Is there any published research on "trolling"?
Hello everyone, I am new to Internet research, and I was wondering if anyone had published anything on "trolling"? Trolling is a big problem in the blogosphere, and I am interested in ways to combat it. I come from a bioinformatics background, and I have devised an experiment, based on randomized double-blind controlled trials, to test the various ways to combat trolling. Would anyone be interested in such a trial? Thanks, Tom ------------------------------------- Read by blog at www.skepticcanary.com
Whitney Phillips at the University of Oregon just defended her ethnographic dissertation on trolling actually! I don't think it's online yet but if you reach out I'm sure she'll be amicable about a copy. Sent from phone. - Alex Leavitt On Jul 25, 2012 12:14 AM, "Tom Williamson" <tom@skepticcanary.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am new to Internet research, and I was wondering if anyone had published anything on "trolling"? Trolling is a big problem in the blogosphere, and I am interested in ways to combat it.
I come from a bioinformatics background, and I have devised an experiment, based on randomized double-blind controlled trials, to test the various ways to combat trolling. Would anyone be interested in such a trial?
Thanks,
Tom
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Hi, Tom, In addition to Alex's good suggestion, I'd recommend searching the Journal of Computer-Mediated Communication. I seem to recall at least a few trolling papers in there. Best wishes with your work, Peter On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Alex Leavitt <alexleavitt@gmail.com> wrote:
Whitney Phillips at the University of Oregon just defended her ethnographic dissertation on trolling actually! I don't think it's online yet but if you reach out I'm sure she'll be amicable about a copy.
Sent from phone. - Alex Leavitt On Jul 25, 2012 12:14 AM, "Tom Williamson" <tom@skepticcanary.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am new to Internet research, and I was wondering if anyone had published anything on "trolling"? Trolling is a big problem in the blogosphere, and I am interested in ways to combat it.
I come from a bioinformatics background, and I have devised an experiment, based on randomized double-blind controlled trials, to test the various ways to combat trolling. Would anyone be interested in such a trial?
Thanks,
Tom
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Hi Tom, You might check out the following pieces from Gabriella Coleman: "Phreaks, Hackers, and Trolls and the Politics of Transgression and Spectacle." In _The Social Media Reader_, ed. Michael Mandiberg. New York: NYU Press, 2012. "Hacker and Troller as Trickster." http://gabriellacoleman.org/blog/?p=1902 Best, Matt -- Matthew K. Gold, Ph.D. http://mkgold.net | @mkgold On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Tom Williamson <tom@skepticcanary.com>wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am new to Internet research, and I was wondering if anyone had published anything on "trolling"? Trolling is a big problem in the blogosphere, and I am interested in ways to combat it.
I come from a bioinformatics background, and I have devised an experiment, based on randomized double-blind controlled trials, to test the various ways to combat trolling. Would anyone be interested in such a trial?
Thanks,
Tom
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Hi Tom, It is on the old side (talks about trolling in UseNet etc.), but I think Judith Donath's "Identity Deception in the Virtual World" from Kollock and Smith (eds.) Communities in Cyberspace is really really excellent. It talks about how trolling is a form of identity signaling/identity deception with specific community level ramifications and goals. It is absolutely worth a read and quite highly cited (~910 cites). In fact, I imagine perusing the google scholar list of articles that cite it would be of help to you as well. Here is an html version of the paper: http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/judith/Identity/IdentityDeception.html Best, Zander On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:11 PM, matt g wrote:
Hi Tom,
You might check out the following pieces from Gabriella Coleman:
"Phreaks, Hackers, and Trolls and the Politics of Transgression and Spectacle." In _The Social Media Reader_, ed. Michael Mandiberg. New York: NYU Press, 2012.
"Hacker and Troller as Trickster." http://gabriellacoleman.org/blog/?p=1902
Best,
Matt -- Matthew K. Gold, Ph.D. http://mkgold.net | @mkgold
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Tom Williamson <tom@skepticcanary.com>wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am new to Internet research, and I was wondering if anyone had published anything on "trolling"? Trolling is a big problem in the blogosphere, and I am interested in ways to combat it.
