How about the Chicago Manual of Style citation guidelines, 16th edition? Presumably journal editors/reviewers would find *those* acceptable. http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/tools_citationguide.html I quote here, minus italics: Book published electronically If a book is available in more than one format, cite the version you consulted. For books consulted online, list a URL; include an access date only if one is required by your publisher or discipline. If no fixed page numbers are available, you can include a section title or a chapter or other number. 1. Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice (New York: Penguin Classics, 2007), Kindle edition. 2. Philip B. Kurland and Ralph Lerner, eds., The Founders’ Constitution (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1987), accessed February 28, 2010, http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/. 3. Austen, Pride and Prejudice. 4. Kurland and Lerner, Founder’s Constitution, chap. 10, doc. 19. Austen, Jane. Pride and Prejudice. New York: Penguin Classics, 2007. Kindle edition. Kurland, Philip B., and Ralph Lerner, eds. The Founders’ Constitution. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1987. Accessed February 28, 2010. http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/. --LD On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:40 PM, <air-l-request@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 10:32:17 -0500 From: jeremy hunsinger <jhuns@vt.edu> To: Alex Halavais <alex@halavais.net> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-L] Citing from a Kindle Message-ID: <78BDF849-7CCE-42E5-9FF8-EAC1462B276A@vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
how about a group that centers on bibliography and citation much more closely, like MLA or IFLA or somesuch?
as for page numbers, let me say this... if you submit a paper to a journal and it comes to me without them or some similarly recognized convention, I'm probably going to note that in the review and require it to be done, and I think any editor or reviewer would do the same. As i said, i don't think you necessarily need them for direct quotes, and i think you don't necessarily need them in certain other common sense instances, but sometimes... for reference page numbers or other indexical values are necessary. If a reviewer or editor can't find what you are talking about in a text, they should be... worried... Currently then, the practice is to include them for due diligence. Whether, that changes in our lifetime... i don't know, it could. Should we reject it or change it, for my part, no. I like page numbers immensely, they make my life much easier.
-- Dr. Lane DeNicola Lecturer in Digital Anthropology Department of Anthropology University College London http://www.lanedenicola.name
While I don't see any harm in providing page numbers, I agree with Alex about the horseless carriage thing. It seems unlikely that we'll still be referring to places in documents without using URIs in the (perhaps still distant) future -- it seems too tedious. There's no reason why we shouldn't use anchors or similar techniques instead of manually counting paragraphs; the fact that right now we mostly refer to entire documents via hyperlinks doesn't mean it has to stay that way. And wouldn't it be nice to encode the *kind* of link to a source (e.g. whether you agree to or dispute its claims, whether it's comparable prior research etc). Of course this assumes we'll eventually use hypertext instead of word processors and PDF... Cornelius On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Lane DeNicola <denicola@alum.rpi.edu>wrote:
How about the Chicago Manual of Style citation guidelines, 16th edition? Presumably journal editors/reviewers would find *those* acceptable.
http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/tools_citationguide.html
I quote here, minus italics:
Book published electronically
If a book is available in more than one format, cite the version you consulted. For books consulted online, list a URL; include an access date only if one is required by your publisher or discipline. If no fixed page numbers are available, you can include a section title or a chapter or other number.
1. Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice (New York: Penguin Classics, 2007), Kindle edition. 2. Philip B. Kurland and Ralph Lerner, eds., The Founders’ Constitution (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1987), accessed February 28, 2010, http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/. 3. Austen, Pride and Prejudice. 4. Kurland and Lerner, Founder’s Constitution, chap. 10, doc. 19.
Austen, Jane. Pride and Prejudice. New York: Penguin Classics, 2007. Kindle edition. Kurland, Philip B., and Ralph Lerner, eds. The Founders’ Constitution. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1987. Accessed February 28, 2010. http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/.
