ARPANET resurrection update and possible significances?
Hi AoIRists, As I mentioned in an earlier note to Morten Bay, there is an active project to recreate the ARPANET from ca. 1972. You can see the update here: <https://obsolescence.dev/arpanet_home> Including the chance to log in yourself to one of the now 35 working nodes. One of the documents referenced here is titled SCENARIOS for using the ARPANET at the INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON COMPUTER COMMUNICATION, Washington, D.C., October 24-26, 1972 and is in fact reproduced in the pages giving further instructions on logging in - along with 2026 scenarios that might also be fun to play with. One of the available programs from the MIT.AI node is: == DOCTOR is a LISP program written by Joseph Weizenbaum and described in "ELIZA - A Computer Program For the Study of Natural Language Communication Between Man And Machine" in the Communications of the ACM, January 1966. DOCTOR simulates a psychiatric interview with a Rogerian psychotherapist. == (I'll come back to this below.) I know that ARPANET is central to the work of e.g.,Janet Abbate's early history, _Inventing the Internet_ (1999). But what I'm asking here, especially of historians who know these domains far better than I: 1) how far did these early exchanges, so far as they could be followed and/or documented - and/or, as at least some study of primary aims, practices, affordances, etc. might have been possible - enter into early research on CMC? 2) Might this reconstruction project, insofar as it grants access to "the rest of us," be of possible use / interest for historical / current research on CMC and its descendants? E.g., I know a great deal has been written about ELIZA - but, to my knowledge at least, not with direct access to the working program itself. I suspect the working program would give researchers a chance to not only become much more familiar with how the program works and "behaves," but also to try out hypotheses as to how different sorts of engagements, expectations, etc. might be dis/confirmed through actually using it? In any case, to quote the welcome message from the first terminal I tried: Happy Hacking! - charles
Thanks Charles for sharing all this. It reminded me of Licklider & Taylor's seminal paper: https://internetat50.com/references/Licklider_Taylor_The-Computer-As-A-Commu... Fondly, Peter [image: email graphic] <http://www.wiu.edu/> *Peter Joseph Gloviczki, Ph.D.*Professor School of Communication and Media Western Illinois University 1 University Circle, Macomb, IL 61455 Schedule a meeting via Calendly: https://calendly.com/pj-gloviczki/30min On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 4:52 AM Charles Melvin Ess via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi AoIRists,
As I mentioned in an earlier note to Morten Bay, there is an active project to recreate the ARPANET from ca. 1972. You can see the update here:
<https://obsolescence.dev/arpanet_home>
Including the chance to log in yourself to one of the now 35 working nodes.
One of the documents referenced here is titled
SCENARIOS for using the ARPANET at the INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON COMPUTER COMMUNICATION, Washington, D.C., October 24-26, 1972
and is in fact reproduced in the pages giving further instructions on logging in - along with 2026 scenarios that might also be fun to play with.
One of the available programs from the MIT.AI node is: == DOCTOR is a LISP program written by Joseph Weizenbaum and described in "ELIZA - A Computer Program For the Study of Natural Language Communication Between Man And Machine" in the Communications of the ACM, January 1966. DOCTOR simulates a psychiatric interview with a Rogerian psychotherapist. == (I'll come back to this below.)
I know that ARPANET is central to the work of e.g.,Janet Abbate's early history, _Inventing the Internet_ (1999). But what I'm asking here, especially of historians who know these domains far better than I: 1) how far did these early exchanges, so far as they could be followed and/or documented - and/or, as at least some study of primary aims, practices, affordances, etc. might have been possible - enter into early research on CMC? 2) Might this reconstruction project, insofar as it grants access to "the rest of us," be of possible use / interest for historical / current research on CMC and its descendants? E.g., I know a great deal has been written about ELIZA - but, to my knowledge at least, not with direct access to the working program itself. I suspect the working program would give researchers a chance to not only become much more familiar with how the program works and "behaves," but also to try out hypotheses as to how different sorts of engagements, expectations, etc. might be dis/confirmed through actually using it?
In any case, to quote the welcome message from the first terminal I tried: Happy Hacking!