I come from a bioinformatics background, and I have devised an experiment, based on randomized double-blind controlled trials, to test the various ways to combat trolling. Would anyone be interested in such a trial?
Thanks,
Tom
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Susan Herring and her colleagues have published this paper on trolling in feminist forums: http://www-bcf.usc.edu/~fulk/620overview_files/Herring.pdf On 7/25/12 11:33 AM, "Alexander Furnas" <zfurnas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom, It is on the old side (talks about trolling in UseNet etc.), but I think Judith Donath's "Identity Deception in the Virtual World" from Kollock and Smith (eds.) Communities in Cyberspace is really really excellent. It talks about how trolling is a form of identity signaling/identity deception with specific community level ramifications and goals. It is absolutely worth a read and quite highly cited (~910 cites). In fact, I imagine perusing the google scholar list of articles that cite it would be of help to you as well. Here is an html version of the paper: http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/judith/Identity/IdentityDeception.html
Best, Zander On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:11 PM, matt g wrote:
Hi Tom,
You might check out the following pieces from Gabriella Coleman:
"Phreaks, Hackers, and Trolls and the Politics of Transgression and Spectacle." In _The Social Media Reader_, ed. Michael Mandiberg. New York: NYU Press, 2012.
"Hacker and Troller as Trickster." http://gabriellacoleman.org/blog/?p=1902
Best,
Matt -- Matthew K. Gold, Ph.D. http://mkgold.net | @mkgold
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Tom Williamson <tom@skepticcanary.com>wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am new to Internet research, and I was wondering if anyone had published anything on "trolling"? Trolling is a big problem in the blogosphere, and I am interested in ways to combat it.
I come from a bioinformatics background, and I have devised an experiment, based on randomized double-blind controlled trials, to test the various ways to combat trolling. Would anyone be interested in such a trial?
Thanks,
Tom
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I am also co-authoring a book with Peter Ludlow called Griefer Wars that focuses on trolling and griefing in online and virtual spaces. But not published yet... Sent from Merlin On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Alexander Furnas <zfurnas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom, It is on the old side (talks about trolling in UseNet etc.), but I think Judith Donath's "Identity Deception in the Virtual World" from Kollock and Smith (eds.) Communities in Cyberspace is really really excellent. It talks about how trolling is a form of identity signaling/identity deception with specific community level ramifications and goals. It is absolutely worth a read and quite highly cited (~910 cites). In fact, I imagine perusing the google scholar list of articles that cite it would be of help to you as well. Here is an html version of the paper: http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/judith/Identity/IdentityDeception.html
Best, Zander On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:11 PM, matt g wrote:
Hi Tom,
You might check out the following pieces from Gabriella Coleman:
"Phreaks, Hackers, and Trolls and the Politics of Transgression and Spectacle." In _The Social Media Reader_, ed. Michael Mandiberg. New York: NYU Press, 2012.
"Hacker and Troller as Trickster." http://gabriellacoleman.org/blog/?p=1902
Best,
Matt -- Matthew K. Gold, Ph.D. http://mkgold.net | @mkgold
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Tom Williamson <tom@skepticcanary.com>wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am new to Internet research, and I was wondering if anyone had published anything on "trolling"? Trolling is a big problem in the blogosphere, and I am interested in ways to combat it.
I come from a bioinformatics background, and I have devised an experiment, based on randomized double-blind controlled trials, to test the various ways to combat trolling. Would anyone be interested in such a trial?
Thanks,
Tom
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don't feed the trolls. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Burcu Bakioglu <bbakiogl@gmail.com> wrote:
I am also co-authoring a book with Peter Ludlow called Griefer Wars that focuses on trolling and griefing in online and virtual spaces. But not published yet...
