Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US? I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring. It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago: "Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" https://vimeo.com/129423037 Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020: https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control. -- Dr. Stuart W. Shulman Founder and CEO, Texifter Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics*
Hi Stu - Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years. Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/. I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board. As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition. Stay tuned, I guess... -- rick [1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up. On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" https://vimeo.com/129423037
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
-- Dr. Stuart W. Shulman Founder and CEO, Texifter Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics* _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social. Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
-- Dr. Stuart W. Shulman Founder and CEO, Texifter Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics* _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://aoir.org__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPF... Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir...
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Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!) As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR. - Rob On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
-- Dr. Stuart W. Shulman Founder and CEO, Texifter Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics* _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://aoir.org__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPF... Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir...
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Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too. Be good, Fenwick On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
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Same here! On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:54 PM Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured
on
insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
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Please, count me in as well. -- *Piotr Siuda* (PhD, Professor of Media Studies) piotrsiuda.com Institute of Social Communication and Media Kazimierz Wielki University in Bydgoszcz, Poland *Recent papers:* *--** Darknet imaginaries in Internet memes: the discursive malleability of the cultural status of digital technologies*, *Journal of Computer-Mediated Communication*, https://doi.org/10.0.4.69/jcmc/zmac023 -- *Toward Successful Esports Team: How Does National Diversity Affect Multiplayer Online Battle Arena Video Games*. *Proceedings of the 56th Hawaii International Conference on System Sciences*. *-- **Microtransaction politics in FIFA Ultimate Team: game fans, Twitch streamers, and Electronic Art*, in*: **EA Sports FIFA: Feeling the Game, Bloomsbury Academic Press*. https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/ea-sports-fifa-9781501375347 pon., 24 paź 2022 o 23:02 Will Mari via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> napisał(a):
Same here!
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:54 PM Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most
powerful
regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
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Hi I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk? Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too. Be good, Fenwick On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
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Reminder to get a Twitter archive asap. can take a few days (it includes DMs.) DB *_________________* *Derek E. Baird, M.A.* he/him/his English, German, Vietnamese, Ukrainian and Chinese editions of my book, *The Gen Z Frequency*, are now available <http://amzn.to/2IKyToi>on Amazon and Blinkist <https://www.blinkist.com/en/books/the-gen-z-frequency-en>! On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:40 PM sally--- via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
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I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured
on
insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
-- Dr. Stuart W. Shulman Founder and CEO, Texifter Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics* _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers
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Several people have asked how to get a Twitter archive. It's super easy, here you go: Twitter > Settings > Your account > Download an archive of your data *_________________* *Derek E. Baird, M.A.* he/him/his On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:47 PM Derek Baird <debaird@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminder to get a Twitter archive asap. can take a few days (it includes DMs.)
DB *_________________* *Derek E. Baird, M.A.* he/him/his English, German, Vietnamese, Ukrainian and Chinese editions of my book, *The Gen Z Frequency*, are now available <http://amzn.to/2IKyToi>on Amazon and Blinkist <https://www.blinkist.com/en/books/the-gen-z-frequency-en>!
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:40 PM sally--- via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi
I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured
on
insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
-- Dr. Stuart W. Shulman Founder and CEO, Texifter Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics* _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers
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Thank you! One more question Are there tricks to opening/accessing the archive once its downloaded? On Oct 25, 2022, at 5:55 PM, Derek Baird via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: Several people have asked how to get a Twitter archive. It's super easy, here you go: Twitter > Settings > Your account > Download an archive of your data *_________________* *Derek E. Baird, M.A.* he/him/his On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:47 PM Derek Baird <debaird@gmail.com> wrote: Reminder to get a Twitter archive asap. can take a few days (it includes DMs.) DB *_________________* *Derek E. Baird, M.A.* he/him/his English, German, Vietnamese, Ukrainian and Chinese editions of my book, *The Gen Z Frequency*, are now available <http://amzn.to/2IKyToi>on Amazon and Blinkist <https://www.blinkist.com/en/books/the-gen-z-frequency-en>! On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:40 PM sally--- via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: Hi I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk? Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too. Be good, Fenwick On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!) As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR. - Rob On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote: I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social. Glad to discuss in Dublin. On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: External Email: Use caution with links and attachments. Hi Stu - Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years. Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/. I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board. As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition. Stay tuned, I guess... -- rick [1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up. On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote: Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US? I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring. It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago: "Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1... Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT... Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control. -- Dr. Stuart W. Shulman Founder and CEO, Texifter Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics* _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://aoir.org__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPF... Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir... Join the Association of Internet Researchers: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.aoir.org/__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5... _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://aoir.org__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPF... Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir... 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i would like to be included in whatever mastodon thing is in the offing. I'm over there at oddletters@everything.happens.horse On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 10:06 AM Steph Kent via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Thank you! One more question
Are there tricks to opening/accessing the archive once its downloaded?
On Oct 25, 2022, at 5:55 PM, Derek Baird via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Several people have asked how to get a Twitter archive. It's super easy, here you go:
Twitter > Settings > Your account > Download an archive of your data *_________________* *Derek E. Baird, M.A.* he/him/his
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:47 PM Derek Baird <debaird@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminder to get a Twitter archive asap. can take a few days (it includes
DMs.)
DB
*_________________*
*Derek E. Baird, M.A.*
he/him/his
English, German, Vietnamese, Ukrainian and Chinese editions of my book, *The
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On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:40 PM sally--- via Air-L <
air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi
I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored
server...
________________________________
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Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM
To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org>
Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org>
Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all
I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in
too.
Be good,
Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L <
air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk
site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my
presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance,
open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L <
air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for
Twitter.
I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on
colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and
perhaps
soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags
(hello
#AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog
or
nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I
could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard
given
the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with
you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of
America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist
accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a
good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020,
and
firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our
country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this
political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to
treat
the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of
politics
that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11
thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And
that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than
to
conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will
not
be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime
soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent
years
I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s
that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great
for
individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so
much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function
of
midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning
into
an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view
Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By
contrast, at
least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some
'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it
wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and
elsewhere
posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional
reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on
what
'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the
Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security
concerns
with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be
something
there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but
again,
the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or
less
data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale"
show
up
again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content
moderation?
Is
this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to
happen.
After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am
completely
burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the
tasks. I
still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter
as
the
object of their research. The data has never been more widely
available and
the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also
the
systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of
government
globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501
(c)(6)
called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to
academia
with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of
the
social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired
to
have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision
of
the
challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful
regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured
on
insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent
threat
to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk
governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open
on
Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every
seditious
timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30
like-minded
users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality,
gamification,
domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via
misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all
manner
and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian
election
of
2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today
and
Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which
ultimately
was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I
briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint
Chiefs,
JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer
Assessment
using
open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much
worse,
not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early
February
2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a
sick-to-my-stomach
feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to
notice
the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of
the
Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
--
Dr. Stuart W. Shulman
Founder and CEO, Texifter
Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics*
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If the format is JSON it can be uploaded to a free DiscoverText Academic account. On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 10:08 AM Steph Kent via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Thank you! One more question
Are there tricks to opening/accessing the archive once its downloaded?
On Oct 25, 2022, at 5:55 PM, Derek Baird via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Several people have asked how to get a Twitter archive. It's super easy, here you go:
Twitter > Settings > Your account > Download an archive of your data *_________________* *Derek E. Baird, M.A.* he/him/his
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:47 PM Derek Baird <debaird@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminder to get a Twitter archive asap. can take a few days (it includes
DMs.)
DB
*_________________*
*Derek E. Baird, M.A.*
he/him/his
English, German, Vietnamese, Ukrainian and Chinese editions of my book, *The
Gen Z Frequency*, are now available <http://amzn.to/2IKyToi>on Amazon
and Blinkist <https://www.blinkist.com/en/books/the-gen-z-frequency-en>!
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:40 PM sally--- via Air-L <
air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi
I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored
server...
________________________________
From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick
Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM
To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org>
Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org>
Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all
I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in
too.
Be good,
Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L <
air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk
site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my
presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance,
open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L <
air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for
Twitter.
I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on
colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and
perhaps
soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags
(hello
#AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog
or
nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I
could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard
given
the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with
you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of
America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist
accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a
good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020,
and
firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our
country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this
political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to
treat
the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of
politics
that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11
thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And
that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than
to
conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will
not
be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime
soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent
years
I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s
that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great
for
individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so
much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function
of
midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning
into
an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view
Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By
contrast, at
least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some
'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it
wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and
elsewhere
posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional
reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on
what
'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the
Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security
concerns
with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be
something
there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but
again,
the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or
less
data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale"
show
up
again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content
moderation?
Is
this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to
happen.
After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am
completely
burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the
tasks. I
still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter
as
the
object of their research. The data has never been more widely
available and
the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also
the
systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of
government
globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501
(c)(6)
called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to
academia
with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of
the
social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired
to
have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision
of
the
challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful
regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured
on
insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent
threat
to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk
governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open
on
Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every
seditious
timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30
like-minded
users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality,
gamification,
domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via
misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all
manner
and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian
election
of
2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today
and
Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which
ultimately
was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I
briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint
Chiefs,
JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer
Assessment
using
open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much
worse,
not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early
February
2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a
sick-to-my-stomach
feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to
notice
the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of
the
Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
--
Dr. Stuart W. Shulman
Founder and CEO, Texifter
Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics*
_______________________________________________
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I'd like to be included here as well. J. Meryl Krieger, Ph.D. *she/her/hers* Senior Learning Designer Arts & Sciences Online Learning, College of Liberal and Professional Studies, University of Pennsylvania Lecturer, College of Liberal and Professional Studies, University of Pennsylvania Consultant and Career Coach, Career Coaching for Creatives/ http://careercoachingforcreatives.com Adjunct Lecturer, Department of Sociology, Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis http://www.linkedin.com/in/merylkrieger http://upenn.academia.edu/merylkrieger On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 10:48 AM Shulman, Stu via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
If the format is JSON it can be uploaded to a free DiscoverText Academic account.
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 10:08 AM Steph Kent via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Thank you! One more question
Are there tricks to opening/accessing the archive once its downloaded?