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ELIZA has been "reconstructed" for some time now, see here: https://sites.google.com/view/elizaarchaeology/home On Sun, 26 Apr 2026, 18:31 Peter Gloviczki via Air-L, < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Thanks Charles for sharing all this.
It reminded me of Licklider & Taylor's seminal paper: https://internetat50.com/references/Licklider_Taylor_The-Computer-As-A-Commu...
Fondly, Peter [image: email graphic] <http://www.wiu.edu/> *Peter Joseph Gloviczki, Ph.D.*Professor School of Communication and Media Western Illinois University 1 University Circle, Macomb, IL 61455 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1+University+Circle,+Macomb,+IL+61455?entry=gmail&source=g> Schedule a meeting via Calendly: https://calendly.com/pj-gloviczki/30min
On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 4:52 AM Charles Melvin Ess via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi AoIRists,
As I mentioned in an earlier note to Morten Bay, there is an active project to recreate the ARPANET from ca. 1972. You can see the update here:
<https://obsolescence.dev/arpanet_home>
Including the chance to log in yourself to one of the now 35 working nodes.
One of the documents referenced here is titled
SCENARIOS for using the ARPANET at the INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON COMPUTER COMMUNICATION, Washington, D.C., October 24-26, 1972
and is in fact reproduced in the pages giving further instructions on logging in - along with 2026 scenarios that might also be fun to play with.
One of the available programs from the MIT.AI node is: == DOCTOR is a LISP program written by Joseph Weizenbaum and described in "ELIZA - A Computer Program For the Study of Natural Language Communication Between Man And Machine" in the Communications of the ACM, January 1966. DOCTOR simulates a psychiatric interview with a Rogerian psychotherapist. == (I'll come back to this below.)
I know that ARPANET is central to the work of e.g.,Janet Abbate's early history, _Inventing the Internet_ (1999). But what I'm asking here, especially of historians who know these domains far better than I: 1) how far did these early exchanges, so far as they could be followed and/or documented - and/or, as at least some study of primary aims, practices, affordances, etc. might have been possible - enter into early research on CMC? 2) Might this reconstruction project, insofar as it grants access to "the rest of us," be of possible use / interest for historical / current research on CMC and its descendants? E.g., I know a great deal has been written about ELIZA - but, to my knowledge at least, not with direct access to the working program itself. I suspect the working program would give researchers a chance to not only become much more familiar with how the program works and "behaves," but also to try out hypotheses as to how different sorts of engagements, expectations, etc. might be dis/confirmed through actually using it?
In any case, to quote the welcome message from the first terminal I tried: Happy Hacking!
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Hello I just read the idea of packets was invented by a British mathematician and brought to ARPANET by a coworker at a conference. Donald Davies (UK): Proposed a national commercial data network and introduced the term "packet". On Sun, Apr 26, 2026, 7:41 p.m. Jacob Johanssen via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
ELIZA has been "reconstructed" for some time now, see here: https://sites.google.com/view/elizaarchaeology/home
On Sun, 26 Apr 2026, 18:31 Peter Gloviczki via Air-L, < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Thanks Charles for sharing all this.
It reminded me of Licklider & Taylor's seminal paper: https://internetat50.com/references/Licklider_Taylor_The-Computer-As-A-Commu...
Fondly, Peter [image: email graphic] <http://www.wiu.edu/> *Peter Joseph Gloviczki, Ph.D.*Professor School of Communication and Media Western Illinois University 1 University Circle, Macomb, IL 61455 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1+University+Circle,+Macomb,+IL+61455?entry=gmail&source=g> Schedule a meeting via Calendly: https://calendly.com/pj-gloviczki/30min
On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 4:52 AM Charles Melvin Ess via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi AoIRists,
As I mentioned in an earlier note to Morten Bay, there is an active project to recreate the ARPANET from ca. 1972. You can see the update here:
<https://obsolescence.dev/arpanet_home>
Including the chance to log in yourself to one of the now 35 working nodes.
One of the documents referenced here is titled
SCENARIOS for using the ARPANET at the INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON COMPUTER COMMUNICATION, Washington, D.C., October 24-26, 1972
and is in fact reproduced in the pages giving further instructions on logging in - along with 2026 scenarios that might also be fun to play with.
