Re: [Air-L] Open Internet (speech) and Economics
I'm not sure about economics. But when someone thinks(doesn't necessarily be true)they approach the world in a different way, and are more likely to be compliant with decisions that are made. I would think economics plays a part in that the more choices a person has the more they feel they have a relationship, an investment in how things will turn out. Someone has a say, and has choices theoretical they would be more productive, and prosperous. So yes, free speech would be an economic good. Everyone wants to be heard, and understood. I think free speech would provide a way for people to meet a basic human need. Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Ren Reynolds <ren@aldermangroup.com> Date: 06/25/2015 16:56 (GMT-06:00) To: Sarah Myers <sarahmye@usc.edu>, air <air-l-aoir.org@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Open Internet (speech) and Economics I’m pondering the question: can one argue that free speech is an economic good - or at the very least correlates to an increase in some economic measures such as, but not limited to, aggregate measures such as GDP. There may be richer arguments about relationships to access, opportunity wealth distribution etc, but of the moment I’m just pondering gross measures. Thought i would be interested in these arguments too e.g. I could see that increased ‘speech’ of the privileged may lead to more private for them with drags gross economic indicators up. ren
On 25 Jun 2015, at 17:53, Sarah Myers <sarahmye@usc.edu> wrote:
Hi Ren,
Could you be a little more specific about what you're interested in? I've been doing a lot of work on free speech issues and commercial Internet platforms, if that's relevant.
Best,
Sarah
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Ren Reynolds <ren@aldermangroup.com <mailto:ren@aldermangroup.com>> wrote: If anyone is working on the relationship between free speech on the internet and economics, particularly from a public policy point of view - I’d be interested in having a chat. ren
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Richard Posner's The Economics of Justice reflects how some within the law and economics movement view free-speech issues. I don't agree with it, but it is interesting. David S. Allen Professor Department of Journalism, Advertising, and Media Studies University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee 576 Bolton Hall PO Box 413 Milwaukee, WI 53211 JAMS department office: 414-229-4436 FAX: 414-229-2411
On Jun 26, 2015, at 9:55 AM, diananeal <diananeal@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure about economics. But when someone thinks(doesn't necessarily be true)they approach the world in a different way, and are more likely to be compliant with decisions that are made. I would think economics plays a part in that the more choices a person has the more they feel they have a relationship, an investment in how things will turn out. Someone has a say, and has choices theoretical they would be more productive, and prosperous. So yes, free speech would be an economic good. Everyone wants to be heard, and understood. I think free speech would provide a way for people to meet a basic human need.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: Ren Reynolds <ren@aldermangroup.com> Date: 06/25/2015 16:56 (GMT-06:00) To: Sarah Myers <sarahmye@usc.edu>, air <air-l-aoir.org@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Open Internet (speech) and Economics
I’m pondering the question: can one argue that free speech is an economic good - or at the very least correlates to an increase in some economic measures such as, but not limited to, aggregate measures such as GDP.
There may be richer arguments about relationships to access, opportunity wealth distribution etc, but of the moment I’m just pondering gross measures. Thought i would be interested in these arguments too e.g. I could see that increased ‘speech’ of the privileged may lead to more private for them with drags gross economic indicators up.
ren
On 25 Jun 2015, at 17:53, Sarah Myers <sarahmye@usc.edu> wrote:
Hi Ren,
Could you be a little more specific about what you're interested in? I've been doing a lot of work on free speech issues and commercial Internet platforms, if that's relevant.
Best,
Sarah
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Ren Reynolds <ren@aldermangroup.com <mailto:ren@aldermangroup.com>> wrote: If anyone is working on the relationship between free speech on the internet and economics, particularly from a public policy point of view - I’d be interested in having a chat. ren
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In response to this, my thoughts would be that there may be a correlation between how much debt an individual carries and their freedom (as experienced phenomenologically perhaps) to communicate online. Some considerations include the propensity of many employers to request Facebook and other social media passwords or page sites as part of the interview process. The more precarious an employee the quieter and more obedient he/she needs to be, neoliberal subjectivation and all that. cc On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:55 AM, diananeal <diananeal@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure about economics. But when someone thinks(doesn't necessarily be true)they approach the world in a different way, and are more likely to be compliant with decisions that are made. I would think economics plays a part in that the more choices a person has the more they feel they have a relationship, an investment in how things will turn out. Someone has a say, and has choices theoretical they would be more productive, and prosperous. So yes, free speech would be an economic good. Everyone wants to be heard, and understood. I think free speech would provide a way for people to meet a basic human need.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: Ren Reynolds <ren@aldermangroup.com> Date: 06/25/2015 16:56 (GMT-06:00) To: Sarah Myers <sarahmye@usc.edu>, air <air-l-aoir.org@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Open Internet (speech) and Economics
I’m pondering the question: can one argue that free speech is an economic good - or at the very least correlates to an increase in some economic measures such as, but not limited to, aggregate measures such as GDP.
