I think there are reasons blogs *can* be progressive (leaving aside any grand "progress" narratives). In their most innocuous application, they merely provide a way for students to hand in work electronically -- i.e., as a replacement for email. But when they incorporate some of the values often found among bloggers, I think they can lead to progressive uses: 1. They allow a person to orient her own learning and better set the agenda of that learning, rather than centering it on the prof, the class-time, or the class-place. 2. They make the university and academic communication among faculty, students, and the public more transparent, potentially drawing in a more diverse set of opinions, experiences, and objectives. 3. They encourage not only engagement in the university by a wider community, but engagement in the community by students. When students recognize their work is serving more than just the professor (including their peers and others), they take a more active role in participating in those wider groups. Sure, these ideals are not always (or even often) actualized, but blogs at least invite the possibility. Alex -- // // Alexander Halavais // Graduate Director of Informatics // University at Buffalo School of Informatics // http://alex.halavais.net //
But when they incorporate some of the values often found among bloggers, I think they can lead to progressive uses:
and is this somehow a given - that "bloggers" have "progressive" values? r
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But when they incorporate some of the values often found among bloggers, I think they can lead to progressive uses:
and is this somehow a given - that "bloggers" have "progressive" values?
They want to think so. The conservative blogosphere is fascinating.
But when they incorporate some of the values often found among bloggers, I think they can lead to progressive uses:
and is this somehow a given - that "bloggers" have "progressive" values?
They want to think so.
The conservative blogosphere is fascinating.
exactly. r
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actually, yes, it is a given. the adoption of new technologies falls into the progressive and not the conservative end of one of the politico-normative axes. another axis is liberal-authoritarian. another can be theist - atheist, and yet another might be capitalist- socialist. this is not to say that bloggers are universally big 'P' progressives, which is what you seem to be getting at, but it is to say that at least in one aspect of their life they have chosen something progressive and that they might be willing to pursue other changes. progressive and Progressive are two different things though. so a progressive authoritarian theist capitalists is something to think about.... what would they be progressing toward? anyway the axes aren't binary oppositions though, just spectrums to think about and measure. I doubt that choosing new technology is going to be a strong indicator, but in certain populations it might be. On Nov 30, 2005, at 3:58 PM, Radhika Gajjala wrote:
But when they incorporate some of the values often found among bloggers, I think they can lead to progressive uses:
and is this somehow a given - that "bloggers" have "progressive" values?
r
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Hmmmm... I haven't done an empirical search of blogger sites, but I imagine there are quite a few racist, sexist etc. bloggers out there. Just as other Internet technologies have been harnessed for all political purposes, blogging no doubt has been as well. I understand the empirical correlation between technology use and political likelihoods... but I have a hard time with technology stripped of content categorized as "progressive". The concept of "innovative" works better for me. Mary E. Virnoche Assistant Professor Coordinator, Practicing Sociology MA Chair, CAHSS Curriculum Committee Vice President, SWS-West Department of Sociology Humboldt State University Arcata CA 95521 707-826-4569 http://www.humboldt.edu/~mv23
ditto! r
Hmmmm... I haven't done an empirical search of blogger sites, but I imagine there are quite a few racist, sexist etc. bloggers out there. Just as other Internet technologies have been harnessed for all political purposes, blogging no doubt has been as well. I understand the empirical correlation between technology use and political likelihoods... but I have a hard time with technology stripped of content categorized as "progressive". The concept of "innovative" works better for me.
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i've come across a number of anti-homosexual bloggers and forums within blogsites. the content goes from outright gaybashing to plain old straight pride. there's even a harry potter role-playing blog that's prohibited users from applying to play as GLBT characters, claiming that hogwarts didn't have nearly so many queer wizards and witches as the site had applicants :) joshua Quoting Radhika Gajjala <radhika@cyberdiva.org>: * ditto! * * r * * >Hmmmm... I haven't done an empirical search of blogger sites, but I * >imagine there are quite a few racist, sexist etc. bloggers out there. Just * >as other Internet technologies have been harnessed for all political * >purposes, blogging no doubt has been as well. I understand the empirical * >correlation between technology use and political likelihoods... but I have * >a hard time with technology stripped of content categorized as * >"progressive". The concept of "innovative" works better for me. * > * > * > * > * >Mary E. Virnoche * >Assistant Professor * >Coordinator, Practicing Sociology MA * >Chair, CAHSS Curriculum Committee * >Vice President, SWS-West * > * >Department of Sociology * >Humboldt State University * >Arcata CA 95521 * >707-826-4569 * >http://www.humboldt.edu/~mv23 * > * > * >_______________________________________________ * >The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list * >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org * >Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: * >http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org * > * >Join the Association of Internet Researchers: * >http://www.aoir.org/ * * * -- * Radhika Gajjala * Associate Professor * School of Communication Studies * Bowling Green State University * Bowling Green, OH 43403 * * http://personal.bgsu.edu/~radhik ; http://cyberdiva.typepad.com/teach/ * * http://www.cyberdiva.org * _________ * * or to glance at multiple blogs * * http://www.cyberdiva.org/cyberdivalive.html * _______________________________________________ * The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list * is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org * Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: * http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org * * Join the Association of Internet Researchers: * http://www.aoir.org/ *
so then are log-cabin republicans conservative or progressive? I think we have to be careful about categories and that is what I was trying to point out that there are many spectrums of values and one of them is progressive to conservative, and that the way we tend to categorize things in the media and everyday life does not necessary map onto analytic categories or indicators. this is because in general terms the concepts are confused in the american media, or at least I think so. The terms do not hold the same meaning for all people in all context, but we can use standard definitions and then code things appropriately. I'm not sure where people are putting their categories below and what they are trying to accomplish in doing so, but i do know that there is much at stake in the power of the categories. On Nov 30, 2005, at 5:59 PM, joshua raclaw wrote:
i've come across a number of anti-homosexual bloggers and forums within blogsites. the content goes from outright gaybashing to plain old straight pride.