On Oct 25, 2022, at 5:55 PM, Derek Baird via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Several people have asked how to get a Twitter archive. It's super easy, here you go:
Twitter > Settings > Your account > Download an archive of your data *_________________* *Derek E. Baird, M.A.* he/him/his
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:47 PM Derek Baird <debaird@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminder to get a Twitter archive asap. can take a few days (it includes
DMs.)
DB
*_________________*
*Derek E. Baird, M.A.*
he/him/his
English, German, Vietnamese, Ukrainian and Chinese editions of my book, *The
Gen Z Frequency*, are now available <http://amzn.to/2IKyToi>on Amazon
and Blinkist <https://www.blinkist.com/en/books/the-gen-z-frequency-en>!
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:40 PM sally--- via Air-L <
air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi
I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored
server...
________________________________
From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick
Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM
To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org>
Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org>
Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all
I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in
too.
Be good,
Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L <
air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk
site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my
presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance,
open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L <
air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for
Twitter.
I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on
colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and
perhaps
soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags
(hello
#AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog
or
nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I
could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard
given
the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with
you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of
America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist
accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a
good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020,
and
firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our
country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this
political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to
treat
the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of
politics
that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11
thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And
that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than
to
conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will
not
be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime
soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent
years
I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s
that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great
for
individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so
much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function
of
midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning
into
an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view
Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By
contrast, at
least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some
'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it
wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and
elsewhere
posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional
reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on
what
'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the
Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security
concerns
with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be
something
there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but
again,
the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or
less
data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale"
show
up
again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content
moderation?
Is
this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to
happen.
After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am
completely
burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the
tasks. I
still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter
as
the
object of their research. The data has never been more widely
available and
the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also
the
systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of
government
globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501
(c)(6)
called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to
academia
with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of
the
social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired
to
have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision
of
the
challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful
regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured
on
insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent
threat
to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk
governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open
on
Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every
seditious
timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30
like-minded
users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality,
gamification,
domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via
misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all
manner
and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian
election
of
2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today
and
Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which
ultimately
was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I
briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint
Chiefs,
JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer
Assessment
using
open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much
worse,
not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early
February
2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a
sick-to-my-stomach
feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to
notice
the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of
the
Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
--
Dr. Stuart W. Shulman
Founder and CEO, Texifter
Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics*
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Maybe just send an invite to the list? On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 1:23 PM Meryl Krieger via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I'd like to be included here as well.
J. Meryl Krieger, Ph.D. *she/her/hers* Senior Learning Designer Arts & Sciences Online Learning, College of Liberal and Professional Studies, University of Pennsylvania Lecturer, College of Liberal and Professional Studies, University of Pennsylvania Consultant and Career Coach, Career Coaching for Creatives/ http://careercoachingforcreatives.com Adjunct Lecturer, Department of Sociology, Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis
http://www.linkedin.com/in/merylkrieger http://upenn.academia.edu/merylkrieger
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 10:48 AM Shulman, Stu via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
If the format is JSON it can be uploaded to a free DiscoverText Academic account.
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 10:08 AM Steph Kent via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Thank you! One more question
Are there tricks to opening/accessing the archive once its downloaded?
On Oct 25, 2022, at 5:55 PM, Derek Baird via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Several people have asked how to get a Twitter archive. It's super easy, here you go:
Twitter > Settings > Your account > Download an archive of your data *_________________* *Derek E. Baird, M.A.* he/him/his
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:47 PM Derek Baird <debaird@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminder to get a Twitter archive asap. can take a few days (it includes
DMs.)
DB
*_________________*
*Derek E. Baird, M.A.*
he/him/his
English, German, Vietnamese, Ukrainian and Chinese editions of my book, *The
Gen Z Frequency*, are now available <http://amzn.to/2IKyToi>on Amazon
and Blinkist <https://www.blinkist.com/en/books/the-gen-z-frequency-en !
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:40 PM sally--- via Air-L <
air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi
I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored
server...
________________________________
From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick
Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM
To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org>
Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org>
Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all
I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in
too.
Be good,
Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L <
air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk
site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my
presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance,
open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L <
air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for
Twitter.
I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on
colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and
perhaps
soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags
(hello
#AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog
or
nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I
could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard
given
the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with
you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of
America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist
accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a
good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020,
and
firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our
country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this
political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to
treat
the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of
politics
that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11
thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And
that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than
to
conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will
not
be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime
soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent
years
I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s
that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great
for
individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so
much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function
of
midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning
into
an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view
Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By
contrast, at
least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some
'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it
wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and
elsewhere
posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional
reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on
what
'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the
Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security
concerns
with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be
something
there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but
again,
the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or
less
data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale"
show
up
again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content
moderation?
Is
this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to
happen.
After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am
completely
burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the
tasks. I
still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter
as
the
object of their research. The data has never been more widely
available and
the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also
the
systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of
government
globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501
(c)(6)
called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to
academia
with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of
the
social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired
to
have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision
of
the
challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful
regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured
on
insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent
threat
to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk
governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open
on
Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every
seditious
timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30
like-minded
users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality,
gamification,
domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via
misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all
manner
and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian
election
of
2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today
and
Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which
ultimately
was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I
briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint
Chiefs,
JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer
Assessment
using
open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much
worse,
not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early
February
2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a
sick-to-my-stomach
feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to
notice
the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of
the
Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
--
Dr. Stuart W. Shulman
Founder and CEO, Texifter
Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics*
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Hi all, Keen to participate and support next steps here. I managed communities for 20+ years professionally, run the Australian national body for online community practitioners and now research and teach these practices — so definitely have both enthusiasm and insights to apply :-) Venessa Paech University of Sydney She/Her mobile +61 435 217 315 twitter // linkedin // book a meeting I respectfully acknowledge the Traditional Owners, Custodians and Elders past and present of the Wadawurrung people, on whose lands I reside.
On 26 Oct 2022, at 7:23 pm, Meryl Krieger via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I'd like to be included here as well.
J. Meryl Krieger, Ph.D. *she/her/hers* Senior Learning Designer Arts & Sciences Online Learning, College of Liberal and Professional Studies, University of Pennsylvania Lecturer, College of Liberal and Professional Studies, University of Pennsylvania Consultant and Career Coach, Career Coaching for Creatives/ http://careercoachingforcreatives.com Adjunct Lecturer, Department of Sociology, Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis
http://www.linkedin.com/in/merylkrieger http://upenn.academia.edu/merylkrieger
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 10:48 AM Shulman, Stu via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
If the format is JSON it can be uploaded to a free DiscoverText Academic account.
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 10:08 AM Steph Kent via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Thank you! One more question
Are there tricks to opening/accessing the archive once its downloaded?
On Oct 25, 2022, at 5:55 PM, Derek Baird via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Several people have asked how to get a Twitter archive. It's super easy, here you go:
Twitter > Settings > Your account > Download an archive of your data *_________________* *Derek E. Baird, M.A.* he/him/his
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:47 PM Derek Baird <debaird@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminder to get a Twitter archive asap. can take a few days (it includes
DMs.)
DB
*_________________*
*Derek E. Baird, M.A.*
he/him/his
English, German, Vietnamese, Ukrainian and Chinese editions of my book, *The
Gen Z Frequency*, are now available <http://amzn.to/2IKyToi>on Amazon
and Blinkist <https://www.blinkist.com/en/books/the-gen-z-frequency-en>!
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:40 PM sally--- via Air-L <
air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi
I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored
server...
________________________________
From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick
Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org>
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Hi all
I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in
too.
Be good,
Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L <
air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk
site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my
presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance,
open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for
Twitter.
I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on
colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and
perhaps
soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags
(hello
#AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog
or
nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I
could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard
given
the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with
you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of
America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist
accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a
good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020,
and
firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our
country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this
political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to
treat
the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of
politics
that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11
thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And
that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than
to
conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will
not
be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime
soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent
years
I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s
that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great
for
individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so
much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function
of
midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning
into
an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view
Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By
contrast, at
least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some
'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it
wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and
elsewhere
posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional
reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on
what
'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the
Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security
concerns
with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be
something
there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but
again,
the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or
less
data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale"
show
up
again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content
moderation?
Is
this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to
happen.
After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am
completely
burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the
tasks. I
still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter
as
the
object of their research. The data has never been more widely
available and
the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also
the
systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of
government
globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501
(c)(6)
called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to
academia
with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of
the
social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired
to
have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision
of
the
challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful
regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured
on
insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent
threat
to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk
governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open
on
Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every
seditious
timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30
like-minded
users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality,
gamification,
domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via
misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all
manner
and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian
election
of
2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today
and
Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which
ultimately
was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I
briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint
Chiefs,
JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer
Assessment
using
open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much
worse,
not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early
February
2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a
sick-to-my-stomach
feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to
notice
the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of
the
Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
--
Dr. Stuart W. Shulman
Founder and CEO, Texifter
Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics*
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Nice to meet other Masto users. Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse. https://edtechfactotum.com/open-educators-on-mastodon/ However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite. Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots. --Alex ALEXANDRE ENKERLI CHARGÉ DE PROJETS • SERVICES DE PÉDAGOGIE NUMÉRIQUE collecto.ca -----Message d'origine----- De : Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> De la part de sally--- via Air-L Envoyé : 24 octobre 2022 18:27 À : Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org>; Fenwick Mckelvey <mckelveyf@gmail.com> Cc : air-l@listserv.aoir.org Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk? [AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens et pièces jointes. Merci! Hi I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk? Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too. Be good, Fenwick On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furld efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fvimeo.com%2F129423037__%3B!!IaT_gp1N !0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPFpLm-cdX_SBpmFHVzAbi7e_nr3KCSBblNWocRhIbpOHQGFDd5ZO BbVTyp2WHk_ow%24&data=05%7C01%7Calexandre.enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C c341f8b024c942e9291808dab610139b%7Cfc06caffbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C 0%7C0%7C638022477435961847%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDA iLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sd ata=5tG1SDjkqL5jXv%2FR3p7f7FCFGqkv5jMPrvez%2FSKdUEU%3D&reserved=0
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furld efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fhuntingbotsandtrolls__ %3B!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPFpLm-cdX_SBpmFHVzAbi7e_nr3KCSBblNWocRh IbpOHQGFDd5ZOBbVTyq6oRe2Xw%24&data=05%7C01%7Calexandre.enkerli%40c ollecto.ca%7Cc341f8b024c942e9291808dab610139b%7Cfc06caffbf2a48c9a5966a 3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638022477435961847%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIj oiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C %7C%7C&sdata=bNWpQpSuNv9c9eEiX2EV%2Bd0kefPPbAH0jGcc66kXIMM%3D& reserved=0
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
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I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.) If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances? As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse. https://edtechfactotum.com/open-educators-on-mastodon/
However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
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Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
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Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
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Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance. --Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Richard Forno <rick@rickf.org> Envoyé : 25 octobre 2022 09:16 À : Enkerli, Alexandre <Alexandre.Enkerli@collecto.ca> Cc : air-l@listserv.aoir.org Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk? [AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens et pièces jointes. Merci! I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.) If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances? As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse. https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fedte chfactotum.com%2Fopen-educators-on-mastodon%2F&data=05%7C01%7CAlex andre.Enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C7bea1143167c439fa42208dab68b06ac%7Cfc06c affbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638023007254637965%7CUnknown%7CT WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI 6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=cCfTEIqBVJ2osOGxQfDbVZDH0z2KRSawZ7xo hpSFkpw%3D&reserved=0
However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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-----Message d'origine----- De : Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> De la part de sally--- via Air-L Envoyé : 24 octobre 2022 18:27 À : Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org>; Fenwick Mckelvey <mckelveyf@gmail.com> Cc : air-l@listserv.aoir.org Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
[AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens et pièces jointes. Merci!