There may be richer arguments about relationships to access, opportunity wealth distribution etc, but of the moment I’m just pondering gross measures. Thought i would be interested in these arguments too e.g. I could see that increased ‘speech’ of the privileged may lead to more private for them with drags gross economic indicators up.
ren
On 25 Jun 2015, at 17:53, Sarah Myers <sarahmye@usc.edu> wrote:
Hi Ren,
Could you be a little more specific about what you're interested in? I've been doing a lot of work on free speech issues and commercial Internet platforms, if that's relevant.
Best,
Sarah
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Ren Reynolds <ren@aldermangroup.com <mailto:ren@aldermangroup.com>> wrote: If anyone is working on the relationship between free speech on the internet and economics, particularly from a public policy point of view - I’d be interested in having a chat. ren
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Carol Rose talks about the relationship between free speech, public space, and commerce in her article “Comedy of the Commons” http://www.jstor.org/stable/1599583 In it she argues that social interaction in public space (free speech) is critical to socializing members of society towards common cultural customs. Without public spaces for socialization towards customs, a public becomes “a shapeless mob, whose members neither trade nor converse nor play, but only fight.” Gabriel Mugar Doctoral Candidate, Syracuse University Information Science and Technology www.buildingthecommons.org<http://www.buildingthecommons.org> @gmugar On Jun 26, 2015, at 11:25 AM, MC Cambre <mcambre@ualberta.ca<mailto:mcambre@ualberta.ca>> wrote: In response to this, my thoughts would be that there may be a correlation between how much debt an individual carries and their freedom (as experienced phenomenologically perhaps) to communicate online. Some considerations include the propensity of many employers to request Facebook and other social media passwords or page sites as part of the interview process. The more precarious an employee the quieter and more obedient he/she needs to be, neoliberal subjectivation and all that. cc On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:55 AM, diananeal <diananeal@gmail.com<mailto:diananeal@gmail.com>> wrote: I'm not sure about economics. But when someone thinks(doesn't necessarily be true)they approach the world in a different way, and are more likely to be compliant with decisions that are made. I would think economics plays a part in that the more choices a person has the more they feel they have a relationship, an investment in how things will turn out. Someone has a say, and has choices theoretical they would be more productive, and prosperous. So yes, free speech would be an economic good. Everyone wants to be heard, and understood. I think free speech would provide a way for people to meet a basic human need. Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Ren Reynolds <ren@aldermangroup.com<mailto:ren@aldermangroup.com>> Date: 06/25/2015 16:56 (GMT-06:00) To: Sarah Myers <sarahmye@usc.edu<mailto:sarahmye@usc.edu>>, air <air-l-aoir.org@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l-aoir.org@listserv.aoir.org>> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Open Internet (speech) and Economics I’m pondering the question: can one argue that free speech is an economic good - or at the very least correlates to an increase in some economic measures such as, but not limited to, aggregate measures such as GDP. There may be richer arguments about relationships to access, opportunity wealth distribution etc, but of the moment I’m just pondering gross measures. Thought i would be interested in these arguments too e.g. I could see that increased ‘speech’ of the privileged may lead to more private for them with drags gross economic indicators up. ren On 25 Jun 2015, at 17:53, Sarah Myers <sarahmye@usc.edu<mailto:sarahmye@usc.edu>> wrote: Hi Ren, Could you be a little more specific about what you're interested in? I've been doing a lot of work on free speech issues and commercial Internet platforms, if that's relevant. Best, Sarah On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Ren Reynolds <ren@aldermangroup.com<mailto:ren@aldermangroup.com> <mailto:ren@aldermangroup.com>> wrote: If anyone is working on the relationship between free speech on the internet and economics, particularly from a public policy point of view - I’d be interested in having a chat. ren _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:Air-L@listserv.aoir.org> <mailto:Air-L@listserv.aoir.org> mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org < http://aoir.org/> Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org < http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org> Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ <http://www.aoir.org/> -- Sarah Myers West Doctoral Student and Wallis Annenberg Graduate Research Fellow Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism University of Southern California E-mail: sarahmye@usc.edu<mailto:sarahmye@usc.edu> <mailto:sarahmye@usc.edu> Twitter: @sarahbmyers _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:Air-L@listserv.aoir.org> mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ -- -- Carolina Cambre PhD King's University College @ Western University http://kings-uwo.academia.edu/mariacarolinacambre http://www.bloomsbury.com/us/the-semiotics-of-che-guevara-9781472505293/ _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
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