who study Internet memes
ultimately use the term "memes" because that is the term the people who make them use.
On Jun 10, 2017 1:30 PM, "David Stodolsky" <dss@secureid.net <mailto:
dss@secureid.net>> wrote:
On 10 Jun 2017, at 21:15, Giorgia Castellano <
giorgia.castellano@gmail.com <mailto:giorgia.castellano@gmail.com>> wrote:
"As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long
history of study in social science."
Well, memes are not important only if you have never set foot on the
internet in the last 10 years. They are all talking about internet memes which have almost nothing in commong with biology-derived memes. Those blog entries are from 2010 which in Internet years counts as 100 years of evolution.
so http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd>
<http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd>>
There are no “biology-derived memes” and there are no “memes”. The concept is nonsense constructed for ideological reasons from whole cloth by Dawkins. Please read the links before you respond, unless you wish to confirm you have no wish to understand the topic of discussion.
Discussion here is supposed to support science. If someone posted they wished to study the effect of angels on Internet posting frequency, few would consider it a valid input. When you use the term “meme” unquoted, you are promoting religion, not science.
dss
Cheers,
Giorgia Castellano M.A. Hamburg University Erasmus Mundus in Journalism, Media and Globalisation
2017-06-10 21:06 GMT+02:00 David Stodolsky <dss@secureid.net <mailto: dss@secureid.net> <mailto:dss@secureid.net <mailto:dss@secureid.net>>>: Once you fall into Newspeak, like “meme,” you have already sacrificed your rationality on the altar of market fundamentalism:
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html < http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html> < http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html < http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html>>
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes- and-darwinian.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/ 2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html> < http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html < http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html> < http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html < http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html>>
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene- dawkins-has.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene- dawkins-has.html> <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/ 2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/ 2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html>>
Margaret-thatcher: "And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families" in an interview in Women's Own in 1987 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret- thatcher-quotes <https://www.theguardian.com/ politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes> < https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes
“Meme” is the same idea expressed by a zoologist, who is out of his depth in social science. He continues to be a fanatical opponent of group selection, when it comes to genes.
As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science.
dss
On 8 Jun 2017, at 15:05, Thomas Ball <xtc283@gmail.com <mailto: xtc283@gmail.com> <mailto:xtc283@gmail.com <mailto:xtc283@gmail.com>>> wrote:
A couple of years ago IARPA (https://www.iarpa.gov/ < https://www.iarpa.gov/> <https://www.iarpa.gov/ <https://www.iarpa.gov/>>) opened up a thread exploring the use of open source indicators (OSIs) for prediction and forecasting of unknown potential future events and threats. OSIs are basically text and keywords. In reaching out to the IARPA organizer of the discussion, links were requested to papers on the topic. The link below was his response. Note that this IARPA thread came shortly after the so-called 'Arab Spring.' Thus, the papers reflect thinking of that vintage.
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+ D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/ scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> < https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+ D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/ scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>>>
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar
<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+ D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/ scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> < https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+ D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/ scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>>>
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Tanis Grandison < tanis.grandison@me.com <mailto:tanis.grandison@me.com> <mailto: tanis.grandison@me.com <mailto:tanis.grandison@me.com>>> wrote:
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on tracking Memes. Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look at how it has spread and been shared on different social media?
I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through social media.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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I am not a meme scholar, but I think there is quite a bit of validity in taking seriously what people do on the Internet, as well as how they describe their own activities. One of those things they do is traffic in something they refer to as "memes." Perhaps all of those people who refer to those objects as "memes" are out of their depths in their understanding of social science, and yet they continue to make, share, and take meaning from these things called "memes." I have no advice for meme tracking, but I do have advice for studying them: do so, because they are part of human activity that matters, whether the word is right or wrong. See: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=1&oiu=http%3... - Rob Gehl On 06/10/2017 01:06 PM, David Stodolsky wrote:
Once you fall into Newspeak, like “meme,” you have already sacrificed your rationality on the altar of market fundamentalism:
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html
Margaret-thatcher: "And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families" in an interview in Women's Own in 1987 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes
“Meme” is the same idea expressed by a zoologist, who is out of his depth in social science. He continues to be a fanatical opponent of group selection, when it comes to genes.