Hi
I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
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Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
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Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification! On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance.
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I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.)
If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick
On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse. https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fedte chfactotum.com%2Fopen-educators-on-mastodon%2F&data=05%7C01%7CAlex andre.Enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C7bea1143167c439fa42208dab68b06ac%7Cfc06c affbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638023007254637965%7CUnknown%7CT WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI 6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=cCfTEIqBVJ2osOGxQfDbVZDH0z2KRSawZ7xo hpSFkpw%3D&reserved=0
However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
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Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
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Hi all, Usually a lurker on here, but I had some ideas for post-twitter academic micro-blogging. A mastodon could certainly be a good start. Is someone going to spin up an AOIR instance? - Andy Famiglietti On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 10:19 AM Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance.
--Alex
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I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.)
If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick
On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse. https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fedte chfactotum.com%2Fopen-educators-on-mastodon%2F&data=05%7C01%7CAlex andre.Enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C7bea1143167c439fa42208dab68b06ac%7Cfc06c affbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638023007254637965%7CUnknown%7CT WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI 6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=cCfTEIqBVJ2osOGxQfDbVZDH0z2KRSawZ7xo hpSFkpw%3D&reserved=0
However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
> Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or > less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail > Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do > content moderation? > Is > this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US? > > I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to > happen. > After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am > completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and > science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty > who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data > has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it > can be inspiring. > > It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also > the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems > of government globally. As an original Board Member and the > Treasurer of a 501 > (c)(6) > called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to > academia with a group of industry people on the "long term > preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, > but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute > Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years > ago: > > "Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" > https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furld efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fvimeo.com%2F129423037__%3B!!IaT_gp1N !0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPFpLm-cdX_SBpmFHVzAbi7e_nr3KCSBblNWocRhIbpOHQGFDd5ZO BbVTyp2WHk_ow%24&data=05%7C01%7Calexandre.enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C c341f8b024c942e9291808dab610139b%7Cfc06caffbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C 0%7C0%7C638022477435961847%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDA iLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sd ata=5tG1SDjkqL5jXv%2FR3p7f7FCFGqkv5jMPrvez%2FSKdUEU%3D&reserved=0 > > Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most > powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate > ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, > is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government > without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January > 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were > advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. > Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded > users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, > gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of > influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid > amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we > found in the Canadian election of > 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today > and > Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which > ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American > democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from > the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic > Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. > Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that > briefing. These were the slides in early February > 2020: > > https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furld efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fhuntingbotsandtrolls__ %3B!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPFpLm-cdX_SBpmFHVzAbi7e_nr3KCSBblNWocRh IbpOHQGFDd5ZOBbVTyq6oRe2Xw%24&data=05%7C01%7Calexandre.enkerli%40c ollecto.ca%7Cc341f8b024c942e9291808dab610139b%7Cfc06caffbf2a48c9a5966a 3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638022477435961847%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIj oiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C %7C%7C&sdata=bNWpQpSuNv9c9eEiX2EV%2Bd0kefPPbAH0jGcc66kXIMM%3D& reserved=0 > > Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a > sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. > We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is > imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot > fully see, capture, measure, or control. > > -- > Dr. Stuart W. 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Chiming in as another happy mastodon/fediverse convert. An AoIR instance sounds like a great idea. One option folks may not have seen is Hometown (https://github.com/hometown-fork/hometown), a fork of the Mastodon project that is "99.999% Mastodon" and can smoothly federate with any Mastodon instance. The main difference is that Hometown adds a "local only" setting at the post level, which gives you the option to just share something with the community of other users on your instance. The main developer Darius Kazemi's article on how/why to "Run your own social" (https://runyourown.social/) would be of general interest to people on this list, I think. Another thing worth mentioning is that Mastodon provides a neat feature to migrate an account from one instance to another while retaining its following/follower connections, so there's little downside to getting set up on an instance that might not be the one you want long-term. -Andy On 10/25/22 10:49, Andy Famiglietti via Air-L wrote:
Hi all,
Usually a lurker on here, but I had some ideas for post-twitter academic micro-blogging. A mastodon could certainly be a good start. Is someone going to spin up an AOIR instance? - Andy Famiglietti
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 10:19 AM Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance. --Alex
-----Message d'origine----- De : Richard Forno <rick@rickf.org> Envoyé : 25 octobre 2022 09:16 À : Enkerli, Alexandre <Alexandre.Enkerli@collecto.ca> Cc : air-l@listserv.aoir.org Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
[AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens et pièces jointes. Merci! I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.) If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances? As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse. https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fedte chfactotum.com%2Fopen-educators-on-mastodon%2F&data=05%7C01%7CAlex andre.Enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C7bea1143167c439fa42208dab68b06ac%7Cfc06c affbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638023007254637965%7CUnknown%7CT WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI 6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=cCfTEIqBVJ2osOGxQfDbVZDH0z2KRSawZ7xo hpSFkpw%3D&reserved=0
However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite. Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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-----Message d'origine----- De : Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> De la part de sally--- via Air-L Envoyé : 24 octobre 2022 18:27 À : Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org>; Fenwick Mckelvey < mckelveyf@gmail.com> Cc : air-l@listserv.aoir.org Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
[AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens et pièces jointes. Merci! Hi
I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too. Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social. Glad to discuss in Dublin.
> On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: > External Email: Use caution with links and attachments. > > Hi Stu - > > Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. > I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on > colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and > perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference > hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and > socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, > but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years. > Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard > given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, > I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about > the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist > accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be > a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from > 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our > country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this > political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to > treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand > of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got > cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in > ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here > politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not > just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get > "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/. > > I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent > years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from > the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's > been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat > might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of > midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > > But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning > into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however > you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. > By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the > appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board. > As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it > wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and > elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for > professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, > depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition. > Stay tuned, I guess... > > -- rick > > [1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the > Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security > concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could > be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the > sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up. > > > On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote: > >> Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or >> less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail >> Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do >> content moderation? >> Is >> this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US? >> >> I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to >> happen. >> After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am >> completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and >> science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty >> who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data >> has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it >> can be inspiring. >> >> It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also >> the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems >> of government globally. As an original Board Member and the >> Treasurer of a 501 >> (c)(6) >> called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to >> academia with a group of industry people on the "long term >> preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, >> but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute >> Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years >> ago: >> >> "Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" >> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furld efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fvimeo.com%2F129423037__%3B!!IaT_gp1N !0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPFpLm-cdX_SBpmFHVzAbi7e_nr3KCSBblNWocRhIbpOHQGFDd5ZO BbVTyp2WHk_ow%24&data=05%7C01%7Calexandre.enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C c341f8b024c942e9291808dab610139b%7Cfc06caffbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C 0%7C0%7C638022477435961847%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDA iLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sd ata=5tG1SDjkqL5jXv%2FR3p7f7FCFGqkv5jMPrvez%2FSKdUEU%3D&reserved=0 >> Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most >> powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate >> ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, >> is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government >> without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January >> 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were >> advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. >> Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded >> users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, >> gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of >> influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid >> amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we >> found in the Canadian election of >> 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today >> and >> Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which >> ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American >> democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from >> the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic >> Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. >> Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that >> briefing. These were the slides in early February >> 2020: >> >> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furld efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fhuntingbotsandtrolls__ %3B!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPFpLm-cdX_SBpmFHVzAbi7e_nr3KCSBblNWocRh IbpOHQGFDd5ZOBbVTyq6oRe2Xw%24&data=05%7C01%7Calexandre.enkerli%40c ollecto.ca%7Cc341f8b024c942e9291808dab610139b%7Cfc06caffbf2a48c9a5966a 3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638022477435961847%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIj oiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C %7C%7C&sdata=bNWpQpSuNv9c9eEiX2EV%2Bd0kefPPbAH0jGcc66kXIMM%3D& reserved=0 >> Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a >> sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. >> We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is >> imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot >> fully see, capture, measure, or control. >> >> -- >> Dr. Stuart W. 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There’s always the AoIR Discord server that was set up back in 2019 to a flurry of activity for two weeks and then nothing. https://discord.gg/muTbVnaM Or we could try blogging again 😉 Jill On 25/10/2022, 16:20, "Air-L" <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification! On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance.
--Alex
-----Message d'origine----- De : Richard Forno <rick@rickf.org> Envoyé : 25 octobre 2022 09:16 À : Enkerli, Alexandre <Alexandre.Enkerli@collecto.ca> Cc : air-l@listserv.aoir.org Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
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I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.)