Sent from Merlin
On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Alexander Furnas <zfurnas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom, It is on the old side (talks about trolling in UseNet etc.), but I think Judith Donath's "Identity Deception in the Virtual World" from Kollock and Smith (eds.) Communities in Cyberspace is really really excellent. It talks about how trolling is a form of identity signaling/identity deception with specific community level ramifications and goals. It is absolutely worth a read and quite highly cited (~910 cites). In fact, I imagine perusing the google scholar list of articles that cite it would be of help to you as well. Here is an html version of the paper: http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/judith/Identity/IdentityDeception.html
Best, Zander On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:11 PM, matt g wrote:
Hi Tom,
You might check out the following pieces from Gabriella Coleman:
"Phreaks, Hackers, and Trolls and the Politics of Transgression and Spectacle." In _The Social Media Reader_, ed. Michael Mandiberg. New York: NYU Press, 2012.
"Hacker and Troller as Trickster." http://gabriellacoleman.org/blog/?p=1902
Best,
Matt -- Matthew K. Gold, Ph.D. http://mkgold.net | @mkgold
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Tom Williamson <tom@skepticcanary.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am new to Internet research, and I was wondering if anyone had published anything on "trolling"? Trolling is a big problem in the blogosphere, and I am interested in ways to combat it.
I come from a bioinformatics background, and I have devised an experiment, based on randomized double-blind controlled trials, to test the various ways to combat trolling. Would anyone be interested in such a trial?
Thanks,
Tom
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Lost the original message, but I would be apprehensive about being able to fight or combat trolling, psychologically or sociotechnically. Online community governance is a slippery slope sometimes. Though, I would be interested in reading Griefer Wars when published. Thomas Jones @othertomjones http://about.me/othertomjones Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:38 AM, "Burcu Bakioglu" <bbakiogl@gmail.com> wrote:
I am also co-authoring a book with Peter Ludlow called Griefer Wars that focuses on trolling and griefing in online and virtual spaces. But not published yet...
Sent from Merlin
On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Alexander Furnas <zfurnas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom, It is on the old side (talks about trolling in UseNet etc.), but I think Judith Donath's "Identity Deception in the Virtual World" from Kollock and Smith (eds.) Communities in Cyberspace is really really excellent. It talks about how trolling is a form of identity signaling/identity deception with specific community level ramifications and goals. It is absolutely worth a read and quite highly cited (~910 cites). In fact, I imagine perusing the google scholar list of articles that cite it would be of help to you as well. Here is an html version of the paper: http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/judith/Identity/IdentityDeception.html
Best, Zander On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:11 PM, matt g wrote:
Hi Tom,
You might check out the following pieces from Gabriella Coleman:
"Phreaks, Hackers, and Trolls and the Politics of Transgression and Spectacle." In _The Social Media Reader_, ed. Michael Mandiberg. New York: NYU Press, 2012.
"Hacker and Troller as Trickster." http://gabriellacoleman.org/blog/?p=1902
Best,
Matt -- Matthew K. Gold, Ph.D. http://mkgold.net | @mkgold
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Tom Williamson <tom@skepticcanary.com>wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am new to Internet research, and I was wondering if anyone had published anything on "trolling"? Trolling is a big problem in the blogosphere, and I am interested in ways to combat it.
I come from a bioinformatics background, and I have devised an experiment, based on randomized double-blind controlled trials, to test the various ways to combat trolling. Would anyone be interested in such a trial?
