Ok. Here's the deal. I'm really dumb about a lot of this stuff. I just updated iTunes to 7.0. Did a Party Shuffle. I'm wondering about the "randomness factor". Specifically, the chances that a sequence of several songs would fall into sync? I'm interested in qualitative answers as well as any quantitative results. For instance, is there some snoop software that reads my measurable statistics in relation to online music? steph http://www.reflexivity.us
On Sun, September 17, 2006 17:00, Stephanie Jo Kent wrote:
Ok. Here's the deal. I'm really dumb about a lot of this stuff. I just updated iTunes to 7.0. Did a Party Shuffle. I'm wondering about the "randomness factor". Specifically, the chances that a sequence of several songs would fall into sync?
I'm interested in qualitative answers as well as any quantitative results. For instance, is there some snoop software that reads my measurable statistics in relation to online music?
Steph, I've been curious about the metaphysics of shuffle as well -- wondering if there are flavors and varieties of randomness to the iPod, or just an all-or-nothing order-vs.-chaos. As has been pointed out, iTunes has an adjustable feature (under Preferences>Playback) in the form of a slider that "allows you to control how likely you are to hear multiple songs in a row by the same artist or from the same album." But on a more conceptual and psychologically interesting level, I encourage you to check out a piece that ran in the New York Times in 2004 titled "Tunes, a Hard Drive And (Just Maybe) a Brain." Find it at http://tinyurl.com/fxodj (you may need to register to view). Best, -- Bob Rehak Visiting Assistant Professor Film and Media Studies Swarthmore College
From: Stephanie Jo Kent <kentcon@sover.net>
Ok. Here's the deal. I'm really dumb about a lot of this stuff. I just updated iTunes to 7.0. Did a Party Shuffle. I'm wondering about the "randomness factor". Specifically, the chances that a sequence of several songs would fall into sync?
The new iTunes has some buttons in it that will let you bias the shuffle according to album, artist, etc. ;) [Working from memory, here -- i installed it on a Windows machine at home the other night, but haven't had time to touch it since.] --elijah
I seem to remember some recent (eg 2005/2006) discussions in the online music world about a "glitch" (or issue, or something) leading to more songs being repeated on the iTunes shuffler feature....and that folks were feeling the shuffler wasn't as "random" as they were led to believe. That said, I'm not sure if there are any serious analyses of that "issue" or the technology involved beyond the reports in the MSM, though. :( -rf On 9/17/06 5:00 PM, "Stephanie Jo Kent" <kentcon@sover.net> wrote:
Ok. Here's the deal. I'm really dumb about a lot of this stuff. I just updated iTunes to 7.0. Did a Party Shuffle. I'm wondering about the "randomness factor". Specifically, the chances that a sequence of several songs would fall into sync?
I'm interested in qualitative answers as well as any quantitative results. For instance, is there some snoop software that reads my measurable statistics in relation to online music?
steph http://www.reflexivity.us
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I thought the algorithm behind the shuffling was a closely guarded trade secret. Personally, I suspect there's either a secret GPS system or a psychic guiding the next song selection in my iPod half the time. At the very least, there's a gremlin with an excellent sense of humor. Nancy
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I thought the algorithm behind the shuffling was a closely guarded trade secret. Personally, I suspect there's either a secret GPS system or a psychic guiding the next song selection in my iPod half the time. At the very least, there's a gremlin with an excellent sense of humor.
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I'm and don't want to be offensive, but what does this itunes thread have to do with internet research? Sam Ellis Godard <egodard@csun.edu> wrote: Not much more marginally related to Internet Research, I'd like to recommend this plugin: http://brandon.fuller.name/archives/hacks/nowplaying/ Here's my implementation of it: http://www.netspace.org/~ellis/music.html
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I thought the algorithm behind the shuffling was a closely guarded trade secret. Personally, I suspect there's either a secret GPS system or a psychic guiding the next song selection in my iPod half the time. At the very least, there's a gremlin with an excellent sense of humor.
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Itunes is an interface to one of the larger internet-based consumption arenas. understanding the interface, and specifically the affective nature of music that it constructs, could give us insights into internet users, as much as anything else. On Sep 18, 2006, at 2:57 AM, Sam Tilden wrote:
I'm and don't want to be offensive, but what does this itunes thread have to do with internet research?
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FWIW, there was some controversy earlier in the year about a new iTunes 6.0.2 feature called Mini Store that was (originally) turned on by default and sent data about your listening habits to Apple's servers. Some info & links: http://michaelzimmer.org/2006/01/12/latest-itunes-update-raises- privacy-issues/ http://michaelzimmer.org/2006/01/18/itunes-now-asks-for-consent- before-collecting-data/ Not sure if Apple does/could/should use this data (if sent by users) to help improve their randomization algorithms... -m ----- Michael T. Zimmer Doctoral Candidate, Culture and Communication, New York University Student Fellow, Information Law Institute, NYU Law School e: michael.zimmer@nyu.edu w: http://michaelzimmer.org On Sep 17, 2006, at 5:00 PM, Stephanie Jo Kent wrote:
Ok. Here's the deal. I'm really dumb about a lot of this stuff. I just updated iTunes to 7.0. Did a Party Shuffle. I'm wondering about the "randomness factor". Specifically, the chances that a sequence of several songs would fall into sync?
