this group could make a wonderful demonstration by adding a recommender system to your operation. A great phd project Turoff, M., Hiltz, S.R.: The Future of Professional Communities of Practice. In: Weinhardt, C., Luckner, S., Stößer, J. (eds.) WeB 2008. LNBIP, vol. 22, pp. 144-158. Springer-Verlag, Berlin Heidelberg (2009) You would be the perfect group to demonstrate the benefits of adding that capability. -- *Distinguished Professor Emeritus Information Systems, NJIT homepage: http://is.njit.edu/turoff *
A recommender system for what? Academic articles? News of interest? Job postings? Because I think existing platforms could serve these purposes - we could just create a Air Mendely group or something (does one already exist)? Perhaps an Air subreddit? That said, I agree that some Air collaborative filtering might be a more useful way to surface things of interest to the community than just email blasts. On Jun 16, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Murray Turoff wrote:
this group could make a wonderful demonstration by adding a recommender system to your operation. A great phd project
Turoff, M., Hiltz, S.R.: The Future of Professional Communities of Practice. In: Weinhardt, C., Luckner, S., Stößer, J. (eds.) WeB 2008. LNBIP, vol. 22, pp. 144-158. Springer-Verlag, Berlin Heidelberg (2009)
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not everyone in a professional community can read everything of possible interest, the most common problem we all face is information overload. if you look at hte paper it is based upon a study of another professional community. what you would be doing is collaborative tagging to create your own evolving index for the group as a whole and then voting on the "importance" of any paper entered by someone, but voting and indexing it by those that have read it. the paper suggest that the members would characterize their interests by using the same index to represent themselves and the voting would be summarized by the keys put on the paper. the paper suggests using thurstones law of comparative judgement so one can see the strength of the group agreements by distance between the ranked papers. however, a simple five star rating would work to start with. On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Alexander Furnas <zfurnas@gmail.com>wrote: do it would be books, papers, reports, drafts, or anything on the general topic including maybe standard changes, etc. You are the group that should be using the technology you write about. "A seer upon perceiving a flood should be the first to climb a tree"- kalil gibron A recommender system for what? Academic articles? News of interest? Job
postings? Because I think existing platforms could serve these purposes - we could just create a Air Mendely group or something (does one already exist)? Perhaps an Air subreddit?
That said, I agree that some Air collaborative filtering might be a more useful way to surface things of interest to the community than just email blasts.
On Jun 16, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Murray Turoff wrote:
this group could make a wonderful demonstration by adding a recommender system to your operation. A great phd project
Turoff, M., Hiltz, S.R.: The Future of Professional Communities of Practice. In: Weinhardt, C., Luckner, S., Stößer, J. (eds.) WeB 2008. LNBIP, vol. 22, pp. 144-158. Springer-Verlag, Berlin Heidelberg (2009)
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Perhaps it's my subjective angle and isn't necessarily representative, but for me it's rather weird that the interactions take place through an e-mail list. It feels like the '90s. Why aren't we using better tools like wikis, blogs, collaborative blogs etc? It would solve the tagging and recommendation problem as well. Meelis On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Murray Turoff <murray.turoff@gmail.com>wrote:
not everyone in a professional community can read everything of possible interest, the most common problem we all face is information overload. if you look at hte paper it is based upon a study of another professional community.
what you would be doing is collaborative tagging to create your own evolving index for the group as a whole and then voting on the "importance" of any paper entered by someone, but voting and indexing it by those that have read it. the paper suggest that the members would characterize their interests by using the same index to represent themselves and the voting would be summarized by the keys put on the paper.
the paper suggests using thurstones law of comparative judgement so one can see the strength of the group agreements by distance between the ranked papers. however, a simple five star rating would work to start with. On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Alexander Furnas <zfurnas@gmail.com
wrote:
do it would be books, papers, reports, drafts, or anything on the general topic including maybe standard changes, etc.
You are the group that should be using the technology you write about. "A seer upon perceiving a flood should be the first to climb a tree"- kalil gibron
A recommender system for what? Academic articles? News of interest? Job
postings? Because I think existing platforms could serve these purposes - we could just create a Air Mendely group or something (does one already exist)? Perhaps an Air subreddit?
That said, I agree that some Air collaborative filtering might be a more useful way to surface things of interest to the community than just email blasts.