Thanks,
Tom
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I agree with Thomas over here. Fighting trolling is a losing business, the more you respond, thousand times more they respond. All of these readings mentioned here possibly won't give you any more insight on fighting it. Especially in virtual worlds this is rampant under a slightly different name: griefing, but it is the same deal. i have a long list of reading on the phenomena but didn't want to spam everyone with the reading list. If you are genuinely trying to stop trolling on your blog or anywhere else: -ignore disruptive behavior... these guys are mainly attention whores (their term, not mine). So if you ignore them, they get bored and go away... -turn on any protective settings like moderation, if you are in a virtual world you would have ban capabilities in your sim/region -in the online piece that someone else had mentioned, Judith Donath's piece, there are some useful cues and how these guys act. The piece is a bit outdated but still useful. Donath mentions: They usually pretend to be in on the cause and start asking silly questions, you explain, they pretend not to understand, you explain more etc... In Second Life for instance, the blogger/character Prokovy Nova pretends to fight griefers and defend free speech and stuff, and at the same time, trolls and antagonizes bunch of blogs from Henry Jenkin's blog to Techcruch to Terra Nova with epic long blog comments... from which s/he is banned... I think she is banned from 10 blogs at least. -or they attack you somehow, you defend, they attack more etc... -Also in Cole Stryker's Epic Win for Anonymous, there is a useful troll category list earlier in the book... the book is not exclusively about trolling, but it does touch upon it... It takes various shapes and forms. But the truism is the same: don't feed the troll. Meaning ignore/delete/block... fighting is not an option. My two cents... BsB On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Thomas Jones <tajone02@syr.edu> wrote:
Lost the original message, but I would be apprehensive about being able to fight or combat trolling, psychologically or sociotechnically. Online community governance is a slippery slope sometimes.
Though, I would be interested in reading Griefer Wars when published.
Thomas Jones @othertomjones http://about.me/othertomjones
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On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:38 AM, "Burcu Bakioglu" <bbakiogl@gmail.com> wrote:
I am also co-authoring a book with Peter Ludlow called Griefer Wars that focuses on trolling and griefing in online and virtual spaces. But not published yet...
Sent from Merlin
On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Alexander Furnas <zfurnas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom, It is on the old side (talks about trolling in UseNet etc.), but I think Judith Donath's "Identity Deception in the Virtual World" from Kollock and Smith (eds.) Communities in Cyberspace is really really excellent. It talks about how trolling is a form of identity signaling/identity deception with specific community level ramifications and goals. It is absolutely worth a read and quite highly cited (~910 cites). In fact, I imagine perusing the google scholar list of articles that cite it would be of help to you as well. Here is an html version of the paper: http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/judith/Identity/IdentityDeception.html
Best, Zander On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:11 PM, matt g wrote:
Hi Tom,
You might check out the following pieces from Gabriella Coleman:
"Phreaks, Hackers, and Trolls and the Politics of Transgression and Spectacle." In _The Social Media Reader_, ed. Michael Mandiberg. New York: NYU Press, 2012.
"Hacker and Troller as Trickster." http://gabriellacoleman.org/blog/?p=1902
Best,
Matt -- Matthew K. Gold, Ph.D. http://mkgold.net | @mkgold
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Tom Williamson <tom@skepticcanary.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am new to Internet research, and I was wondering if anyone had published anything on "trolling"? Trolling is a big problem in the blogosphere, and I am interested in ways to combat it.
I come from a bioinformatics background, and I have devised an experiment, based on randomized double-blind controlled trials, to test the various ways to combat trolling. Would anyone be interested in such a trial?
Thanks,
Tom
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this is absolutely the nicest thing I've read about trolls recently, by Erin Kissane: How to Kill a Troll: http://incisive.nu/2012/how-to-kill-a-troll/ On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Burcu Bakioglu <bbakiogl@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with Thomas over here. Fighting trolling is a losing business, the more you respond, thousand times more they respond. All of these readings mentioned here possibly won't give you any more insight on fighting it. Especially in virtual worlds this is rampant under a slightly different name: griefing, but it is the same deal. i have a long list of reading on the phenomena but didn't want to spam everyone with the reading list. If you are genuinely trying to stop trolling on your blog or anywhere else:
-ignore disruptive behavior... these guys are mainly attention whores (their term, not mine). So if you ignore them, they get bored and go away... -turn on any protective settings like moderation, if you are in a virtual world you would have ban capabilities in your sim/region -in the online piece that someone else had mentioned, Judith Donath's piece, there are some useful cues and how these guys act. The piece is a bit outdated but still useful. Donath mentions: They usually pretend to be in on the cause and start asking silly questions, you explain, they pretend not to understand, you explain more etc... In Second Life for instance, the blogger/character Prokovy Nova pretends to fight griefers and defend free speech and stuff, and at the same time, trolls and antagonizes bunch of blogs from Henry Jenkin's blog to Techcruch to Terra Nova with epic long blog comments... from which s/he is banned... I think she is banned from 10 blogs at least. -or they attack you somehow, you defend, they attack more etc... -Also in Cole Stryker's Epic Win for Anonymous, there is a useful troll category list earlier in the book... the book is not exclusively about trolling, but it does touch upon it...