One of the available programs from the MIT.AI node is: == DOCTOR is a LISP program written by Joseph Weizenbaum and described in "ELIZA - A Computer Program For the Study of Natural Language Communication Between Man And Machine" in the Communications of the ACM, January 1966. DOCTOR simulates a psychiatric interview with a Rogerian psychotherapist. == (I'll come back to this below.)
I know that ARPANET is central to the work of e.g.,Janet Abbate's early history, _Inventing the Internet_ (1999). But what I'm asking here, especially of historians who know these domains far better than I: 1) how far did these early exchanges, so far as they could be followed and/or documented - and/or, as at least some study of primary aims, practices, affordances, etc. might have been possible - enter into early research on CMC? 2) Might this reconstruction project, insofar as it grants access to "the rest of us," be of possible use / interest for historical / current research on CMC and its descendants? E.g., I know a great deal has been written about ELIZA - but, to my knowledge at least, not with direct access to the working program itself. I suspect the working program would give researchers a chance to not only become much more familiar with how the program works and "behaves," but also to try out hypotheses as to how different sorts of engagements, expectations, etc. might be dis/confirmed through actually using it?
In any case, to quote the welcome message from the first terminal I tried: Happy Hacking!
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Hi Peter, The invention of packet switching has been a hotly debated question for more than a quarter of a century now. I published some research<https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/24701475.2018.1544726> on this a few years ago, but there's a small contingent of Brits who want to claim this invention as British and are ignoring the scholarship that says otherwise (not just my work, but the work of most actual Internet historians), so I always feel a need to set the record straight. The fact is that not even Donald Davies claimed that he invented packet switching. Paul Baran of the RAND Corporation was the first to come up with the idea of splitting up data blocks, providing a mechanism for them to navigate the network in a distributed fashion, and then reassembling them at their destination. He called it "Hot Potato Routing", and the purpose of it was to avoid congestion and increase speed. This happened in the 1960-1961 timeframe, when Baran was working on a computer network design for the U.S. Air Force at RAND. After handing over the design to the Air Force (who insisted on building the network without RAND, subsequently failed and then shelved the project), Baran took the non-classified parts of the Air Force briefing and published them in 1962. Eventually, he assembled all of his network studies in a single publication in 1964. Davies - independently of Baran - came up with a similar idea in 1965, and presented it to colleagues at NPL that year. At the presentation, a military person with knowledge of Baran's work came up to him and informed him that the idea had already been around for 4-5 years. Davies then contacted Baran to learn more. In their discussions, they found that Davies' name for the principle - "packet switching" - was much better than "Hot Potato Routing", and so from then on, Baran adopted that term too. While all of this was happening, Leonard Kleinrock was a doctoral student at MIT working on data block/message queuing in computer systems. In the 1961-1962 period, he also came up with (and published) the idea of adjusting the size of data blocks and later re-appending them post-routing to avoid congestion and increase speed. As Baran once told me in an interview<https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/24701475.2017.1345469>, ideas like packet switching emerge and "become ripe" in research and whoever is the first to "invent" something is almost beside the point. Packet switching as an idea came up in at least three people's heads totally independent of each other within a 5-year period. It's what happened next that gets people all worked up. Once Davies had consulted with Baran, NPL began actually implementing packet switching in a machine. The Brits claim that packet networking (and therefore, the early Internet) began in early 1969 when NPL and Davies' team built the first machine that could use the packet switching principle. The problem is that it was a "one-node network", essentially a star network, or a server with a number of terminals. It was therefore not really a big network innovation at all, since, at this point, similarly structured systems had been in place as time-sharing systems in the U.S. since 1961 - almost a decade earlier. The difference, of course, is that time-sharing systems share resources on the same computer, while the Mark I "network" at NPL had a computer as a connection hub. But I have never been able to find any evidence that NPL was able to connect different computers to that hub, only terminals and