On Jun 16, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Murray Turoff wrote:
this group could make a wonderful demonstration by adding a recommender system to your operation. A great phd project
Turoff, M., Hiltz, S.R.: The Future of Professional Communities of Practice. In: Weinhardt, C., Luckner, S., Stößer, J. (eds.) WeB 2008. LNBIP, vol. 22, pp. 144-158. Springer-Verlag, Berlin Heidelberg (2009)
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A paper abstract to the list would be helpful, along with a clear statement about how recommenders might be used here. In terms of scholarly impact, there are efforts being made (this week) at the acm altmetrics workshop to imagine new ways of measurement. Group lens at Minnesota published a good deal about recommenders a decade ago. There is now an acm conference dedicated to recommenders. One challenge is that starring systems tend to compress ratings near the top in practice. See the links below. http://chronicle.com/article/As-Scholarship-Goes-Digital/130482/ http://altmetrics.org/altmetrics12/ http://recsys.acm.org/2012/ Thanks! Sean P. Goggins, Ph.D http://www.groupinformatics.org Visit http://www.sociotech.net Phone: (215) 948-2729 "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead "The most effective way to do it, is to do it." -- Amelia Earhart On Jun 18, 2012, at 4:16, Meelis Ojasild <meelis.ojasild@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps it's my subjective angle and isn't necessarily representative, but for me it's rather weird that the interactions take place through an e-mail list. It feels like the '90s.
Why aren't we using better tools like wikis, blogs, collaborative blogs etc? It would solve the tagging and recommendation problem as well.
Meelis
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Murray Turoff <murray.turoff@gmail.com>wrote:
not everyone in a professional community can read everything of possible interest, the most common problem we all face is information overload. if you look at hte paper it is based upon a study of another professional community.
what you would be doing is collaborative tagging to create your own evolving index for the group as a whole and then voting on the "importance" of any paper entered by someone, but voting and indexing it by those that have read it. the paper suggest that the members would characterize their interests by using the same index to represent themselves and the voting would be summarized by the keys put on the paper.
the paper suggests using thurstones law of comparative judgement so one can see the strength of the group agreements by distance between the ranked papers. however, a simple five star rating would work to start with. On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Alexander Furnas <zfurnas@gmail.com
wrote:
do it would be books, papers, reports, drafts, or anything on the general topic including maybe standard changes, etc.
You are the group that should be using the technology you write about. "A seer upon perceiving a flood should be the first to climb a tree"- kalil gibron
A recommender system for what? Academic articles? News of interest? Job
postings? Because I think existing platforms could serve these purposes - we could just create a Air Mendely group or something (does one already exist)? Perhaps an Air subreddit?
That said, I agree that some Air collaborative filtering might be a more useful way to surface things of interest to the community than just email blasts.
On Jun 16, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Murray Turoff wrote:
this group could make a wonderful demonstration by adding a recommender system to your operation. A great phd project
Turoff, M., Hiltz, S.R.: The Future of Professional Communities of Practice. In: Weinhardt, C., Luckner, S., Stößer, J. (eds.) WeB 2008. LNBIP, vol. 22, pp. 144-158. Springer-Verlag, Berlin Heidelberg (2009)
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there is a long history of how to use the new technology of networking to further invisible colleges or communities of practice with lots of suggestions. Some of it goes back the EIES system in 1976 originally for that purpose and Barry was one of the members of the network analysis group that was on EIES. However, the new field of collaborative tagging did not exist until comparatively recently and is referenced the paper i suggested.. but the real key is developing an evolving index that serves to index both the documents and the users of the documents so the votes can be summarized for a person based upon the others in the network that use the same index key which has been a property of some delphi to show how those with different professional backgrounds voted on a given issue in a delphi. I just finished a delphi on future threats which compared votes on future threats for those who are emergency managers, those who are academics doing EM research and those in other academic fields like security, etc. It can be found at iscram.org under publications. This one was sort of amusing because academics and emergency managers both thought the others had different views and out of 86 threats they came up with for the next decade there was only one where there was significant disagreement on importance of the threat for better planning. Clearly if you were to do what i am suggesting you would come up with a much larger body of active members. We did have a network system on EIES that was a recommender system back in the late 70's that operated for state legislative science advisers and representatives of professional societies (legitech). There are papers on that system and the original reports are on the njit library database of cccc reports. http://library.njit.edu/archives/cccc-materials/index.php http://www.iscramlive.org/portal/category-publications The ISCRAM Future Threat Delphi: Nostradamus Revisited<http://www.iscramlive.org/portal/node/2763> published by turoff <http://www.iscramlive.org/portal/user/112> on Sun, 05/13/2012 - 17:03 During a 5 month period from November 2011 to March 2012, 36 professionals participated in an exploratory two-round Delphi to develop a list of 86 threats in 11 categories important for the next decade which they felt were not now receiving adequate planning or adequate development of mitigation options. This involved 14 academics studying Emergency Preparedness and Management, eight practitioners in Emergency Management, and 14 professionals in other related fields. A list of those involved is provided, excluding those participants who requested anonymity. On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Sean Goggins <s@goggins.com> wrote:
A paper abstract to the list would be helpful, along with a clear statement about how recommenders might be used here. In terms of scholarly impact, there are efforts being made (this week) at the acm altmetrics workshop to imagine new ways of measurement.