It takes various shapes and forms. But the truism is the same: don't feed the troll. Meaning ignore/delete/block... fighting is not an option.
My two cents...
BsB
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Thomas Jones <tajone02@syr.edu> wrote:
Lost the original message, but I would be apprehensive about being able to fight or combat trolling, psychologically or sociotechnically. Online community governance is a slippery slope sometimes.
Though, I would be interested in reading Griefer Wars when published.
Thomas Jones @othertomjones http://about.me/othertomjones
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:38 AM, "Burcu Bakioglu" <bbakiogl@gmail.com> wrote:
I am also co-authoring a book with Peter Ludlow called Griefer Wars that focuses on trolling and griefing in online and virtual spaces. But not published yet...
Sent from Merlin
On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Alexander Furnas <zfurnas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom, It is on the old side (talks about trolling in UseNet etc.), but I think Judith Donath's "Identity Deception in the Virtual World" from Kollock and Smith (eds.) Communities in Cyberspace is really really excellent. It talks about how trolling is a form of identity signaling/identity deception with specific community level ramifications and goals. It is absolutely worth a read and quite highly cited (~910 cites). In fact, I imagine perusing the google scholar list of articles that cite it would be of help to you as well. Here is an html version of the paper: http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/judith/Identity/IdentityDeception.html
Best, Zander On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:11 PM, matt g wrote:
Hi Tom,
You might check out the following pieces from Gabriella Coleman:
"Phreaks, Hackers, and Trolls and the Politics of Transgression and Spectacle." In _The Social Media Reader_, ed. Michael Mandiberg. New York: NYU Press, 2012.
"Hacker and Troller as Trickster." http://gabriellacoleman.org/blog/?p=1902
Best,
Matt -- Matthew K. Gold, Ph.D. http://mkgold.net | @mkgold
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Tom Williamson < tom@skepticcanary.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am new to Internet research, and I was wondering if anyone had published anything on "trolling"? Trolling is a big problem in the blogosphere, and I am interested in ways to combat it.
I come from a bioinformatics background, and I have devised an experiment, based on randomized double-blind controlled trials, to test the various ways to combat trolling. Would anyone be interested in such a trial?
Thanks,
Tom
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Sounds a bit abrasive. :-) Thomas Jones @othertomjones http://about.me/othertomjones Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2012, at 12:52 PM, "sava saheli singh" <savasaheli@gmail.com<mailto:savasaheli@gmail.com>> wrote: this is absolutely the nicest thing I've read about trolls recently, by Erin Kissane: How to Kill a Troll: http://incisive.nu/2012/how-to-kill-a-troll/ On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Burcu Bakioglu <bbakiogl@gmail.com<mailto:bbakiogl@gmail.com>> wrote: I agree with Thomas over here. Fighting trolling is a losing business, the more you respond, thousand times more they respond. All of these readings mentioned here possibly won't give you any more insight on fighting it. Especially in virtual worlds this is rampant under a slightly different name: griefing, but it is the same deal. i have a long list of reading on the phenomena but didn't want to spam everyone with the reading list. If you are genuinely trying to stop trolling on your blog or anywhere else: -ignore disruptive behavior... these guys are mainly attention whores (their term, not mine). So if you ignore them, they get bored and go away... -turn on any protective settings like moderation, if you are in a virtual world you would have ban capabilities in your sim/region -in the online piece that someone else had mentioned, Judith Donath's piece, there are some useful cues and how these guys act. The piece is a bit outdated but still useful. Donath mentions: They usually pretend to be in on the cause and start asking silly questions, you explain, they pretend not to understand, you explain more etc... In Second Life for instance, the blogger/character Prokovy Nova pretends to fight griefers and defend free speech and stuff, and at the same time, trolls and antagonizes bunch of blogs from Henry Jenkin's blog to Techcruch to Terra Nova with epic long blog comments... from which s/he is banned... I think she is banned from 10 blogs at least. -or they attack you somehow, you defend, they attack more etc... -Also in Cole Stryker's Epic Win for Anonymous, there is a useful troll category list earlier in the book... the book is not exclusively about trolling, but it does touch upon it... It takes various shapes and forms. But the truism is the same: don't feed the troll. Meaning ignore/delete/block... fighting is not an option. My two cents... BsB On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Thomas Jones <tajone02@syr.edu<mailto:tajone02@syr.edu>> wrote:
Lost the original message, but I would be apprehensive about being able to fight or combat trolling, psychologically or sociotechnically. Online community governance is a slippery slope sometimes.