If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick
On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse. https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fedte chfactotum.com%2Fopen-educators-on-mastodon%2F&data=05%7C01%7CAlex andre.Enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C7bea1143167c439fa42208dab68b06ac%7Cfc06c affbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638023007254637965%7CUnknown%7CT WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI 6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=cCfTEIqBVJ2osOGxQfDbVZDH0z2KRSawZ7xo hpSFkpw%3D&reserved=0
However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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-----Message d'origine----- De : Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> De la part de sally--- via Air-L Envoyé : 24 octobre 2022 18:27 À : Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org>; Fenwick Mckelvey <mckelveyf@gmail.com> Cc : air-l@listserv.aoir.org Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
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I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
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Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
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Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
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Nice to see where this thread is going! If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the subject. I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018 (https://post.lurk.org/about/) and together with LURK, the association I am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter (example: https://txt.lurk.org/how-to-run-a-small-social-networking-site/) Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online! all the best, Roel On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote:
Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance.
--Alex
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I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.)
If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick
On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse. https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fedte chfactotum.com%2Fopen-educators-on-mastodon%2F&data=05%7C01%7CAlex andre.Enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C7bea1143167c439fa42208dab68b06ac%7Cfc06c affbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638023007254637965%7CUnknown%7CT WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI 6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=cCfTEIqBVJ2osOGxQfDbVZDH0z2KRSawZ7xo hpSFkpw%3D&reserved=0
However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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Hi
I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social. Glad to discuss in Dublin.
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
> Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or > less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail > Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do > content moderation? > Is > this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US? > > I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to > happen. > After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am > completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and > science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty > who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data > has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it > can be inspiring. > > It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also > the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems > of government globally. As an original Board Member and the > Treasurer of a 501 > (c)(6) > called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to > academia with a group of industry people on the "long term > preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, > but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute > Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years > ago: > > "Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" > https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furld efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fvimeo.com%2F129423037__%3B!!IaT_gp1N !0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPFpLm-cdX_SBpmFHVzAbi7e_nr3KCSBblNWocRhIbpOHQGFDd5ZO BbVTyp2WHk_ow%24&data=05%7C01%7Calexandre.enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C c341f8b024c942e9291808dab610139b%7Cfc06caffbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C 0%7C0%7C638022477435961847%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDA iLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sd ata=5tG1SDjkqL5jXv%2FR3p7f7FCFGqkv5jMPrvez%2FSKdUEU%3D&reserved=0 > Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most > powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate > ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, > is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government > without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January > 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were > advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. > Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded > users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, > gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of > influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid > amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we > found in the Canadian election of > 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today > and > Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which > ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American > democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from > the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic > Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. > Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that > briefing. These were the slides in early February > 2020: > > https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furld efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fhuntingbotsandtrolls__ %3B!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPFpLm-cdX_SBpmFHVzAbi7e_nr3KCSBblNWocRh IbpOHQGFDd5ZOBbVTyq6oRe2Xw%24&data=05%7C01%7Calexandre.enkerli%40c ollecto.ca%7Cc341f8b024c942e9291808dab610139b%7Cfc06caffbf2a48c9a5966a 3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638022477435961847%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIj oiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C %7C%7C&sdata=bNWpQpSuNv9c9eEiX2EV%2Bd0kefPPbAH0jGcc66kXIMM%3D& reserved=0 > Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a > sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. > We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is > imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot > fully see, capture, measure, or control. > > -- > Dr. Stuart W. 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Roel et al I set up on Mastodon in what seems ages ago and felt so isolated that I gave up. But I will try again if there is a thread such as around AoIR. Bill William H. Dutton 55 Victoria Road Oxford OX2 7QF United Kingdom william.dutton@gmail.com Twitter @BiIIDutton (II=two capital ii’s) Phone: +44 (0)1865 423836 Mobile: +44 (0)7757 741670 Blog: https://billdutton.me
On 25 Oct 2022, at 16:07, Roel Roscam Abbing via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Nice to see where this thread is going!
If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the subject.
I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018 (https://post.lurk.org/about/) and together with LURK, the association I am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter (example: https://txt.lurk.org/how-to-run-a-small-social-networking-site/)
Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online!
all the best,
Roel
On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote:
Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance.
--Alex
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I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.)
If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick
On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse. https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fedte chfactotum.com%2Fopen-educators-on-mastodon%2F&data=05%7C01%7CAlex andre.Enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C7bea1143167c439fa42208dab68b06ac%7Cfc06c affbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638023007254637965%7CUnknown%7CT WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI 6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=cCfTEIqBVJ2osOGxQfDbVZDH0z2KRSawZ7xo hpSFkpw%3D&reserved=0
However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
ALEXANDRE ENKERLI CHARGÉ DE PROJETS • SERVICES DE PÉDAGOGIE NUMÉRIQUE collecto.ca
-----Message d'origine----- De : Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> De la part de sally--- via Air-L Envoyé : 24 octobre 2022 18:27 À : Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org>; Fenwick Mckelvey <mckelveyf@gmail.com> Cc : air-l@listserv.aoir.org Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
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I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social. Glad to discuss in Dublin.
> On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: > External Email: Use caution with links and attachments. > > Hi Stu - > > Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. > I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on > colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and > perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference > hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and > socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, > but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years. > > Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard > given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, > I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about > the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist > accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be > a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from > 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our > country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this > political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to > treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand > of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got > cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in > ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here > politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not > just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get > "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/. > > I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent > years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from > the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's > been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat > might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of > midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > > But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning > into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however > you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. > By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the > appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board. > > As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it > wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and > elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for > professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, > depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition. > > Stay tuned, I guess... > > -- rick > > [1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the > Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security > concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could > be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the > sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up. > > > On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote: > >> Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or >> less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail >> Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do >> content moderation? >> Is >> this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US? >> >> I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to >> happen. >> After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am >> completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and >> science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty >> who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data >> has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it >> can be inspiring. >> >> It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also >> the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems >> of government globally. As an original Board Member and the >> Treasurer of a 501 >> (c)(6) >> called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to >> academia with a group of industry people on the "long term >> preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, >> but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute >> Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years >> ago: >> >> "Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" >> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furld efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fvimeo.com%2F129423037__%3B!!IaT_gp1N !0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPFpLm-cdX_SBpmFHVzAbi7e_nr3KCSBblNWocRhIbpOHQGFDd5ZO BbVTyp2WHk_ow%24&data=05%7C01%7Calexandre.enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C c341f8b024c942e9291808dab610139b%7Cfc06caffbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C 0%7C0%7C638022477435961847%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDA iLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sd ata=5tG1SDjkqL5jXv%2FR3p7f7FCFGqkv5jMPrvez%2FSKdUEU%3D&reserved=0 >> Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most >> powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate >> ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, >> is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government >> without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January >> 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were >> advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. >> Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded >> users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, >> gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of >> influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid >> amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we >> found in the Canadian election of >> 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today >> and >> Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which >> ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American >> democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from >> the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic >> Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. >> Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that >> briefing. These were the slides in early February >> 2020: >> >> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furld efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fhuntingbotsandtrolls__ %3B!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPFpLm-cdX_SBpmFHVzAbi7e_nr3KCSBblNWocRh IbpOHQGFDd5ZOBbVTyq6oRe2Xw%24&data=05%7C01%7Calexandre.enkerli%40c ollecto.ca%7Cc341f8b024c942e9291808dab610139b%7Cfc06caffbf2a48c9a5966a 3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638022477435961847%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIj oiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C %7C%7C&sdata=bNWpQpSuNv9c9eEiX2EV%2Bd0kefPPbAH0jGcc66kXIMM%3D& reserved=0 >> Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a >> sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. >> We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is >> imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot >> fully see, capture, measure, or control. >> >> -- >> Dr. Stuart W. 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On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:48 AM, William Dutton via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I set up on Mastodon in what seems ages ago and felt so isolated that I gave up. But I will try again if there is a thread such as around AoIR.
I think Mastodon being federated/decentralized means that this experience is not uncommon. There might be some value in AoIR members who are in the fediverse sharing their addresses in a wiki page or somewhere? It’s exciting to see the discussion! //Ed edsu@social.coop PS. I’m not a member, but I’m a big fan of the post.lurk.org community!
Having just attended Roel's workshop on Hometown/Mastodon this past May, I can tell everyone interested in this that Roel and his colleagues are *extremely* adept at setting up, administering, moderating, and developing alternative social media that is ethical and inclusive. If we can get Roel and Varia/LURK to help, things will go well! - Rob On 10/25/22 11:07, Roel Roscam Abbing via Air-L wrote:
Nice to see where this thread is going!
If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the subject.
I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018 (https://post.lurk.org/about/) and together with LURK, the association I am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter (example: https://txt.lurk.org/how-to-run-a-small-social-networking-site/)
Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online!
all the best,
Roel
On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote:
Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance.
--Alex
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I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.)
If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick
On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse. https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fedte chfactotum.com%2Fopen-educators-on-mastodon%2F&data=05%7C01%7CAlex andre.Enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C7bea1143167c439fa42208dab68b06ac%7Cfc06c affbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638023007254637965%7CUnknown%7CT WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI 6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=cCfTEIqBVJ2osOGxQfDbVZDH0z2KRSawZ7xo hpSFkpw%3D&reserved=0
However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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-----Message d'origine----- De : Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> De la part de sally--- via Air-L Envoyé : 24 octobre 2022 18:27 À : Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org>; Fenwick Mckelvey <mckelveyf@gmail.com> Cc : air-l@listserv.aoir.org Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
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Hi
I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social. Glad to discuss in Dublin.