Group lens at Minnesota published a good deal about recommenders a decade ago. There is now an acm conference dedicated to recommenders. One challenge is that starring systems tend to compress ratings near the top in practice.
See the links below.
http://chronicle.com/article/As-Scholarship-Goes-Digital/130482/
http://altmetrics.org/altmetrics12/
Thanks!
Sean P. Goggins, Ph.D http://www.groupinformatics.org Visit http://www.sociotech.net Phone: (215) 948-2729
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead
"The most effective way to do it, is to do it." -- Amelia Earhart
Distinguished Professor Emeritus
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we have in the past had all of those tools. want to why we don't use them much?... because you don't use them. you use the list, and that is about all you use. On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Meelis Ojasild <meelis.ojasild@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps it's my subjective angle and isn't necessarily representative, but for me it's rather weird that the interactions take place through an e-mail list. It feels like the '90s.
Why aren't we using better tools like wikis, blogs, collaborative blogs etc? It would solve the tagging and recommendation problem as well.
Meelis
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Murray Turoff <murray.turoff@gmail.com>wrote:
not everyone in a professional community can read everything of possible interest, the most common problem we all face is information overload. if you look at hte paper it is based upon a study of another professional community.
what you would be doing is collaborative tagging to create your own evolving index for the group as a whole and then voting on the "importance" of any paper entered by someone, but voting and indexing it by those that have read it. the paper suggest that the members would characterize their interests by using the same index to represent themselves and the voting would be summarized by the keys put on the paper.
the paper suggests using thurstones law of comparative judgement so one can see the strength of the group agreements by distance between the ranked papers. however, a simple five star rating would work to start with. On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Alexander Furnas <zfurnas@gmail.com
wrote:
do it would be books, papers, reports, drafts, or anything on the general topic including maybe standard changes, etc.
You are the group that should be using the technology you write about. "A seer upon perceiving a flood should be the first to climb a tree"- kalil gibron
A recommender system for what? Academic articles? News of interest? Job
postings? Because I think existing platforms could serve these purposes - we could just create a Air Mendely group or something (does one already exist)? Perhaps an Air subreddit?
That said, I agree that some Air collaborative filtering might be a more useful way to surface things of interest to the community than just email blasts.
On Jun 16, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Murray Turoff wrote:
this group could make a wonderful demonstration by adding a recommender system to your operation. A great phd project
Turoff, M., Hiltz, S.R.: The Future of Professional Communities of Practice. In: Weinhardt, C., Luckner, S., Stößer, J. (eds.) WeB 2008. LNBIP, vol. 22, pp. 144-158. Springer-Verlag, Berlin Heidelberg (2009)
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the list is also what connects us: email is the platform, the list is the thing. i suspect that if the list were a wiki, we would use the wiki tools. i personally like the list in email format, it's ubiquitious and easily accessible anywhere around the world peter On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Jeremy hunsinger <jeremy@tmttlt.com> wrote:
we have in the past had all of those tools. want to why we don't use them much?... because you don't use them. you use the list, and that is about all you use.
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Meelis Ojasild <meelis.ojasild@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps it's my subjective angle and isn't necessarily representative, but for me it's rather weird that the interactions take place through an e-mail list. It feels like the '90s.