As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science.
dss
On 8 Jun 2017, at 15:05, Thomas Ball <xtc283@gmail.com> wrote:
A couple of years ago IARPA (https://www.iarpa.gov/) opened up a thread exploring the use of open source indicators (OSIs) for prediction and forecasting of unknown potential future events and threats. OSIs are basically text and keywords. In reaching out to the IARPA organizer of the discussion, links were requested to papers on the topic. The link below was his response. Note that this IARPA thread came shortly after the so-called 'Arab Spring.' Thus, the papers reflect thinking of that vintage.
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar
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On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Tanis Grandison <tanis.grandison@me.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on tracking Memes. Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look at how it has spread and been shared on different social media?
I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through social media.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3572/3685762238_8843196b53.jpg On 11/6/17, 5:21 am, "Air-L on behalf of Robert W Gehl" <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org on behalf of lists@robertwgehl.org> wrote: I am not a meme scholar, but I think there is quite a bit of validity in taking seriously what people do on the Internet, as well as how they describe their own activities. One of those things they do is traffic in something they refer to as "memes." Perhaps all of those people who refer to those objects as "memes" are out of their depths in their understanding of social science, and yet they continue to make, share, and take meaning from these things called "memes." I have no advice for meme tracking, but I do have advice for studying them: do so, because they are part of human activity that matters, whether the word is right or wrong. See: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=1&oiu=http%3... - Rob Gehl On 06/10/2017 01:06 PM, David Stodolsky wrote: > Once you fall into Newspeak, like “meme,” you have already sacrificed your rationality on the altar of market fundamentalism: > > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html > > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html > > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html > > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html > > > Margaret-thatcher: "And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families" in an interview in Women's Own in 1987 > https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes > > “Meme” is the same idea expressed by a zoologist, who is out of his depth in social science. > He continues to be a fanatical opponent of group selection, when it comes to genes. > > > As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. > Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science. > > > dss > >> On 8 Jun 2017, at 15:05, Thomas Ball <xtc283@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> A couple of years ago IARPA (https://www.iarpa.gov/) opened up a thread >> exploring the use of open source indicators (OSIs) for prediction and >> forecasting of unknown potential future events and threats. OSIs are >> basically text and keywords. In reaching out to the IARPA organizer of the >> discussion, links were requested to papers on the topic. The link below was >> his response. Note that this IARPA thread came shortly after the so-called >> 'Arab Spring.' Thus, the papers reflect thinking of that vintage. >> >> D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar >> <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> >> >> >> D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar >> >> >> >> <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> >> >> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Tanis Grandison <tanis.grandison@me.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on >>> tracking Memes. >>> Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look >>> at how it has spread and been shared on different social media? >>> >>> I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant >>> events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through >>> social media. >>> >>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> Tanis Grandison >>> _______________________________________________ >>> The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list >>> is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org >>> Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/ >>> listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org >>> >>> Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >>> http://www.aoir.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list >> is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org >> Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org >> >> Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >> http://www.aoir.org/ > > David Stodolsky, PhD Institute for Social Informatics > Tornskadestien 2, st. th., DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark > dss@socialinformatics.org Skype/Twitter: davidstodolsky > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list > is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org > Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > > Join the Association of Internet Researchers: > http://www.aoir.org/ > _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
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On 11/6/17, 5:21 am, "Air-L on behalf of Robert W Gehl" < air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org on behalf of lists@robertwgehl.org> wrote:
I am not a meme scholar, but I think there is quite a bit of validity in taking seriously what people do on the Internet, as well as how they describe their own activities. One of those things they do is traffic in something they refer to as "memes." Perhaps all of those people who refer to those objects as "memes" are out of their depths in their understanding of social science, and yet they continue to make, share, and take meaning from these things called "memes." I have no advice for meme tracking, but I do have advice for studying them: do so, because they are part of human activity that matters, whether the word is right or wrong.