> On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: > External Email: Use caution with links and attachments. > > Hi Stu - > > Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for > Twitter. > I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on > colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and > perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference > hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and > socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, > but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even > after 13 years. > > Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard > given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, > I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about > the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist > accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be > a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from > 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal > point for our > country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this > political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to > treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand > of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got > cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in > ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here > politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not > just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get > "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/. > > I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent > years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from > the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's > been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat > might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking > also could be a function of > midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > > But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning > into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however > you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. > By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the > appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things > via its Oversight Board. > > As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it > wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and > elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for > professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, > depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform > post-acquisition. > > Stay tuned, I guess... > > -- rick > > [1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the > Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security > concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could > be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the > sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up. > > > On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote: > >> Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or >> less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail >> Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do >> content moderation? >> Is >> this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US? >> >> I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to >> happen. >> After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am >> completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and >> science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty >> who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data >> has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it >> can be inspiring. >> >> It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also >> the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems >> of government globally. As an original Board Member and the >> Treasurer of a 501 >> (c)(6) >> called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to >> academia with a group of industry people on the "long term >> preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, >> but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute >> Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years >> ago: >> >> "Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" >> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furld
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>> Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most >> powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate >> ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, >> is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government >> without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January >> 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were >> advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. >> Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded >> users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, >> gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of >> influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid >> amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we >> found in the Canadian election of >> 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today >> and >> Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which >> ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American >> democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from >> the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic >> Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. >> Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that >> briefing. These were the slides in early February >> 2020: >> >> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furld
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Great to see so many folks interested in this idea. In order to stop spamming everyone else on the AoIR list, I’ll email all the people who responded with interest in a separate message, and propose a time to meet up in Dublin. If anyone is interested and doesn’t hear from me in the next hour or two, please feel free to reach out directly at aram@american.edu<mailto:aram@american.edu> and I’ll invite you as well. Onwards and upwards. Aram On Oct 25, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Robert W Gehl via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote: External Email: Use caution with links and attachments. Having just attended Roel's workshop on Hometown/Mastodon this past May, I can tell everyone interested in this that Roel and his colleagues are *extremely* adept at setting up, administering, moderating, and developing alternative social media that is ethical and inclusive. If we can get Roel and Varia/LURK to help, things will go well! - Rob On 10/25/22 11:07, Roel Roscam Abbing via Air-L wrote: Nice to see where this thread is going! If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the subject. I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018 (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://post.lurk.org/about/__;!!IaT_gp1N!2e2RrN... ) and together with LURK, the association I am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter (example: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://txt.lurk.org/how-to-run-a-small-social-n... ) Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online! all the best, Roel On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote: Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification! On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote: Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance. --Alex -----Message d'origine----- De : Richard Forno <rick@rickf.org<mailto:rick@rickf.org>> Envoyé : 25 octobre 2022 09:16 À : Enkerli, Alexandre <Alexandre.Enkerli@collecto.ca<mailto:Alexandre.Enkerli@collecto.ca>> Cc : air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk? [AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens et pièces jointes. Merci! I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.) If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances? As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote: Nice to meet other Masto users. Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?... chfactotum.com%2Fopen-educators-on-mastodon%2F&data=05%7C01%7CAlex andre.Enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C7bea1143167c439fa42208dab68b06ac%7Cfc06c affbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638023007254637965%7CUnknown%7CT WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI 6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=cCfTEIqBVJ2osOGxQfDbVZDH0z2KRSawZ7xo hpSFkpw%3D&reserved=0 However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite. Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots. --Alex ALEXANDRE ENKERLI CHARGÉ DE PROJETS • SERVICES DE PÉDAGOGIE NUMÉRIQUE collecto.ca -----Message d'origine----- De : Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> De la part de sally--- via Air-L Envoyé : 24 octobre 2022 18:27 À : Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org>; Fenwick Mckelvey <mckelveyf@gmail.com> Cc : air-l@listserv.aoir.org Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk? [AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens et pièces jointes. Merci! Hi I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk? Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too. Be good, Fenwick On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!) As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR. - Rob On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote: I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social. Glad to discuss in Dublin. On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: External Email: Use caution with links and attachments. Hi Stu - Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years. Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/. I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board. As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition. Stay tuned, I guess... -- rick [1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up. On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote: Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US? I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring. It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago: "Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?... efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fvimeo.com%2F129423037__%3B!!IaT_gp1N !0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPFpLm-cdX_SBpmFHVzAbi7e_nr3KCSBblNWocRhIbpOHQGFDd5ZO BbVTyp2WHk_ow%24&data=05%7C01%7Calexandre.enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C c341f8b024c942e9291808dab610139b%7Cfc06caffbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C 0%7C0%7C638022477435961847%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDA iLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sd ata=5tG1SDjkqL5jXv%2FR3p7f7FCFGqkv5jMPrvez%2FSKdUEU%3D&reserved=0 Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?... efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fhuntingbotsandtrolls__ %3B!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1rWCTGT5MfqPFpLm-cdX_SBpmFHVzAbi7e_nr3KCSBblNWocRh IbpOHQGFDd5ZOBbVTyq6oRe2Xw%24&data=05%7C01%7Calexandre.enkerli%40c ollecto.ca%7Cc341f8b024c942e9291808dab610139b%7Cfc06caffbf2a48c9a5966a 3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638022477435961847%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIj oiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C %7C%7C&sdata=bNWpQpSuNv9c9eEiX2EV%2Bd0kefPPbAH0jGcc66kXIMM%3D& reserved=0 Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control. -- Dr. Stuart W. 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I would love to be included on this email, as well. Thank you! On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 1:08 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Great to see so many folks interested in this idea. In order to stop spamming everyone else on the AoIR list, I’ll email all the people who responded with interest in a separate message, and propose a time to meet up in Dublin.
If anyone is interested and doesn’t hear from me in the next hour or two, please feel free to reach out directly at aram@american.edu<mailto: aram@american.edu> and I’ll invite you as well.
Onwards and upwards.
Aram
On Oct 25, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote:
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Having just attended Roel's workshop on Hometown/Mastodon this past May, I can tell everyone interested in this that Roel and his colleagues are *extremely* adept at setting up, administering, moderating, and developing alternative social media that is ethical and inclusive. If we can get Roel and Varia/LURK to help, things will go well!
- Rob
On 10/25/22 11:07, Roel Roscam Abbing via Air-L wrote: Nice to see where this thread is going!
If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the subject.
I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018 ( https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://post.lurk.org/about/__;!!IaT_gp1N!2e2RrN... ) and together with LURK, the association I am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter (example:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://txt.lurk.org/how-to-run-a-small-social-n... )
Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online!
all the best,
Roel
On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote: Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance.
--Alex
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I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.)
If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick
On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse.
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However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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Hi
I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote: I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social. Glad to discuss in Dublin.
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
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ata=5tG1SDjkqL5jXv%2FR3p7f7FCFGqkv5jMPrvez%2FSKdUEU%3D&reserved=0 Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
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Me too please! I want to keep following this conversation. Thanks, steph
On Oct 25, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Caroline O via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I would love to be included on this email, as well. Thank you!
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 1:08 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Great to see so many folks interested in this idea. In order to stop spamming everyone else on the AoIR list, I’ll email all the people who responded with interest in a separate message, and propose a time to meet up in Dublin.
If anyone is interested and doesn’t hear from me in the next hour or two, please feel free to reach out directly at aram@american.edu<mailto: aram@american.edu> and I’ll invite you as well.
Onwards and upwards.
Aram
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Having just attended Roel's workshop on Hometown/Mastodon this past May, I can tell everyone interested in this that Roel and his colleagues are *extremely* adept at setting up, administering, moderating, and developing alternative social media that is ethical and inclusive. If we can get Roel and Varia/LURK to help, things will go well!
- Rob
On 10/25/22 11:07, Roel Roscam Abbing via Air-L wrote: Nice to see where this thread is going!
If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the subject.
I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018 ( https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://post.lurk.org/about/__;!!IaT_gp1N!2e2RrN... ) and together with LURK, the association I am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter (example:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://txt.lurk.org/how-to-run-a-small-social-n... )
Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online!
all the best,
Roel
On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote: Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance.
--Alex
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I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.)
If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick
On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse.
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However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote: I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social. Glad to discuss in Dublin.
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
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And me :-) -Beer Envoyé à partir de Outlook pour iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ De : Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> de la part de Stephanie Jo “Learning Resiliency” Kent via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Envoyé : Tuesday, October 25, 2022 8:14:02 PM À : Caroline O <rvawonk@gmail.com> Cc : Riccardo Nanni via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk? Me too please! I want to keep following this conversation. Thanks, steph
On Oct 25, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Caroline O via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I would love to be included on this email, as well. Thank you!
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 1:08 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Great to see so many folks interested in this idea. In order to stop spamming everyone else on the AoIR list, I’ll email all the people who responded with interest in a separate message, and propose a time to meet up in Dublin.
If anyone is interested and doesn’t hear from me in the next hour or two, please feel free to reach out directly at aram@american.edu<mailto: aram@american.edu> and I’ll invite you as well.
Onwards and upwards.
Aram
On Oct 25, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote:
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Having just attended Roel's workshop on Hometown/Mastodon this past May, I can tell everyone interested in this that Roel and his colleagues are *extremely* adept at setting up, administering, moderating, and developing alternative social media that is ethical and inclusive. If we can get Roel and Varia/LURK to help, things will go well!
- Rob
On 10/25/22 11:07, Roel Roscam Abbing via Air-L wrote: Nice to see where this thread is going!
If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the subject.
I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018 ( https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://post.lurk.org/about/__;!!IaT_gp1N!2e2RrN... ) and together with LURK, the association I am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter (example:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://txt.lurk.org/how-to-run-a-small-social-n... )
Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online!
all the best,
Roel
On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote: Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance.
--Alex
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I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.)
If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick
On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse.
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However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote: I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social. Glad to discuss in Dublin.
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
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Hello, I am also interested in following the conversation. Thanks in advance! :) Sinan Sent from my iPhone
On 25 Oct 2022, at 22:32, BERGMAN Beer via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
And me :-)
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Envoyé à partir de Outlook pour iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ De : Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> de la part de Stephanie Jo “Learning Resiliency” Kent via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Envoyé : Tuesday, October 25, 2022 8:14:02 PM À : Caroline O <rvawonk@gmail.com> Cc : Riccardo Nanni via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Me too please!
I want to keep following this conversation.
Thanks, steph
On Oct 25, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Caroline O via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I would love to be included on this email, as well. Thank you!
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 1:08 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Great to see so many folks interested in this idea. In order to stop spamming everyone else on the AoIR list, I’ll email all the people who responded with interest in a separate message, and propose a time to meet up in Dublin.