Though, I would be interested in reading Griefer Wars when published.
Thomas Jones @othertomjones http://about.me/othertomjones
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On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:38 AM, "Burcu Bakioglu" <bbakiogl@gmail.com<mailto:bbakiogl@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am also co-authoring a book with Peter Ludlow called Griefer Wars that focuses on trolling and griefing in online and virtual spaces. But not published yet...
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On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Alexander Furnas <zfurnas@gmail.com<mailto:zfurnas@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Tom, It is on the old side (talks about trolling in UseNet etc.), but I think Judith Donath's "Identity Deception in the Virtual World" from Kollock and Smith (eds.) Communities in Cyberspace is really really excellent. It talks about how trolling is a form of identity signaling/identity deception with specific community level ramifications and goals. It is absolutely worth a read and quite highly cited (~910 cites). In fact, I imagine perusing the google scholar list of articles that cite it would be of help to you as well. Here is an html version of the paper: http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/judith/Identity/IdentityDeception.html
Best, Zander On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:11 PM, matt g wrote:
Hi Tom,
You might check out the following pieces from Gabriella Coleman:
"Phreaks, Hackers, and Trolls and the Politics of Transgression and Spectacle." In _The Social Media Reader_, ed. Michael Mandiberg. New York: NYU Press, 2012.
"Hacker and Troller as Trickster." http://gabriellacoleman.org/blog/?p=1902
Best,
Matt -- Matthew K. Gold, Ph.D. http://mkgold.net | @mkgold
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Tom Williamson <tom@skepticcanary.com<mailto:tom@skepticcanary.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am new to Internet research, and I was wondering if anyone had published anything on "trolling"? Trolling is a big problem in the blogosphere, and I am interested in ways to combat it.
I come from a bioinformatics background, and I have devised an experiment, based on randomized double-blind controlled trials, to test the various ways to combat trolling. Would anyone be interested in such a trial?