computers of the same make and model - which essentially makes it a local server network, not a computer network. Getting computers of different makes and models to communicate using packet switching was the main contribution of the ARPANET and is what paved the way for the Internet. The Brits claim they achieved this a few months before the ARPANET team, but I still have yet to see evidence of it - given the homogeniety of the machines connected to the NPL Mark I hub. Additionally: In 1966, Larry Roberts was hired by the aforementioned Bob Taylor at ARPA/IPTO to design the ARPANET and get it built. He began work on this in early 1967, leaning on a number of experts, not least his old friend and MIT classmate Leonard Kleinrock. By October 1967, almost everything was in place, Roberts just couldn't figure out how to avoid congestion and get the ARPANET to be fast enough to actually be useful. Roberts presented the plans for the ARPANET, including the congestion/speed challenge at a conference in Tennessee October 4-5 1967. Representatives from Davies' team at NPL were also there to present their one-node packet network findings. They told Roberts about Baran's work and Roberts then went back to D.C. and looked through Baran's publications. Just four days after the end of that conference, an ARPANET design meeting was held where they agreed to explore Baran's packet switching principle. Notably, Davies' work is not mentioned in the minutes from that meeting. Roberts asked Kleinrock and Elmer Shapiro to get in touch with Baran to explore this further, and there is documentation of them meeting and working on how packet switching could be implemented in the ARPANET. Based on his own work and his and Shapiro's conversations with Baran, Kleinrock convinced Roberts that it would work. This is how packet switching ended up being the main routing principle in the RFQ that went out to the industry in 1968, a bidding round that was eventually won by Bolt, Beranek and Newman (whose team would end up contributing even more to the actual implementation of packet switching in the ARPANET.) The first router (or IMP) was delivered to Kleinrock's lab in September 1969, another was delivered a few days later to SRI in Palo Alto, and on October 29, 1969 the two were connected for the first time. The rest is...well, you know. So, Davies did not invent packet switching (other than the name) himself, and he never made that claim. He DID claim to have created the first packet switched network, and his team continues to claim this, even though, as far as I can see, they never connected different computers. Furthermore, Davies spent the last years of his life arguing that Kleinrock did not have a claim to the invention of packet switching, going as far as writing an article about it to be published posthumously. But when you look more closely at what was actually implemented in the ARPANET, it was a lot closer to Baran's and Kleinrock's packetization ideas than Davies'. And Kleinrock is, importantly, the intellectual bridge between Baran and the ARPANET design team, and the one who ensured that packet switching became the basis for the ARPANET when nobody believed that it was even possible to do. So, nobody "invented" packet switching, really. It came about as direct and indirect collaborations between three people who came up with the idea independently within a few years of each other. Incidentally, using flip-flop relays (now transistors) in computers was an idea that similarly appeared, independently, in the heads of George Stibitz, Vincent Atanasoff, and Konrad Zuse around the same timeframe of 1937-1938. Maybe one day we'll find out how our brains work in this regard, but I just find it fascinating. - Morten Morten Bay, Ph.D. Lecturer Research fellow, Center for the Digital Future Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism University of Southern California On Apr 26, 2026 at 6:20 PM -0700, Peter Timusk via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org>, wrote: Hello I just read the idea of packets was invented by a British mathematician and brought to ARPANET by a coworker at a conference. Donald Davies (UK): Proposed a national commercial data network and introduced the term "packet". On Hello I just read the idea of packets was invented by a British mathematician and brought to ARPANET by a coworker at a conference. Donald Davies (UK): Proposed a national commercial data network and introduced the term "packet". On Sun, Apr 26, 2026, 7:41 p.m. Jacob Johanssen via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote: ELIZA has been "reconstructed" for some time now, see here: https://sites.google.com/view/elizaarchaeology/home<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://sites.google.com/view/elizaarchaeology/home__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!pZnuIKRAVP4o6tuMvSM3qjkTSOV8hBin3jDwWFj6oyP5eQtRzj1OauVGnCG07W8DbY8QKsLTjDUCdZYdXA$> On Sun, 26 Apr 2026, 18:31 Peter Gloviczki via Air-L, <air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote: Thanks Charles for sharing all this. It reminded me