If anyone is interested and doesn’t hear from me in the next hour or two, please feel free to reach out directly at aram@american.edu<mailto: aram@american.edu> and I’ll invite you as well.
Onwards and upwards.
Aram
On Oct 25, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote:
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Having just attended Roel's workshop on Hometown/Mastodon this past May, I can tell everyone interested in this that Roel and his colleagues are *extremely* adept at setting up, administering, moderating, and developing alternative social media that is ethical and inclusive. If we can get Roel and Varia/LURK to help, things will go well!
- Rob
On 10/25/22 11:07, Roel Roscam Abbing via Air-L wrote: Nice to see where this thread is going!
If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the subject.
I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018 ( https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://post.lurk.org/about/__;!!IaT_gp1N!2e2RrN... ) and together with LURK, the association I am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter (example:
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Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online!
all the best,
Roel
On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote: Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance.
--Alex
-----Message d'origine----- De : Richard Forno <rick@rickf.org<mailto:rick@rickf.org>> Envoyé : 25 octobre 2022 09:16 À : Enkerli, Alexandre <Alexandre.Enkerli@collecto.ca<mailto: Alexandre.Enkerli@collecto.ca>> Cc : air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
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I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.)
If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick
On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse.
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However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote: I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social. Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
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Me too, Thank you
On 25 Oct 2022, at 21:08, Sinan Aşçı via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hello,
I am also interested in following the conversation. Thanks in advance! :)
Sinan
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On 25 Oct 2022, at 22:32, BERGMAN Beer via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
And me :-)
-Beer
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Me too please!
I want to keep following this conversation.
Thanks, steph
On Oct 25, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Caroline O via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I would love to be included on this email, as well. Thank you!
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 1:08 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Great to see so many folks interested in this idea. In order to stop spamming everyone else on the AoIR list, I’ll email all the people who responded with interest in a separate message, and propose a time to meet up in Dublin.
If anyone is interested and doesn’t hear from me in the next hour or two, please feel free to reach out directly at aram@american.edu<mailto: aram@american.edu> and I’ll invite you as well.
Onwards and upwards.
Aram
On Oct 25, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote:
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Having just attended Roel's workshop on Hometown/Mastodon this past May, I can tell everyone interested in this that Roel and his colleagues are *extremely* adept at setting up, administering, moderating, and developing alternative social media that is ethical and inclusive. If we can get Roel and Varia/LURK to help, things will go well!
- Rob
On 10/25/22 11:07, Roel Roscam Abbing via Air-L wrote: Nice to see where this thread is going!
If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the subject.
I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018 ( https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://post.lurk.org/about/__;!!IaT_gp1N!2e2RrN... ) and together with LURK, the association I am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter (example:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://txt.lurk.org/how-to-run-a-small-social-n... )
Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online!
all the best,
Roel
On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote: Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance.
--Alex
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I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.)
If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick
On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse.
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However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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Hi
I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote: I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social. Glad to discuss in Dublin.
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
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ata=5tG1SDjkqL5jXv%2FR3p7f7FCFGqkv5jMPrvez%2FSKdUEU%3D&reserved=0 Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
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I'm interested in following the conversation as well, especially since I'm not going to be in Dublin - conflicting conferences. Thank you! On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 5:13 PM Amanda Taylor-Beswick via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Me too,
Thank you
On 25 Oct 2022, at 21:08, Sinan Aşçı via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hello,
I am also interested in following the conversation. Thanks in advance! :)
Sinan
Sent from my iPhone
On 25 Oct 2022, at 22:32, BERGMAN Beer via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
And me :-)
-Beer
Envoyé à partir de Outlook pour iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ De : Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> de la part de Stephanie Jo “Learning Resiliency” Kent via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Envoyé : Tuesday, October 25, 2022 8:14:02 PM À : Caroline O <rvawonk@gmail.com> Cc : Riccardo Nanni via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Me too please!
I want to keep following this conversation.
Thanks, steph
On Oct 25, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Caroline O via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I would love to be included on this email, as well. Thank you!
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 1:08 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Great to see so many folks interested in this idea. In order to stop spamming everyone else on the AoIR list, I’ll email all the people who responded with interest in a separate message, and propose a time to meet up in Dublin.
If anyone is interested and doesn’t hear from me in the next hour or two, please feel free to reach out directly at aram@american.edu<mailto: aram@american.edu> and I’ll invite you as well.
Onwards and upwards.
Aram
On Oct 25, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote:
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Having just attended Roel's workshop on Hometown/Mastodon this past May, I can tell everyone interested in this that Roel and his colleagues are *extremely* adept at setting up, administering, moderating, and developing alternative social media that is ethical and inclusive. If we can get Roel and Varia/LURK to help, things will go well!
- Rob
On 10/25/22 11:07, Roel Roscam Abbing via Air-L wrote: Nice to see where this thread is going!
If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the subject.
I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018 (
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://post.lurk.org/about/__;!!IaT_gp1N!2e2RrN...
) and together with LURK, the association I am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter (example:
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Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online!
all the best,
Roel
On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote: Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance.
--Alex
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I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.)
If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick
On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse.
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However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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Hi
I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote: I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social. Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
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Yeah, I agree the Mastodon on-boarding experience leaves something to be desired. The process of discovering accounts to follow is particularly baffling. That's why I figured it might be nice to share our handles so we could start following each other (and snowball from there as we see retweets... sorry "boosts" of other accounts of interest). Once you have some people to read and talk to, the experience feels very much like twitter, so far as I can tell. In the long term, might be something that could be fixed via engagement with the codebase.... - Andy Famiglietti New Media Scholar, Intermittent Wikipedian, Vaguely Humanoid On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 1:51 PM l k via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I'm interested in following the conversation as well, especially since I'm not going to be in Dublin - conflicting conferences. Thank you!
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 5:13 PM Amanda Taylor-Beswick via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Me too,
Thank you
On 25 Oct 2022, at 21:08, Sinan Aşçı via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hello,
I am also interested in following the conversation. Thanks in advance! :)
Sinan
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On 25 Oct 2022, at 22:32, BERGMAN Beer via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
And me :-)
-Beer
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Me too please!
I want to keep following this conversation.
Thanks, steph
On Oct 25, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Caroline O via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I would love to be included on this email, as well. Thank you!
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 1:08 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Great to see so many folks interested in this idea. In order to stop spamming everyone else on the AoIR list, I’ll email all the people who responded with interest in a separate message, and propose a time to meet up in Dublin.
If anyone is interested and doesn’t hear from me in the next hour or two, please feel free to reach out directly at aram@american.edu<mailto: aram@american.edu> and I’ll invite you as well.
Onwards and upwards.
Aram
On Oct 25, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote:
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Having just attended Roel's workshop on Hometown/Mastodon this past May, I can tell everyone interested in this that Roel and his colleagues are *extremely* adept at setting up, administering, moderating, and developing alternative social media that is ethical and inclusive. If we can get Roel and Varia/LURK to help, things will go well!
- Rob
> On 10/25/22 11:07, Roel Roscam Abbing via Air-L wrote: Nice to see where this thread is going!
If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the subject.
I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018 (
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://post.lurk.org/about/__;!!IaT_gp1N!2e2RrN...
) and together with LURK, the association I am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter (example:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://txt.lurk.org/how-to-run-a-small-social-n...
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Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online!
all the best,
Roel
> On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote: Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
> On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance.
--Alex
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I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.)
If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick
> On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse.
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However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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Hi
I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
> On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote: I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social. Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
> On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
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Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
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Hello - I'd like to be a part of this as well. On Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 4:02 PM Sinan Aşçı via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hello,
I am also interested in following the conversation. Thanks in advance! :)
Sinan
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On 25 Oct 2022, at 22:32, BERGMAN Beer via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
And me :-)
-Beer
Envoyé à partir de Outlook pour iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ De : Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> de la part de Stephanie Jo “Learning Resiliency” Kent via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Envoyé : Tuesday, October 25, 2022 8:14:02 PM À : Caroline O <rvawonk@gmail.com> Cc : Riccardo Nanni via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Me too please!
I want to keep following this conversation.
Thanks, steph
On Oct 25, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Caroline O via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I would love to be included on this email, as well. Thank you!
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 1:08 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Great to see so many folks interested in this idea. In order to stop spamming everyone else on the AoIR list, I’ll email all the people who responded with interest in a separate message, and propose a time to meet up in Dublin.
If anyone is interested and doesn’t hear from me in the next hour or two, please feel free to reach out directly at aram@american.edu<mailto: aram@american.edu> and I’ll invite you as well.
Onwards and upwards.
Aram
On Oct 25, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote:
External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Having just attended Roel's workshop on Hometown/Mastodon this past May, I can tell everyone interested in this that Roel and his colleagues are *extremely* adept at setting up, administering, moderating, and developing alternative social media that is ethical and inclusive. If we can get Roel and Varia/LURK to help, things will go well!
- Rob
On 10/25/22 11:07, Roel Roscam Abbing via Air-L wrote: Nice to see where this thread is going!
If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the subject.
I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018 (
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) and together with LURK, the association I am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter (example:
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Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online!
all the best,
Roel
On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote: Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance.
--Alex
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I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.)
If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here. -- rick
On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
Nice to meet other Masto users.
Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse.
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However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
--Alex
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Hi
I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server... ________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM To: Robert W Gehl <lists@robertwgehl.org> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Hi all I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
Be good, Fenwick
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in my presentation at AOIR.
- Rob
On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote: I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social. Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
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ata=5tG1SDjkqL5jXv%2FR3p7f7FCFGqkv5jMPrvez%2FSKdUEU%3D&reserved=0 Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
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Super interested in this Aram and all! Btw you may know about this already but a few years ago there was an effort to buy Twitter on behalf of its users and turn it into a cooperative. There is now a movement to see if there is scope to imagine an alternative platform - see here <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEhpgWBcg5v-pw2jgNQeBioABJaO5l-hl_lhDh88CYfzi8sw/viewform?link_id=0&can_id=ef7bc98d850063290e9a252158eab395&source=email-test-10880&email_referrer=email_1719107&email_subject=twitter-users-lets-imagine-a-platform-where> for more details. Disclaimer: I am not involved in running this initiative but I plan to participate. All the best, Eugenia On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 6:32 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
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Hi, Some have started using Tribel as an alternative... Any thoughts/experience using the platform? Warm Regards, Supriti On Fri, 28 Oct 2022, 20:43 Eugenia Siapera via Air-L, < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Super interested in this Aram and all!