I'm interested in qualitative answers as well as any quantitative results. For instance, is there some snoop software that reads my measurable statistics in relation to online music?
steph http://www.reflexivity.us
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Although Apple claims that there is no snoop technology one would have to be seriously naïve not to work under the assumption that this technology exists. You may recall a few months back when Apple introduced the mini-store on your iTunes library menu that it caused an uproar in the blogosphere and Apple changed the policy by adding a clickable item to choose whether or not you wanted your mini-store activated all the time when connected to the net and in iTunes. By definition, this is a snoop system regardless of intent. -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie Jo Kent Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:01 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] iTunes 7.0 Ok. Here's the deal. I'm really dumb about a lot of this stuff. I just updated iTunes to 7.0. Did a Party Shuffle. I'm wondering about the "randomness factor". Specifically, the chances that a sequence of several songs would fall into sync? I'm interested in qualitative answers as well as any quantitative results. For instance, is there some snoop software that reads my measurable statistics in relation to online music? steph http://www.reflexivity.us _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
Fascinating. I had no idea. does that mean that the people at my church could possibly find out I love grunge rock? tee hee "Heidelberg, Chris" <Chris.Heidelberg@ssa.gov> wrote: Although Apple claims that there is no snoop technology one would have to be seriously naïve not to work under the assumption that this technology exists. You may recall a few months back when Apple introduced the mini-store on your iTunes library menu that it caused an uproar in the blogosphere and Apple changed the policy by adding a clickable item to choose whether or not you wanted your mini-store activated all the time when connected to the net and in iTunes. By definition, this is a snoop system regardless of intent. -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie Jo Kent Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:01 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] iTunes 7.0 Ok. Here's the deal. I'm really dumb about a lot of this stuff. I just updated iTunes to 7.0. Did a Party Shuffle. I'm wondering about the "randomness factor". Specifically, the chances that a sequence of several songs would fall into sync? I'm interested in qualitative answers as well as any quantitative results. For instance, is there some snoop software that reads my measurable statistics in relation to online music? steph http://www.reflexivity.us _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com
No, only Apple will know, but the fear is that they could sell it. -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Sam Tilden Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:54 AM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] iTunes 7.0 Fascinating. I had no idea. does that mean that the people at my church could possibly find out I love grunge rock? tee hee "Heidelberg, Chris" <Chris.Heidelberg@ssa.gov> wrote: Although Apple claims that there is no snoop technology one would have to be seriously naïve not to work under the assumption that this technology exists. You may recall a few months back when Apple introduced the mini-store on your iTunes library menu that it caused an uproar in the blogosphere and Apple changed the policy by adding a clickable item to choose whether or not you wanted your mini-store activated all the time when connected to the net and in iTunes. By definition, this is a snoop system regardless of intent. -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie Jo Kent Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:01 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] iTunes 7.0 Ok. Here's the deal. I'm really dumb about a lot of this stuff. I just updated iTunes to 7.0. Did a Party Shuffle. I'm wondering about the "randomness factor". Specifically, the chances that a sequence of several songs would fall into sync? I'm interested in qualitative answers as well as any quantitative results. For instance, is there some snoop software that reads my measurable statistics in relation to online music? steph http://www.reflexivity.us _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
The 7.0 EULA appears to give Apple the right to snoop - I only skimmed it (before accepting, to wit), but it included language to the effect of tracking software and settings on the PC, not specific to iTunes.
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Heidelberg, Chris Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:30 AM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] iTunes 7.0
Although Apple claims that there is no snoop technology one would have to be seriously naïve not to work under the assumption that this technology exists. You may recall a few months back when Apple introduced the mini-store on your iTunes library menu that it caused an uproar in the blogosphere and Apple changed the policy by adding a clickable item to choose whether or not you wanted your mini-store activated all the time when connected to the net and in iTunes. By definition, this is a snoop system regardless of intent.
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie Jo Kent Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:01 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] iTunes 7.0
Ok. Here's the deal. I'm really dumb about a lot of this stuff. I just updated iTunes to 7.0. Did a Party Shuffle. I'm wondering about the "randomness factor". Specifically, the chances that a sequence of several songs would fall into sync?
I'm interested in qualitative answers as well as any quantitative results. For instance, is there some snoop software that reads my measurable statistics in relation to online music?
steph http://www.reflexivity.us
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The 7.0 EULA appears to give Apple the right to snoop - I only skimmed it (before accepting, to wit), but it included language to the effect of tracking software and settings on the PC, not specific to iTunes.
Maybe this pertains more directly to Software Update, being distributed by Apple with iTunes 7+, rather than to iTunes itself... --e
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Bob Rehak -
Ellis Godard -
Ellis Godard -
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Jeremy Hunsinger -
Michael Zimmer -
Nancy Baym -
Richard Forno -
Sam Tilden -
Stephanie Jo Kent -
Ulf-Dietrich Reips