of Licklider & Taylor's seminal paper: https://internetat50.com/references/Licklider_Taylor_The-Computer-As-A-Communications-Device.pdf<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://internetat50.com/references/Licklider_Taylor_The-Computer-As-A-Communications-Device.pdf__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!pZnuIKRAVP4o6tuMvSM3qjkTSOV8hBin3jDwWFj6oyP5eQtRzj1OauVGnCG07W8DbY8QKsLTjDXfBs7Jdg$> Fondly, Peter [email graphic]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.wiu.edu/__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!pZnuIKRAVP4o6tuMvSM3qjkTSOV8hBin3jDwWFj6oyP5eQtRzj1OauVGnCG07W8DbY8QKsLTjDWw1zSpuQ$> Peter Joseph Gloviczki, Ph.D. Professor School of Communication and Media Western Illinois University 1 University Circle, Macomb, IL 61455<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.google.com/maps/search/1*University*Circle,*Macomb,*IL*61455?entry=gmail&source=g__;KysrKys!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!pZnuIKRAVP4o6tuMvSM3qjkTSOV8hBin3jDwWFj6oyP5eQtRzj1OauVGnCG07W8DbY8QKsLTjDXQ7F_Mmw$> Schedule a meeting via Calendly: https://calendly.com/pj-gloviczki/30min<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://calendly.com/pj-gloviczki/30min__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!pZnuIKRAVP4o6tuMvSM3qjkTSOV8hBin3jDwWFj6oyP5eQtRzj1OauVGnCG07W8DbY8QKsLTjDUdkXSl8Q$> On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 4:52 AM Charles Melvin Ess via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote: Hi AoIRists, As I mentioned in an earlier note to Morten Bay, there is an active project to recreate the ARPANET from ca. 1972. You can see the update here: <https://obsolescence.dev/arpanet_home<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://obsolescence.dev/arpanet_home__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!pZnuIKRAVP4o6tuMvSM3qjkTSOV8hBin3jDwWFj6oyP5eQtRzj1OauVGnCG07W8DbY8QKsLTjDV2xslVbg$>> Including the chance to log in yourself to one of the now 35 working nodes. One of the documents referenced here is titled SCENARIOS for using the ARPANET at the INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON COMPUTER COMMUNICATION, Washington, D.C., October 24-26, 1972 and is in fact reproduced in the pages giving further instructions on logging in - along with 2026 scenarios that might also be fun to play with. One of the available programs from the MIT.AI<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://MIT.AI__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!pZnuIKRAVP4o6tuMvSM3qjkTSOV8hBin3jDwWFj6oyP5eQtRzj1OauVGnCG07W8DbY8QKsLTjDV8Ojm1lg$> node is: == DOCTOR is a LISP program written by Joseph Weizenbaum and described in "ELIZA - A Computer Program For the Study of Natural Language Communication Between Man And Machine" in the Communications of the ACM, January 1966. DOCTOR simulates a psychiatric interview with a Rogerian psychotherapist. == (I'll come back to this below.) I know that ARPANET is central to the work of e.g.,Janet Abbate's early history, _Inventing the Internet_ (1999). But what I'm asking here, especially of historians who know these domains far better than I: 1) how far did these early exchanges, so far as they could be followed and/or documented - and/or, as at least some study of primary aims, practices, affordances, etc. might have been possible - enter into early research on CMC? 2) Might this reconstruction project, insofar as it grants access to "the rest of us," be of possible use / interest for historical / current research on CMC and its descendants? E.g., I know a great deal has been written about ELIZA - but, to my knowledge at least, not with direct access to the working program itself. I suspect the working program would give researchers a chance to not only become much more familiar with how the program works and "behaves," but also to try out hypotheses as to how different sorts of engagements, expectations, etc. might be dis/confirmed through actually using it? 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Thanks so much for this review of history. On Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 12:43 PM Morten Bay <mortench@usc.edu> wrote:
Hi Peter,
The invention of packet switching has been a hotly debated question for more than a quarter of a century now. I published some research <https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/24701475.2018.1544726> on this a few years ago, but there's a small contingent of Brits who want to claim this invention as British and are ignoring the scholarship that says otherwise (not just my work, but the work of most actual Internet historians), so I always feel a need to set the record straight.
The fact is that not even Donald Davies claimed that he invented packet switching. Paul Baran of the RAND Corporation was the first to come up with the idea of splitting up data blocks, providing a mechanism for them to navigate the network in a distributed fashion, and then reassembling them at their destination. He called it "Hot Potato Routing", and the purpose of it was to avoid congestion and increase speed.