Btw you may know about this already but a few years ago there was an effort to buy Twitter on behalf of its users and turn it into a cooperative. There is now a movement to see if there is scope to imagine an alternative platform - see here < https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEhpgWBcg5v-pw2jgNQeBioABJaO5l-hl_...
for more details. Disclaimer: I am not involved in running this initiative but I plan to participate.
All the best, Eugenia
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 6:32 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
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BTW I went on Mastodon today and was ... baffled. There is even a "see help section below" ... with no help section below. I get that it is a collaborative thing and I very much appreciate the concept etc. but it's a bit of a closed world ... Couldn't even figure out where to start. OK, probably should have tried harder but if the interface is baffling to someone who spends a lot of time studying social media ... what would it be to a more casual user? Sarah Sarah Oates Pronoun: she/her Professor and Senior Scholar Philip Merrill College of Journalism Distinguished Scholar-Teacher University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742 Email: soates@umd.edu Phone: 301 455 2332 www.media-politics.com Twitter: @media_politics *Support the UMD Student Crisis Fund <https://giving.umd.edu/giving/showPage.php?name=crisis-funding> today. * On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 12:36 PM supriti malhotra via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi,
Some have started using Tribel as an alternative... Any thoughts/experience using the platform?
Warm Regards, Supriti
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022, 20:43 Eugenia Siapera via Air-L, < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Super interested in this Aram and all!
Btw you may know about this already but a few years ago there was an effort to buy Twitter on behalf of its users and turn it into a cooperative. There is now a movement to see if there is scope to imagine an alternative platform - see here <
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEhpgWBcg5v-pw2jgNQeBioABJaO5l-hl_...
for more details. Disclaimer: I am not involved in running this initiative but I plan to participate.
All the best, Eugenia
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 6:32 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured
on
insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
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Agree - if we are going to shift to another platform it needs to be accessible. Emma On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 at 13:09, Sarah Ann Oates via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
BTW I went on Mastodon today and was ... baffled. There is even a "see help section below" ... with no help section below. I get that it is a collaborative thing and I very much appreciate the concept etc. but it's a bit of a closed world ... Couldn't even figure out where to start. OK, probably should have tried harder but if the interface is baffling to someone who spends a lot of time studying social media ... what would it be to a more casual user? Sarah
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On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 12:36 PM supriti malhotra via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi,
Some have started using Tribel as an alternative... Any thoughts/experience using the platform?
Warm Regards, Supriti
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022, 20:43 Eugenia Siapera via Air-L, < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Super interested in this Aram and all!
Btw you may know about this already but a few years ago there was an effort to buy Twitter on behalf of its users and turn it into a cooperative. There is now a movement to see if there is scope to imagine an alternative platform - see here <
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEhpgWBcg5v-pw2jgNQeBioABJaO5l-hl_...
for more details. Disclaimer: I am not involved in running this initiative but I plan to participate.
All the best, Eugenia
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 6:32 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most
powerful
regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because
of
the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
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Hi Sarah, this is a decent Masto-101 page that I've referred to a few times already today: https://mastodon.help/ On 28 Oct 2022, at 12:40, Sarah Ann Oates via Air-L wrote:
BTW I went on Mastodon today and was ... baffled. There is even a "see help section below" ... with no help section below. I get that it is a collaborative thing and I very much appreciate the concept etc. but it's a bit of a closed world ... Couldn't even figure out where to start. OK, probably should have tried harder but if the interface is baffling to someone who spends a lot of time studying social media ... what would it be to a more casual user? Sarah
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On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 12:36 PM supriti malhotra via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi,
Some have started using Tribel as an alternative... Any thoughts/experience using the platform?
Warm Regards, Supriti
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022, 20:43 Eugenia Siapera via Air-L, < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Super interested in this Aram and all!
Btw you may know about this already but a few years ago there was an effort to buy Twitter on behalf of its users and turn it into a cooperative. There is now a movement to see if there is scope to imagine an alternative platform - see here <
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEhpgWBcg5v-pw2jgNQeBioABJaO5l-hl_...
for more details. Disclaimer: I am not involved in running this initiative but I plan to participate.
All the best, Eugenia
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 6:32 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured
on
insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
-- Dr. Stuart W. Shulman Founder and CEO, Texifter Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics* _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers
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It is very different, in part because it's not what we're used to. I'm thinking of writing a guide for new users, but in the meantime, please reach out if I can be of help. - Rob On 10/28/22 12:40, Sarah Ann Oates via Air-L wrote:
BTW I went on Mastodon today and was ... baffled. There is even a "see help section below" ... with no help section below. I get that it is a collaborative thing and I very much appreciate the concept etc. but it's a bit of a closed world ... Couldn't even figure out where to start. OK, probably should have tried harder but if the interface is baffling to someone who spends a lot of time studying social media ... what would it be to a more casual user? Sarah
Sarah Oates Pronoun: she/her
Professor and Senior Scholar Philip Merrill College of Journalism Distinguished Scholar-Teacher University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742 Email: soates@umd.edu Phone: 301 455 2332 www.media-politics.com Twitter: @media_politics
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On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 12:36 PM supriti malhotra via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi,
Some have started using Tribel as an alternative... Any thoughts/experience using the platform?
Warm Regards, Supriti
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022, 20:43 Eugenia Siapera via Air-L, < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Super interested in this Aram and all!
Btw you may know about this already but a few years ago there was an effort to buy Twitter on behalf of its users and turn it into a cooperative. There is now a movement to see if there is scope to imagine an alternative platform - see here <
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEhpgWBcg5v-pw2jgNQeBioABJaO5l-hl_...
for more details. Disclaimer: I am not involved in running this initiative but I plan to participate.
All the best, Eugenia
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 6:32 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
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I would second Sarah and also add moving ~7000 periodic users of a listserv to a private space or many distributed spaces does not address some of the questions initially raised. Super interesting idea of a break away digital republic, but what of the 100 million daily users left behind on Twitter? My questions were about the future of democracy and academic research using Twitter data. Will the academic research team at Twitter (small) and the quota of 10 million Tweets per month via a web interface from the full undeleted history of Twitter (large) be here in 30 days? On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 1:10 PM Sarah Ann Oates via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
BTW I went on Mastodon today and was ... baffled. There is even a "see help section below" ... with no help section below. I get that it is a collaborative thing and I very much appreciate the concept etc. but it's a bit of a closed world ... Couldn't even figure out where to start. OK, probably should have tried harder but if the interface is baffling to someone who spends a lot of time studying social media ... what would it be to a more casual user? Sarah
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On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 12:36 PM supriti malhotra via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi,
Some have started using Tribel as an alternative... Any thoughts/experience using the platform?
Warm Regards, Supriti
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022, 20:43 Eugenia Siapera via Air-L, < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Super interested in this Aram and all!
Btw you may know about this already but a few years ago there was an effort to buy Twitter on behalf of its users and turn it into a cooperative. There is now a movement to see if there is scope to imagine an alternative platform - see here <
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEhpgWBcg5v-pw2jgNQeBioABJaO5l-hl_...
for more details. Disclaimer: I am not involved in running this initiative but I plan to participate.
All the best, Eugenia
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 6:32 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon instance, open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
Glad to discuss in Dublin.
On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
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Hi Stu -
Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter. I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it, but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu, I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1]. By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year, depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
Stay tuned, I guess...
-- rick
[1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/129423037__;!!IaT_gp1N!0Ghlkf1...
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most
powerful
regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls__;!!IaT...
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because
of
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-- Dr. Stuart W. Shulman Founder and CEO, Texifter Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics*
Hi Everyone. I pitched and wrote a piece today and they also just put it up today. I couldn’t get all of the issues in such a short article, but I hope you enjoy it: https://www.fastcompany.com/90802723/hello-elon-goodbye-the-twitter-we-once-... Sally Sally Applin, Ph.D. ………. Voted one of Lighthouse 3’s '100 Brilliant Women in AI Ethics for 2020" ………. Research Fellow HRAF Advanced Research Centres (EU), Canterbury Centre for Social Anthropology and Computing (CSAC) .......... Research Associate Human Relations Area Files (HRAF) Yale University .......... Member, Shortwave Collective Member, IoT Council .......... http://www.posr.org http://www.sally.com ……... ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-2443-5530 .......... sally@sally.com | 650.339.5236 I am based in Silicon Valley "If you think technology will solve your problems, you don’t understand technology — and you don’t understand your problems.” - Laurie Anderson, 2020
On Oct 21, 2022, at 4:43 AM, Shulman, Stu via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" https://vimeo.com/129423037
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
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Hi All, Looks like the Muskpocalypse has indeed happened. I've headed over to Mastodon and the platform seems basically viable so far. The federated server design is appealing, as it avoids a single company calling the shots and defining a business model. Could be worth a try? Do we want to set up a shared Google Doc with AOIR folks mastodon handles so we can find and follow each other? - Andy Famiglietti New Media Scholar, Intermittent Wikipedian, Vaguely Humanoid On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 11:57 PM S.A. Applin via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi Everyone.
I pitched and wrote a piece today and they also just put it up today. I couldn’t get all of the issues in such a short article, but I hope you enjoy it:
https://www.fastcompany.com/90802723/hello-elon-goodbye-the-twitter-we-once-...
Sally
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I am based in Silicon Valley
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On Oct 21, 2022, at 4:43 AM, Shulman, Stu via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" https://vimeo.com/129423037
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
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I'll take a stab at hosting the shared Twitter exodus follow-me-here document for a while .... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TxMjd7m3wixFNN38h2qyC5hcnMI1Peebp74d... On 28 Oct 2022, at 8:38, Andy Famiglietti via Air-L wrote:
Hi All,
Looks like the Muskpocalypse has indeed happened. I've headed over to Mastodon and the platform seems basically viable so far. The federated server design is appealing, as it avoids a single company calling the shots and defining a business model. Could be worth a try?
Do we want to set up a shared Google Doc with AOIR folks mastodon handles so we can find and follow each other?