Thanks,
Tom
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did you read it? =) On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Thomas Jones <tajone02@syr.edu> wrote:
Sounds a bit abrasive. :-)
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On Jul 25, 2012, at 12:52 PM, "sava saheli singh" <savasaheli@gmail.com> wrote:
this is absolutely the nicest thing I've read about trolls recently, by Erin Kissane: How to Kill a Troll: http://incisive.nu/2012/how-to-kill-a-troll/
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Burcu Bakioglu <bbakiogl@gmail.com>wrote:
I agree with Thomas over here. Fighting trolling is a losing business, the more you respond, thousand times more they respond. All of these readings mentioned here possibly won't give you any more insight on fighting it. Especially in virtual worlds this is rampant under a slightly different name: griefing, but it is the same deal. i have a long list of reading on the phenomena but didn't want to spam everyone with the reading list. If you are genuinely trying to stop trolling on your blog or anywhere else:
-ignore disruptive behavior... these guys are mainly attention whores (their term, not mine). So if you ignore them, they get bored and go away... -turn on any protective settings like moderation, if you are in a virtual world you would have ban capabilities in your sim/region -in the online piece that someone else had mentioned, Judith Donath's piece, there are some useful cues and how these guys act. The piece is a bit outdated but still useful. Donath mentions: They usually pretend to be in on the cause and start asking silly questions, you explain, they pretend not to understand, you explain more etc... In Second Life for instance, the blogger/character Prokovy Nova pretends to fight griefers and defend free speech and stuff, and at the same time, trolls and antagonizes bunch of blogs from Henry Jenkin's blog to Techcruch to Terra Nova with epic long blog comments... from which s/he is banned... I think she is banned from 10 blogs at least. -or they attack you somehow, you defend, they attack more etc... -Also in Cole Stryker's Epic Win for Anonymous, there is a useful troll category list earlier in the book... the book is not exclusively about trolling, but it does touch upon it...
It takes various shapes and forms. But the truism is the same: don't feed the troll. Meaning ignore/delete/block... fighting is not an option.
My two cents...
BsB
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Thomas Jones <tajone02@syr.edu> wrote:
Lost the original message, but I would be apprehensive about being able to fight or combat trolling, psychologically or sociotechnically. Online community governance is a slippery slope sometimes.
Though, I would be interested in reading Griefer Wars when published.
Thomas Jones @othertomjones http://about.me/othertomjones
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:38 AM, "Burcu Bakioglu" <bbakiogl@gmail.com> wrote:
I am also co-authoring a book with Peter Ludlow called Griefer Wars that focuses on trolling and griefing in online and virtual spaces. But not published yet...
Sent from Merlin
On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Alexander Furnas <zfurnas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom, It is on the old side (talks about trolling in UseNet etc.), but I think Judith Donath's "Identity Deception in the Virtual World" from Kollock and Smith (eds.) Communities in Cyberspace is really really excellent. It talks about how trolling is a form of identity signaling/identity deception with specific community level ramifications and goals. It is absolutely worth a read and quite highly cited (~910 cites). In fact, I imagine perusing the google scholar list of articles that cite it would be of help to you as well. Here is an html version of the paper: http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/judith/Identity/IdentityDeception.html
Best, Zander On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:11 PM, matt g wrote:
Hi Tom,
You might check out the following pieces from Gabriella Coleman:
"Phreaks, Hackers, and Trolls and the Politics of Transgression and Spectacle." In _The Social Media Reader_, ed. Michael Mandiberg. New York: NYU Press, 2012.
"Hacker and Troller as Trickster." http://gabriellacoleman.org/blog/?p=1902
Best,
Matt -- Matthew K. Gold, Ph.D. http://mkgold.net | @mkgold
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Tom Williamson < tom@skepticcanary.com wrote:
> Hello everyone, > > I am new to Internet research, and I was wondering if anyone had published > anything on "trolling"? Trolling is a big problem in the blogosphere, and I > am interested in ways to combat it. > > I come from a bioinformatics background, and I have devised an experiment, > based on randomized double-blind controlled trials, to test the various > ways to combat trolling. Would anyone be interested in such a trial? > > Thanks, > > Tom > > ------------------------------**------- > Read by blog at www.skepticcanary.com > ______________________________**_________________ > The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list > is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org > Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/** > listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org< http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org> > > Join the Association of Internet Researchers: > http://www.aoir.org/ > _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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My two cents: not only are trolls best dealt with by being ignored, there are times that they serve a useful function in disrupting groupthink, pile-ons, and so-called "epistemic closure". By contrast, they can also foment the opposite, in group solidarity and re-affirmation of views (it depends on how other folks deal with the trolls). I would count trolls as being an irritating, often awful, but nonetheless integral part of online ecology--a bit like mosquitoes or certain parasites.