there's even a harry potter role-playing blog that's prohibited users from applying to play as GLBT characters, claiming that hogwarts didn't have nearly so many queer wizards and witches as the site had applicants :)
joshua
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* ditto! * * r * * >Hmmmm... I haven't done an empirical search of blogger sites, but I * >imagine there are quite a few racist, sexist etc. bloggers out there. Just * >as other Internet technologies have been harnessed for all political * >purposes, blogging no doubt has been as well. I understand the empirical * >correlation between technology use and political likelihoods... but I have * >a hard time with technology stripped of content categorized as * >"progressive". The concept of "innovative" works better for me. * > * > * > * > * >Mary E. Virnoche * >Assistant Professor * >Coordinator, Practicing Sociology MA * >Chair, CAHSS Curriculum Committee * >Vice President, SWS-West * > * >Department of Sociology * >Humboldt State University * >Arcata CA 95521 * >707-826-4569 * >http://www.humboldt.edu/~mv23 * > * > * >_______________________________________________ * >The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list * >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http:// aoir.org * >Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: * >http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org * > * >Join the Association of Internet Researchers: * >http://www.aoir.org/ * * * -- * Radhika Gajjala * Associate Professor * School of Communication Studies * Bowling Green State University * Bowling Green, OH 43403 * * http://personal.bgsu.edu/~radhik ; http://cyberdiva.typepad.com/ teach/ * * http://www.cyberdiva.org * _________ * * or to glance at multiple blogs * * http://www.cyberdiva.org/cyberdivalive.html * _______________________________________________ * The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list * is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http:// aoir.org * Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: * http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org * * Join the Association of Internet Researchers: * http://www.aoir.org/ * _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http:// listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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actually, yes, it is a given. the adoption of new technologies falls into the progressive and not the conservative end of one of the politico-normative axes. another axis is liberal-authoritarian. another
at this point blogging is being widely adopted by technologically semi-progressive political conservatives. technologically progressive political liberals were first, but not quite as much weight can be given to them now... they're not the only ones in the game. --elijah
Just to throw in my 2 cents... at least in the history of media such as movies and then radio, it was the theologically conservative (in the sense of promoting a strongly traditional / Orthodox view) Evangelical protestants who jumped the quickest and with the most enthusiasm into the then-new technologies - alongside, certainly, the more marginalized / liberal / alternative religious communities. They were eventually followed by theologically conservative, but more "mainstream" (to use Martin Marty's definitions) Protestants and Roman Catholics. The same pattern appears to have occurred vis-à-vis the Internet and its various modes of CMC. So, while I shudder at the thought (really) of disagreeing with Jeremy on these sorts of matters, I'd want to know more about what counts as "progressive" (rather than, as Mary Virnoche suggested, "innovative") - so that theologically (very) conservative Evangelicals might count as progressive in the sense he has in mind. cheers, cX
actually, yes, it is a given. the adoption of new technologies falls into the progressive and not the conservative end of one of the politico-normative axes. another axis is liberal-authoritarian. another
at this point blogging is being widely adopted by technologically semi-progressive political conservatives.
technologically progressive political liberals were first, but not quite as much weight can be given to them now... they're not the only ones in the game.
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I tend to call Evangelical Protestants progressives. they want progress of society toward their conservative imaginations, whereas a conservative would be the more mainstream which are resistant to change. progressive is opposed to conservative on the spectrum that judges openness and desire for change. the direction of that change might be toward something some might think of as regressive, but regress is just progress toward or against one set of ends or goals. On Nov 30, 2005, at 5:20 PM, Charles Ess wrote:
Just to throw in my 2 cents...
at least in the history of media such as movies and then radio, it was the theologically conservative (in the sense of promoting a strongly traditional / Orthodox view) Evangelical protestants who jumped the quickest and with the most enthusiasm into the then-new technologies - alongside, certainly, the more marginalized / liberal / alternative religious communities. They were eventually followed by theologically conservative, but more "mainstream" (to use Martin Marty's definitions) Protestants and Roman Catholics. The same pattern appears to have occurred vis-à-vis the Internet and its various modes of CMC. So, while I shudder at the thought (really) of disagreeing with Jeremy on these sorts of matters, I'd want to know more about what counts as "progressive" (rather than, as Mary Virnoche suggested, "innovative") - so that theologically (very) conservative Evangelicals might count as progressive in the sense he has in mind.
cheers, cX
actually, yes, it is a given. the adoption of new technologies falls into the progressive and not the conservative end of one of the politico-normative axes. another axis is liberal-authoritarian. another
at this point blogging is being widely adopted by technologically semi-progressive political conservatives.
technologically progressive political liberals were first, but not quite as much weight can be given to them now... they're not the only ones in the game.
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