- Andy Famiglietti New Media Scholar, Intermittent Wikipedian, Vaguely Humanoid
On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 11:57 PM S.A. Applin via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi Everyone.
I pitched and wrote a piece today and they also just put it up today. I couldn’t get all of the issues in such a short article, but I hope you enjoy it:
https://www.fastcompany.com/90802723/hello-elon-goodbye-the-twitter-we-once-...
Sally
Sally Applin, Ph.D. ………. Voted one of Lighthouse 3’s '100 Brilliant Women in AI Ethics for 2020" ………. Research Fellow HRAF Advanced Research Centres (EU), Canterbury Centre for Social Anthropology and Computing (CSAC) .......... Research Associate Human Relations Area Files (HRAF) Yale University .......... Member, Shortwave Collective Member, IoT Council .......... http://www.posr.org http://www.sally.com ……... ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-2443-5530 .......... sally@sally.com | 650.339.5236
I am based in Silicon Valley
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On Oct 21, 2022, at 4:43 AM, Shulman, Stu via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" https://vimeo.com/129423037
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
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Hi, all -- I'm seeing a great deal of new members of the fediverse, particularly Mastodon. Welcome! I'm @robertwgehl@scholar.social if you want to connect. In addition to Mastodon, I also want to suggest Pixelfed. Pixelfed is meant to be Instagram-like. If you like sharing photos and videos as your main way of engaging, it's a good option. Like Mastodon, Pixelfed runs on ActivityPub. (AP is a protocol that allows all these servers to connect -- it's kinda like SMTP). Plus, even if you're on a Pixelfed instance, you can *still follow people on Mastodon.* They can see your pictures, and you can see their text posts. In fact, from Pixelfed (or Mastodon), you can follow people on other ActivityPub-powered servers, from video sharing to book and music sharing. And, in case you're wondering "Do I need both Pixelfed *and* Mastodon *and* (fill in the blank)?", I'd say no because of the fact that you can follow people across them. I predominantly use Mastodon but I follow Pixelfed and Misskey users and see their posts (including pictures and videos) easily. Choosing a Pixelfed instance is a bit like choosing a Mastodon one -- take a look at the community rules before you sign up. - Rob On 10/28/22 08:38, Andy Famiglietti via Air-L wrote:
Hi All,
Looks like the Muskpocalypse has indeed happened. I've headed over to Mastodon and the platform seems basically viable so far. The federated server design is appealing, as it avoids a single company calling the shots and defining a business model. Could be worth a try?
Do we want to set up a shared Google Doc with AOIR folks mastodon handles so we can find and follow each other?
- Andy Famiglietti New Media Scholar, Intermittent Wikipedian, Vaguely Humanoid
On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 11:57 PM S.A. Applin via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi Everyone.
I pitched and wrote a piece today and they also just put it up today. I couldn’t get all of the issues in such a short article, but I hope you enjoy it:
https://www.fastcompany.com/90802723/hello-elon-goodbye-the-twitter-we-once-...
Sally
Sally Applin, Ph.D. ………. Voted one of Lighthouse 3’s '100 Brilliant Women in AI Ethics for 2020" ………. Research Fellow HRAF Advanced Research Centres (EU), Canterbury Centre for Social Anthropology and Computing (CSAC) .......... Research Associate Human Relations Area Files (HRAF) Yale University .......... Member, Shortwave Collective Member, IoT Council .......... http://www.posr.org http://www.sally.com ……... ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-2443-5530 .......... sally@sally.com | 650.339.5236
I am based in Silicon Valley
"If you think technology will solve your problems, you don’t understand technology — and you don’t understand your problems.” - Laurie Anderson, 2020
On Oct 21, 2022, at 4:43 AM, Shulman, Stu via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" https://vimeo.com/129423037
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
-- Dr. Stuart W. Shulman Founder and CEO, Texifter Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics* _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
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Great piece, just sent it to all my students! I think (subversively) I'll tweet it is as well .... while we still can :) Sarah Sarah Oates Pronoun: she/her Professor and Senior Scholar Philip Merrill College of Journalism Distinguished Scholar-Teacher University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742 Email: soates@umd.edu Phone: 301 455 2332 www.media-politics.com Twitter: @media_politics *Support the UMD Student Crisis Fund <https://giving.umd.edu/giving/showPage.php?name=crisis-funding> today. * On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 11:53 PM S.A. Applin via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi Everyone.
I pitched and wrote a piece today and they also just put it up today. I couldn’t get all of the issues in such a short article, but I hope you enjoy it:
https://www.fastcompany.com/90802723/hello-elon-goodbye-the-twitter-we-once-...
Sally
Sally Applin, Ph.D. ………. Voted one of Lighthouse 3’s '100 Brilliant Women in AI Ethics for 2020" ………. Research Fellow HRAF Advanced Research Centres (EU), Canterbury Centre for Social Anthropology and Computing (CSAC) .......... Research Associate Human Relations Area Files (HRAF) Yale University .......... Member, Shortwave Collective Member, IoT Council .......... http://www.posr.org http://www.sally.com ……... ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-2443-5530 .......... sally@sally.com | 650.339.5236
I am based in Silicon Valley
"If you think technology will solve your problems, you don’t understand technology — and you don’t understand your problems.” - Laurie Anderson, 2020
On Oct 21, 2022, at 4:43 AM, Shulman, Stu via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" https://vimeo.com/129423037
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
-- Dr. Stuart W. Shulman Founder and CEO, Texifter Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics* _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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Thank you! Appreciate your tweeting it, too! -Sally ________________________________ From: Sarah Ann Oates <soates@umd.edu> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 6:28 AM To: sally@sally.com <sally@sally.com> Cc: Shulman, Stu <stu@texifter.com>; aoir list (air-l@aoir.org) <air-l@aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk? Great piece, just sent it to all my students! I think (subversively) I'll tweet it is as well .... while we still can :) Sarah Sarah Oates Pronoun: she/her Professor and Senior Scholar Philip Merrill College of Journalism Distinguished Scholar-Teacher University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742 Email: soates@umd.edu<mailto:soates@umd.edu> Phone: 301 455 2332 www.media-politics.com<http://www.media-politics.com> Twitter: @media_politics Support the UMD Student Crisis Fund<https://giving.umd.edu/giving/showPage.php?name=crisis-funding> today. On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 11:53 PM S.A. Applin via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote: Hi Everyone. I pitched and wrote a piece today and they also just put it up today. I couldn’t get all of the issues in such a short article, but I hope you enjoy it: https://www.fastcompany.com/90802723/hello-elon-goodbye-the-twitter-we-once-... Sally Sally Applin, Ph.D. ………. Voted one of Lighthouse 3’s '100 Brilliant Women in AI Ethics for 2020" ………. Research Fellow HRAF Advanced Research Centres (EU), Canterbury Centre for Social Anthropology and Computing (CSAC) .......... Research Associate Human Relations Area Files (HRAF) Yale University .......... Member, Shortwave Collective Member, IoT Council .......... http://www.posr.org http://www.sally.com ……... ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-2443-5530 .......... sally@sally.com<mailto:sally@sally.com> | 650.339.5236 I am based in Silicon Valley "If you think technology will solve your problems, you don’t understand technology — and you don’t understand your problems.” - Laurie Anderson, 2020
On Oct 21, 2022, at 4:43 AM, Shulman, Stu via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" https://vimeo.com/129423037
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
-- Dr. Stuart W. Shulman Founder and CEO, Texifter Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics* _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:Air-L@listserv.aoir.org> mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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A quick anecdote to support getting in now if you want Twitter data: I've limped along on the basic 'live' API for a bunch of half-finished projects. Applied for the full academic product and had the application approved within a few days. Best, Ben On Sat, Oct 29, 2022, 08:41 sally--- via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Thank you!
Appreciate your tweeting it, too!
-Sally ________________________________ From: Sarah Ann Oates <soates@umd.edu> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 6:28 AM To: sally@sally.com <sally@sally.com> Cc: Shulman, Stu <stu@texifter.com>; aoir list (air-l@aoir.org) < air-l@aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Great piece, just sent it to all my students! I think (subversively) I'll tweet it is as well .... while we still can :) Sarah
Sarah Oates Pronoun: she/her
Professor and Senior Scholar Philip Merrill College of Journalism Distinguished Scholar-Teacher University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742 Email: soates@umd.edu<mailto:soates@umd.edu> Phone: 301 455 2332 www.media-politics.com<http://www.media-politics.com> Twitter: @media_politics
Support the UMD Student Crisis Fund< https://giving.umd.edu/giving/showPage.php?name=crisis-funding> today.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 11:53 PM S.A. Applin via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote: Hi Everyone.
I pitched and wrote a piece today and they also just put it up today. I couldn’t get all of the issues in such a short article, but I hope you enjoy it:
https://www.fastcompany.com/90802723/hello-elon-goodbye-the-twitter-we-once-...
Sally
Sally Applin, Ph.D. ………. Voted one of Lighthouse 3’s '100 Brilliant Women in AI Ethics for 2020" ………. Research Fellow HRAF Advanced Research Centres (EU), Canterbury Centre for Social Anthropology and Computing (CSAC) .......... Research Associate Human Relations Area Files (HRAF) Yale University .......... Member, Shortwave Collective Member, IoT Council .......... http://www.posr.org http://www.sally.com ……... ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-2443-5530 .......... sally@sally.com<mailto:sally@sally.com> | 650.339.5236
I am based in Silicon Valley
"If you think technology will solve your problems, you don’t understand technology — and you don’t understand your problems.” - Laurie Anderson, 2020
On Oct 21, 2022, at 4:43 AM, Shulman, Stu via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote:
Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do content moderation? Is this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to happen. After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it can be inspiring.
It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems of government globally. As an original Board Member and the Treasurer of a 501 (c)(6) called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to academia with a group of industry people on the "long term preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived, but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years ago:
"Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative" https://vimeo.com/129423037
Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines, is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline. Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality, gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we found in the Canadian election of 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today and Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter. Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that briefing. These were the slides in early February 2020:
https://tinyurl.com/huntingbotsandtrolls
Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history. We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot fully see, capture, measure, or control.
-- Dr. Stuart W. Shulman Founder and CEO, Texifter Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics* _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:Air-L@listserv.aoir.org> mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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