This happened in the 1960-1961 timeframe, when Baran was working on a computer network design for the U.S. Air Force at RAND. After handing over the design to the Air Force (who insisted on building the network without RAND, subsequently failed and then shelved the project), Baran took the non-classified parts of the Air Force briefing and published them in 1962. Eventually, he assembled all of his network studies in a single publication in 1964.
Davies - independently of Baran - came up with a similar idea in 1965, and presented it to colleagues at NPL that year. At the presentation, a military person with knowledge of Baran's work came up to him and informed him that the idea had already been around for 4-5 years. Davies then contacted Baran to learn more. In their discussions, they found that Davies' name for the principle - "packet switching" - was much better than "Hot Potato Routing", and so from then on, Baran adopted that term too.
While all of this was happening, Leonard Kleinrock was a doctoral student at MIT working on data block/message queuing in computer systems. In the 1961-1962 period, he *also* came up with (and published) the idea of adjusting the size of data blocks and later re-appending them post-routing to avoid congestion and increase speed.
As Baran once told me in an interview <https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/24701475.2017.1345469>, ideas like packet switching emerge and "become ripe" in research and whoever is the first to "invent" something is almost beside the point. Packet switching as an idea came up in at least three people's heads totally independent of each other within a 5-year period.
It's what happened next that gets people all worked up. Once Davies had consulted with Baran, NPL began actually implementing packet switching in a machine. The Brits claim that packet networking (and therefore, the early Internet) began in early 1969 when NPL and Davies' team built the first machine that could use the packet switching principle.
The problem is that it was a "one-node network", essentially a star network, or a server with a number of terminals. It was therefore not really a big network innovation at all, since, at this point, similarly structured systems had been in place as time-sharing systems in the U.S. since 1961 - almost a decade earlier. The difference, of course, is that time-sharing systems share resources on the same computer, while the Mark I "network" at NPL had a computer as a connection hub. But I have never been able to find any evidence that NPL was able to connect *different* computers to that hub, only terminals and computers of the same make and model - which essentially makes it a local server network, not a computer network.
Getting computers of *different makes and models* to communicate using packet switching was the main contribution of the ARPANET and is what paved the way for the Internet. The Brits claim they achieved this a few months before the ARPANET team, but I still have yet to see evidence of it - given the homogeniety of the machines connected to the NPL Mark I hub.
Additionally: In 1966, Larry Roberts was hired by the aforementioned Bob Taylor at ARPA/IPTO to design the ARPANET and get it built. He began work on this in early 1967, leaning on a number of experts, not least his old friend and MIT classmate Leonard Kleinrock. By October 1967, almost everything was in place, Roberts just couldn't figure out how to avoid congestion and get the ARPANET to be fast enough to actually be useful.
Roberts presented the plans for the ARPANET, including the congestion/speed challenge at a conference in Tennessee October 4-5 1967. Representatives from Davies' team at NPL were also there to present their one-node packet network findings. They told Roberts about Baran's work and Roberts then went back to D.C. and looked through Baran's publications.
Just four days after the end of that conference, an ARPANET design meeting was held where they agreed to explore Baran's packet switching principle. Notably, Davies' work is not mentioned in the minutes from that meeting.
Roberts asked Kleinrock and Elmer Shapiro to get in touch with Baran to explore this further, and there is documentation of them meeting and working on how packet switching could be implemented in the ARPANET. Based on his own work and his and Shapiro's conversations with Baran, Kleinrock convinced Roberts that it would work.
This is how packet switching ended up being the main routing principle in the RFQ that went out to the industry in 1968, a bidding round that was eventually won by Bolt, Beranek and Newman (whose team would end up contributing even more to the actual implementation of packet switching in the ARPANET.) The first router (or IMP) was delivered to Kleinrock's lab in September 1969, another was delivered a few days later to SRI in Palo Alto, and on October 29, 1969 the two were connected for the first time. The rest is...well, you know.
So, Davies did not invent packet switching (other than the name) himself, and he never made that claim. He DID claim to have created the first packet switched network, and his team continues to claim this, even though, as far as I can see, they never connected different computers.