Why aren't we using better tools like wikis, blogs, collaborative blogs etc? It would solve the tagging and recommendation problem as well.
Meelis
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Murray Turoff <murray.turoff@gmail.com>wrote:
not everyone in a professional community can read everything of possible interest, the most common problem we all face is information overload. if you look at hte paper it is based upon a study of another professional community.
what you would be doing is collaborative tagging to create your own evolving index for the group as a whole and then voting on the "importance" of any paper entered by someone, but voting and indexing it by those that have read it. the paper suggest that the members would characterize their interests by using the same index to represent themselves and the voting would be summarized by the keys put on the paper.
the paper suggests using thurstones law of comparative judgement so one can see the strength of the group agreements by distance between the ranked papers. however, a simple five star rating would work to start with. On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Alexander Furnas <zfurnas@gmail.com
wrote:
do it would be books, papers, reports, drafts, or anything on the general topic including maybe standard changes, etc.
You are the group that should be using the technology you write about. "A seer upon perceiving a flood should be the first to climb a tree"- kalil gibron
A recommender system for what? Academic articles? News of interest? Job
postings? Because I think existing platforms could serve these purposes - we could just create a Air Mendely group or something (does one already exist)? Perhaps an Air subreddit?
That said, I agree that some Air collaborative filtering might be a more useful way to surface things of interest to the community than just email blasts.
On Jun 16, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Murray Turoff wrote:
this group could make a wonderful demonstration by adding a recommender system to your operation. A great phd project
Turoff, M., Hiltz, S.R.: The Future of Professional Communities of Practice. In: Weinhardt, C., Luckner, S., Stößer, J. (eds.) WeB 2008. LNBIP, vol. 22, pp. 144-158. Springer-Verlag, Berlin Heidelberg (2009)
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Jeremy, we actually found this to be a problem when we started legitech in the 70's because everyone wanted to ask for answers to questions but very few responded. Then we put in a membership list showing who had supplied how many answers and who had asked how many questions. This changed the behavior to almost everyone putting in answers when they good. In some very active problem solving networking on the web, among professionals in various software areas they use voting on how a good a solution is by the people seeking answers and the degree of expertise among the problem solvers becomes quite evident. so it is really a question of how you design the feedback to encourage active participation. One could add star voting to this conference to vote on the value of contributions! On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Jeremy hunsinger <jeremy@tmttlt.com> wrote:
we have in the past had all of those tools. want to why we don't use them much?... because you don't use them. you use the list, and that is about all you use. --
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One could add a star almost anywhere, but would it represent what you intend it to represent or ask for it to represent? in my experience people use such affordances as they see fit, not as instructed unless they are policed. that said, i suspect stars on conference submissions would end up being popularity contests, which mind you isn't to far from our usual single or double blind peer review, but still wouldn't be effective. similarly with any recommender system for research would end up mostly demonstrating what the most popular posters would post which is likely to be the most popular of the dominant paradigm. that tendency is one that should probably be resisted in academia. we do have a strong tradition in aoir of trying new technologies and we've tried many, and mostly... as i've indicated other than the maintenance of said systems, people don't use them. On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Murray Turoff <murray.turoff@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeremy, we actually found this to be a problem when we started legitech in the 70's because everyone wanted to ask for answers to questions but very few responded. Then we put in a membership list showing who had supplied how many answers and who had asked how many questions. This changed the behavior to almost everyone putting in answers when they good. In some very active problem solving networking on the web, among professionals in various software areas they use voting on how a good a solution is by the people seeking answers and the degree of expertise among the problem solvers becomes quite evident. so it is really a question of how you design the feedback to encourage active participation. One could add star voting to this conference to vote on the value of contributions!
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Jeremy hunsinger <jeremy@tmttlt.com> wrote:
we have in the past had all of those tools. want to why we don't use them much?... because you don't use them. you use the list, and that is about all you use. --
Distinguished Professor Emeritus Information Systems, NJIT homepage: http://is.njit.edu/turoff
-- jeremy hunsinger Communication Studies Wilfrid Laurier University Center for Digital Discourse and Culture Virginia Tech www.tmttlt.com () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments http://www.stswiki.org/ sts wiki http://transdisciplinarystudies.tmttlt.com/ Transdisciplinary Studies:the book series I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. -Pablo Picasso
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