See: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=english& rais=1&oiu=http%3A%2F%2F68.media.tumblr.com%2F654ddf051c94d4c099a3a9664100 6159%2Ftumblr_optspwxfiH1vntq6no1_1280.png&sp= 7268cc951930ae53482a81dbdbbd07f1
- Rob Gehl
On 06/10/2017 01:06 PM, David Stodolsky wrote: > Once you fall into Newspeak, like “meme,” you have already sacrificed your rationality on the altar of market fundamentalism: > > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html > > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes- and-darwinian.html > > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html > > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene- dawkins-has.html > > > Margaret-thatcher: "And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families" in an interview in Women's Own in 1987 > https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret- thatcher-quotes > > “Meme” is the same idea expressed by a zoologist, who is out of his depth in social science. > He continues to be a fanatical opponent of group selection, when it comes to genes. > > > As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. > Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science. > > > dss > >> On 8 Jun 2017, at 15:05, Thomas Ball <xtc283@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> A couple of years ago IARPA (https://www.iarpa.gov/) opened up a thread >> exploring the use of open source indicators (OSIs) for prediction and >> forecasting of unknown potential future events and threats. OSIs are >> basically text and keywords. In reaching out to the IARPA organizer of the >> discussion, links were requested to papers on the topic. The link below was >> his response. Note that this IARPA thread came shortly after the so-called >> 'Arab Spring.' Thus, the papers reflect thinking of that vintage. >> >> D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar >> <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+ D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> >> >> >> D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar >> >> >> >> <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+ D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> >> >> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Tanis Grandison < tanis.grandison@me.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on >>> tracking Memes. >>> Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look >>> at how it has spread and been shared on different social media? >>> >>> I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant >>> events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through >>> social media. >>> >>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> Tanis Grandison >>> _______________________________________________ >>> The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list >>> is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org >>> Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/ >>> listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org >>> >>> Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >>> http://www.aoir.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list >> is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org >> Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org >> >> Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >> http://www.aoir.org/ > > David Stodolsky, PhD Institute for Social Informatics > Tornskadestien 2, st. th., DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark > dss@socialinformatics.org Skype/Twitter: davidstodolsky > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list > is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org > Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > > Join the Association of Internet Researchers: > http://www.aoir.org/ > _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/ listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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One of those things they do is traffic in something they refer to as "memes." Perhaps all of those people who refer to those objects as "memes" are out of their depths in their understanding of social science, and yet they continue to make, share, and take meaning from these things called "memes." I have no advice for meme tracking, but I do have advice for studying them: do so, because they are part of human activity that matters, whether the word is right or wrong. See: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=english& rais=1&oiu=http%3A%2F%2F68.media.tumblr.com%2F654ddf051c94d4c099a3a9664100 6159%2Ftumblr_optspwxfiH1vntq6no1_1280.png&sp= 7268cc951930ae53482a81dbdbbd07f1 - Rob Gehl On 06/10/2017 01:06 PM, David Stodolsky wrote: Once you fall into Newspeak, like “meme,” you have already sacrificed your rationality on the altar of market fundamentalism: http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes- and-darwinian.html http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene- dawkins-has.html Margaret-thatcher: "And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families" in an interview in Women's Own in 1987 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret- thatcher-quotes “Meme” is the same idea expressed by a zoologist, who is out of his depth in social science. He continues to be a fanatical opponent of group selection, when it comes to genes. As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science. dss On 8 Jun 2017, at 15:05, Thomas Ball <xtc283@gmail.com> wrote: A couple of years ago IARPA (https://www.iarpa.gov/) opened up a thread exploring the use of open source indicators (OSIs) for prediction and forecasting of unknown potential future events and threats. OSIs are basically text and keywords. In reaching out to the IARPA organizer of the discussion, links were requested to papers on the topic. The link below was his response. Note that this IARPA thread came shortly after the so-called 'Arab Spring.' Thus, the papers reflect thinking of that vintage. D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+ D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+ D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Tanis Grandison < tanis.grandison@me.com wrote: Hi All, I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on tracking Memes. Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look at how it has spread and been shared on different social media? I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through social media. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Tanis Grandison _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/ listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ David Stodolsky, PhD Institute for Social Informatics Tornskadestien 2, st. th., DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark dss@socialinformatics.org Skype/Twitter: davidstodolsky _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/ listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/ listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