Furthermore, Davies spent the last years of his life arguing that Kleinrock did not have a claim to the invention of packet switching, going as far as writing an article about it to be published posthumously. But when you look more closely at what was actually implemented in the ARPANET, it was a lot closer to Baran's and Kleinrock's packetization ideas than Davies'.
And Kleinrock is, importantly, the intellectual bridge between Baran and the ARPANET design team, and the one who ensured that packet switching became the basis for the ARPANET when nobody believed that it was even possible to do.
So, nobody "invented" packet switching, really. It came about as direct and indirect collaborations between three people who came up with the idea independently within a few years of each other.
Incidentally, using flip-flop relays (now transistors) in computers was an idea that similarly appeared, independently, in the heads of George Stibitz, Vincent Atanasoff, and Konrad Zuse around the same timeframe of 1937-1938.
Maybe one day we'll find out how our brains work in this regard, but I just find it fascinating.
- Morten
Morten Bay, Ph.D. Lecturer Research fellow, Center for the Digital Future Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism University of Southern California On Apr 26, 2026 at 6:20 PM -0700, Peter Timusk via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org>, wrote:
Hello I just read the idea of packets was invented by a British mathematician and brought to ARPANET by a coworker at a conference. Donald Davies (UK): Proposed a national commercial data network and introduced the term "packet". On Hello I just read the idea of packets was invented by a British mathematician and brought to ARPANET by a coworker at a conference. Donald Davies (UK): Proposed a national commercial data network and introduced the term "packet".
On Sun, Apr 26, 2026, 7:41 p.m. Jacob Johanssen via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
ELIZA has been "reconstructed" for some time now, see here: https://sites.google.com/view/elizaarchaeology/home <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://sites.google.com/view/elizaarchaeology/home__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!pZnuIKRAVP4o6tuMvSM3qjkTSOV8hBin3jDwWFj6oyP5eQtRzj1OauVGnCG07W8DbY8QKsLTjDUCdZYdXA$>
On Sun, 26 Apr 2026, 18:31 Peter Gloviczki via Air-L, < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Thanks Charles for sharing all this.
It reminded me of Licklider & Taylor's seminal paper: https://internetat50.com/references/Licklider_Taylor_The-Computer-As-A-Commu... <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://internetat50.com/references/Licklider_Taylor_The-Computer-As-A-Communications-Device.pdf__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!pZnuIKRAVP4o6tuMvSM3qjkTSOV8hBin3jDwWFj6oyP5eQtRzj1OauVGnCG07W8DbY8QKsLTjDXfBs7Jdg$>
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On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 4:52 AM Charles Melvin Ess via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi AoIRists,
As I mentioned in an earlier note to Morten Bay, there is an active project to recreate the ARPANET from ca. 1972. You can see the update here:
<https://obsolescence.dev/arpanet_home <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://obsolescence.dev/arpanet_home__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!pZnuIKRAVP4o6tuMvSM3qjkTSOV8hBin3jDwWFj6oyP5eQtRzj1OauVGnCG07W8DbY8QKsLTjDV2xslVbg$>
Including the chance to log in yourself to one of the now 35 working nodes.
One of the documents referenced here is titled
SCENARIOS for using the ARPANET at the INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON COMPUTER COMMUNICATION, Washington, D.C., October 24-26, 1972
and is in fact reproduced in the pages giving further instructions on logging in - along with 2026 scenarios that might also be fun to play with.
One of the available programs from the MIT.AI <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://MIT.AI__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!pZnuIKRAVP4o6tuMvSM3qjkTSOV8hBin3jDwWFj6oyP5eQtRzj1OauVGnCG07W8DbY8QKsLTjDV8Ojm1lg$> node is: == DOCTOR is a LISP program written by Joseph Weizenbaum and described in "ELIZA - A Computer Program For the Study of Natural Language Communication Between Man And Machine" in the Communications of the ACM, January 1966. DOCTOR simulates a psychiatric interview with a Rogerian psychotherapist. == (I'll come back to this below.)
