one last fling at fair use
have been travelling, but did want to add the following thoughts to the now aging fair use thread regarding treatment of web texts and e-mail. when last we heard from our hero, the statement that market value concerns were found in regulations regarding fair use had been made along with the suggestion that works with no market value could therefore be taken in their entirety, which prompted the following clarifications. re "market value": - this is taken into consideration in determining whether or not there is fair use, but is NOT, as was the original point under discussion, taken into account in determining whether or not a piece is copyrightable or copyrighted. - taking a piece in its entirety is NEVER considered fair use, irrespective of any question of market value -- unless an item is completely out of print and is otherwise unavailable. - the issue of market value in determining fair use is not whether or not there is any, but the EFFECT of the use claimed covered by fair use UPON market value. if there is enormous market value in the work being used but no effect upon that value in the use, it's fair use. some market value is demonstrated by any use for which fair use is being claimed. if the market value is low but the effect is high, it's not ok. etc. - fair use is not a matter of regulation but judicial interpretation of the statutory law of copyright, which itself is based on the intellectual property rights provision in the us constitution. sandra braman
Sandra Braman wrote:
- taking a piece in its entirety is NEVER considered fair use, irrespective of any question of market value -- unless an item is completely out of print and is otherwise unavailable.
The law states that the amount of a work copied is only one of four factors to be "considered" in determining fair use. It doesn't indicate how these factors are to be weighed, etc. So, I'm not clear what the clipped comment is referring to. Is there some legal decision that's been made that indicates the use of "a piece in its entirety is NEVER considered fair use"? Until there's some judicial opionion about terrifically short products with little or no market value, I'd be reticent to assume this is true. But perhaps there has been such a decision? I'd be interested to learn where to find such if it exists.
- the issue of market value in determining fair use is not whether or not there is any, but the EFFECT of the use claimed covered by fair use UPON market value. if there is enormous market value in the work being used but no effect upon that value in the use, it's fair use. some market value is demonstrated by any use for which fair use is being claimed. if the market value is low but the effect is high, it's not ok. etc.
But if something has *no* market value, certainly its value couldn't be affected. Do run-of-the-mill E-mails to lists, or contributions to chats, have any market value? Perhaps some might claim there's a value to their contributions to academic E-mail lists, but I'd suggest that isn't so for the most part--what is expressed in those list posts I've seen would only have value if incorporated with many other expressed ideas into a research report, etc., and such incorporation would make the new expression, well, a new thing. But, as noted, that's ultimately for a judge to decide. Anyone know of judicial decisions involving the situations just mentioned? BTW, if a documents lack of market value has no bearing on fair use determination, wouldn't this mean that copyright was being violated every time anyone hit reply to a post on this or any other list, thereby appending the original post (or even just a "signficant" chunk of it--whatever that might be) to their list contribution? I'd think that would destroy E-mail lists. --Christian Nelson
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