Oh yes... most definitely! 4chan gave birth to lolAnons (trolls that hacked and defaced 7000 MySpace profiles with gay porn) and Anonymous (the hacktivist collective) at the same time. SL group The Wrong Hands have conducted two hacktivist initiatives in SL against two other groups: Justice League Unlimited (paper forthcoming) and Modular Systems (paper will be written) and exposed major surveillance and datamining operations. So yes, they are adorable that way :P (*joke*) Also if you're one to get easily offended, I recommend not researching the topic at all. The amount of racist, homophobic, and sexist language/slurs that I encountered, along with porn I have consumed within the last decade or so is insane. Generally, if it pisses you off and is sure to bring them the media attention, they won't shy away from it. Think of Anshe Chung who was SL's first self-proclaimed millionaire back in the day and who made it to the cover of the Business Week. In her in-world CNet interview, goons plummeted her with flying penises and crashed the sim... Then posted the recording on YouTube. Bunch DMCA complaints ensued, nothing came out of it, of course. Good times :P But, if your concern is to keep your blogs safe, you know all you need to know by now :) There is nothing more to it, really. If there is, I am willing to learn... BsB On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Kyle Kontour <kkontour@gmail.com> wrote:
My two cents: not only are trolls best dealt with by being ignored, there are times that they serve a useful function in disrupting groupthink, pile-ons, and so-called "epistemic closure". By contrast, they can also foment the opposite, in group solidarity and re-affirmation of views (it depends on how other folks deal with the trolls). I would count trolls as being an irritating, often awful, but nonetheless integral part of online ecology--a bit like mosquitoes or certain parasites. _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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Let's not other that often trolls are individuals, who obviously tend to be introverted, are often highly intelligent in their social awkwardness - akin to those with aspergers. It are these same people who contribute to the underlying fabric of slashdot for example, who also predominantly created Wikipedia. So, trolls do actually provide a useful purpose, dependent on how they are motivated. Thomas Jones @othertomjones http://about.me/othertomjones Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:15 PM, "Burcu Bakioglu" <bbakiogl@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh yes... most definitely! 4chan gave birth to lolAnons (trolls that hacked and defaced 7000 MySpace profiles with gay porn) and Anonymous (the hacktivist collective) at the same time. SL group The Wrong Hands have conducted two hacktivist initiatives in SL against two other groups: Justice League Unlimited (paper forthcoming) and Modular Systems (paper will be written) and exposed major surveillance and datamining operations. So yes, they are adorable that way :P (*joke*)
Also if you're one to get easily offended, I recommend not researching the topic at all. The amount of racist, homophobic, and sexist language/slurs that I encountered, along with porn I have consumed within the last decade or so is insane. Generally, if it pisses you off and is sure to bring them the media attention, they won't shy away from it. Think of Anshe Chung who was SL's first self-proclaimed millionaire back in the day and who made it to the cover of the Business Week. In her in-world CNet interview, goons plummeted her with flying penises and crashed the sim... Then posted the recording on YouTube. Bunch DMCA complaints ensued, nothing came out of it, of course. Good times :P
But, if your concern is to keep your blogs safe, you know all you need to know by now :) There is nothing more to it, really. If there is, I am willing to learn...
BsB
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Kyle Kontour <kkontour@gmail.com> wrote:
My two cents: not only are trolls best dealt with by being ignored, there are times that they serve a useful function in disrupting groupthink, pile-ons, and so-called "epistemic closure". By contrast, they can also foment the opposite, in group solidarity and re-affirmation of views (it depends on how other folks deal with the trolls). I would count trolls as being an irritating, often awful, but nonetheless integral part of online ecology--a bit like mosquitoes or certain parasites. _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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For what it is worth, there are some studies of 'trolling' events on a mailing list and an explanation of trolling in terms of intensified failures of communication, and attempts to confirm one's own existence online, in my book Living on Cybermind: categories, communication and control. Peter Lang 2007 see in particular chaps 9 and 10 and chapter 5 for the stuff on presence. jon UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views of the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. Think. Green. Do. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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