I know that ARPANET is central to the work of e.g.,Janet Abbate's early history, _Inventing the Internet_ (1999). But what I'm asking here, especially of historians who know these domains far better than I: 1) how far did these early exchanges, so far as they could be followed and/or documented - and/or, as at least some study of primary aims, practices, affordances, etc. might have been possible - enter into early research on CMC? 2) Might this reconstruction project, insofar as it grants access to "the rest of us," be of possible use / interest for historical / current research on CMC and its descendants? E.g., I know a great deal has been written about ELIZA - but, to my knowledge at least, not with direct access to the working program itself. I suspect the working program would give researchers a chance to not only become much more familiar with how the program works and "behaves," but also to try out hypotheses as to how different sorts of engagements, expectations, etc. might be dis/confirmed through actually using it?
In any case, to quote the welcome message from the first terminal I tried: Happy Hacking!
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Hi Peter, many thanks in turn. I'm a huge fan of Licklider and his role with colleagues such as Doug Engelbart in articulating and arguing for what is sometimes referred to as the augmentation emphasis (contra replacement, much less supersession) regarding computing technologies, specifically AI (e.g., J.C.R. Licklider, “Man-Computer Symbiosis,” IRE Transactions on Human Factors in Electronics, 4 (March 1960), 4-11, p.4. doi:10.1109/THFE2.1960.4503259). This builds on the foundational work of Norbert Wiener (who refused to work for the US military after WWII because of the dangers he saw in their efforts to appropriate his cybernetics approaches and early visions of AI - a lesson I wish more people would take on board) and is further developed by the likes of Hubert Dreyfus (1973), Joseph Weizenbaum (1976) and in more recent times, Virginia Dignum (2019) and Katharina Zweig (2019, 2021), for example. But for whatever reason - I never had this paper in my hands - thanks so much! Of course, the open sentence: In a few years, men will be able to communicate more effectively through a machine than face to face. reads a little differently today ... But save that story for another day. Again, many thanks indeed and all best, - c. On 26/04/2026 17:34, Peter Gloviczki wrote:
Thanks Charles for sharing all this.
It reminded me of Licklider & Taylor's seminal paper: https:// internetat50.com/references/Licklider_Taylor_The-Computer-As-A- Communications-Device.pdf <https://internetat50.com/references/ Licklider_Taylor_The-Computer-As-A-Communications-Device.pdf>
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On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 4:52 AM Charles Melvin Ess via Air-L <air- l@listserv.aoir.org <mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote:
Hi AoIRists,
As I mentioned in an earlier note to Morten Bay, there is an active project to recreate the ARPANET from ca. 1972. You can see the update here:
<https://obsolescence.dev/arpanet_home <https://obsolescence.dev/ arpanet_home>>
Including the chance to log in yourself to one of the now 35 working nodes.
One of the documents referenced here is titled
SCENARIOS for using the ARPANET at the INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON COMPUTER COMMUNICATION, Washington, D.C., October 24-26, 1972
and is in fact reproduced in the pages giving further instructions on logging in - along with 2026 scenarios that might also be fun to play with.
One of the available programs from the MIT.AI <http://MIT.AI> node is: == DOCTOR is a LISP program written by Joseph Weizenbaum and described in "ELIZA - A Computer Program For the Study of Natural Language Communication Between Man And Machine" in the Communications of the ACM, January 1966. DOCTOR simulates a psychiatric interview with a Rogerian psychotherapist. == (I'll come back to this below.)
I know that ARPANET is central to the work of e.g.,Janet Abbate's early history, _Inventing the Internet_ (1999). But what I'm asking here, especially of historians who know these domains far better than I: 1) how far did these early exchanges, so far as they could be followed and/or documented - and/or, as at least some study of primary aims, practices, affordances, etc. might have been possible - enter into early research on CMC? 2) Might this reconstruction project, insofar as it grants access to "the rest of us," be of possible use / interest for historical / current research on CMC and its descendants? E.g., I know a great deal has been written about ELIZA - but, to my knowledge at least, not with direct access to the working program itself. I suspect the working program would give researchers a chance to not only become much more familiar with how the program works and "behaves," but also to try out hypotheses as to how different sorts of engagements, expectations, etc. might be dis/confirmed through actually using it?
In any case, to quote the welcome message from the first terminal I tried: Happy Hacking!
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