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On 12 Jun 2017, 08:13 +0100, Alexander Halavais <alex@halavais.net>, wrote:
https://www.wordnik.com/img/humptydumpty.png
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On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Jean Burgess <je.burgess@qut.edu.au> wrote:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3572/3685762238_8843196b53.jpg
On 11/6/17, 5:21 am, "Air-L on behalf of Robert W Gehl" < air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org on behalf of lists@robertwgehl.org> wrote:
I am not a meme scholar, but I think there is quite a bit of validity in taking seriously what people do on the Internet, as well as how they describe their own activities. One of those things they do is traffic in something they refer to as "memes." Perhaps all of those people who refer to those objects as "memes" are out of their depths in their understanding of social science, and yet they continue to make, share, and take meaning from these things called "memes." I have no advice for meme tracking, but I do have advice for studying them: do so, because they are part of human activity that matters, whether the word is right or wrong.
See: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=english& rais=1&oiu=http%3A%2F%2F68.media.tumblr.com%2F654ddf051c94d4c099a3a9664100 6159%2Ftumblr_optspwxfiH1vntq6no1_1280.png&sp= 7268cc951930ae53482a81dbdbbd07f1
- Rob Gehl
On 06/10/2017 01:06 PM, David Stodolsky wrote:
Once you fall into Newspeak, like “meme,” you have already
sacrificed your rationality on the altar of market fundamentalism:
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-
and-darwinian.html
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html
http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-
dawkins-has.html
Margaret-thatcher: "And, you know, there's no such thing as society.
There are individual men and women and there are families" in an interview in Women's Own in 1987
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-
thatcher-quotes
“Meme” is the same idea expressed by a zoologist, who is out of his
depth in social science.
He continues to be a fanatical opponent of group selection, when it
comes to genes.
As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity. Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long
history of study in social science.
dss
On 8 Jun 2017, at 15:05, Thomas Ball <xtc283@gmail.com> wrote:
A couple of years ago IARPA (https://www.iarpa.gov/) opened up a
thread
exploring the use of open source indicators (OSIs) for prediction
and
forecasting of unknown potential future events and threats. OSIs are basically text and keywords. In reaching out to the IARPA organizer
of the
discussion, links were requested to papers on the topic. The link
below was
his response. Note that this IARPA thread came shortly after the
so-called
'Arab Spring.' Thus, the papers reflect thinking of that vintage.
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+
D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347
D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar
<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+
D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Tanis Grandison <
tanis.grandison@me.com
wrote:
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful
reading ) on
tracking Memes. Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme
and look
at how it has spread and been shared on different social media?
I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at
significant
events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed
through
social media.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Hopefully this can help, it's more of a Meme Wikipedia. It's my favorite source for meme history and has graphs that show popularity, etc. http://knowyourmeme.com On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 3:33 AM, Tanis Grandison <tanis.grandison@me.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on tracking Memes. Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look at how it has spread and been shared on different social media?
I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through social media.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Tanis Grandison _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/ listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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Thanks everyone for your input! Really appreciate it. Best, Tanis
On 8 Jun 2017, at 20:49, Selene Y Arrazolo <selene@utexas.edu> wrote:
Hopefully this can help, it's more of a Meme Wikipedia. It's my favorite source for meme history and has graphs that show popularity, etc. http://knowyourmeme.com
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 3:33 AM, Tanis Grandison <tanis.grandison@me.com> wrote: Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on tracking Memes. Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look at how it has spread and been shared on different social media?
I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through social media.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Tanis Grandison _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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Heidi Huntington -
Jean Burgess -
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Selene Y Arrazolo -
Stuart Shulman -
Tanis Grandison -
Thomas Ball -
Tof Eklund -
Unger, Johann