--LD
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:40 PM, <air-l-request@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 10:32:17 -0500 From: jeremy hunsinger <jhuns@vt.edu> To: Alex Halavais <alex@halavais.net> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-L] Citing from a Kindle Message-ID: <78BDF849-7CCE-42E5-9FF8-EAC1462B276A@vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
how about a group that centers on bibliography and citation much more
closely, like MLA or IFLA or somesuch?
as for page numbers, let me say this... if you submit a paper to a
journal and it comes to me without them or some similarly recognized convention, I'm probably going to note that in the review and require it to be done, and I think any editor or reviewer would do the same. As i said, i don't think you necessarily need them for direct quotes, and i think you don't necessarily need them in certain other common sense instances, but sometimes... for reference page numbers or other indexical values are necessary. If a reviewer or editor can't find what you are talking about in a text, they should be... worried... Currently then, the practice is to include them for due diligence. Whether, that changes in our lifetime... i don't know, it could. Should we reject it or change it, for my part, no. I like page numbers immensely, they make my life much easier.
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Perhaps the device or software we use to read documents should: - count the chapter/paragraph/word offset position in a Standards-compliant way; - encode these offsets into a Standard URL-path element that is both computer and human-readable - encode the document's name into a permanently referencable URL-path and domain I can imagine something like http://pubs.universityname.ac.uk/lastname.firstname/title/year/chapter-offse... . Documents need to carry the citation format URL for that document. The Kindle needs to be able to generate these URLs based on that format. The citations need to generated wherever the Kindle shares the text, e.g. in pages like http://kindle.amazon.com/popular_highlights and on XPath & XPointer are relevant technical standards. See http://commons.oreilly.com/wiki/index.php/XPath_and_XPointer and in particular http://commons.oreilly.com/wiki/index.php/XPath_and_XPointer/XPointer_Backgr... I hope that helps, Martin. -- Martin@Cleaver.org http://twitter.com/mrjcleaver +1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5) On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:54 AM, Cornelius Puschmann < cornelius.puschmann@uni-duesseldorf.de> wrote:
While I don't see any harm in providing page numbers, I agree with Alex about the horseless carriage thing. It seems unlikely that we'll still be referring to places in documents without using URIs in the (perhaps still distant) future -- it seems too tedious. There's no reason why we shouldn't use anchors or similar techniques instead of manually counting paragraphs; the fact that right now we mostly refer to entire documents via hyperlinks doesn't mean it has to stay that way.
And wouldn't it be nice to encode the *kind* of link to a source (e.g. whether you agree to or dispute its claims, whether it's comparable prior research etc). Of course this assumes we'll eventually use hypertext instead of word processors and PDF...
Cornelius
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Lane DeNicola <denicola@alum.rpi.edu
wrote:
How about the Chicago Manual of Style citation guidelines, 16th edition? Presumably journal editors/reviewers would find *those* acceptable.
http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/tools_citationguide.html
I quote here, minus italics:
Book published electronically
If a book is available in more than one format, cite the version you consulted. For books consulted online, list a URL; include an access date only if one is required by your publisher or discipline. If no fixed page numbers are available, you can include a section title or a chapter or other number.
1. Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice (New York: Penguin Classics, 2007), Kindle edition. 2. Philip B. Kurland and Ralph Lerner, eds., The Founders’ Constitution (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1987), accessed February 28, 2010, http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/. 3. Austen, Pride and Prejudice. 4. Kurland and Lerner, Founder’s Constitution, chap. 10, doc. 19.
Austen, Jane. Pride and Prejudice. New York: Penguin Classics, 2007. Kindle edition. Kurland, Philip B., and Ralph Lerner, eds. The Founders’ Constitution. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1987. Accessed February 28, 2010. http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/.
--LD
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:40 PM, <air-l-request@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 10:32:17 -0500 From: jeremy hunsinger <jhuns@vt.edu> To: Alex Halavais <alex@halavais.net> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-L] Citing from a Kindle Message-ID: <78BDF849-7CCE-42E5-9FF8-EAC1462B276A@vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
how about a group that centers on bibliography and citation much more
closely, like MLA or IFLA or somesuch?
as for page numbers, let me say this... if you submit a paper to a
journal and it comes to me without them or some similarly recognized convention, I'm probably going to note that in the review and require it to be done, and I think any editor or reviewer would do the same. As i said, i don't think you necessarily need them for direct quotes, and i think you don't necessarily need them in certain other common sense instances, but sometimes... for reference page numbers or other indexical values are necessary. If a reviewer or editor can't find what you are talking about in a text, they should be... worried... Currently then, the practice is to include them for due diligence. Whether, that changes in our lifetime... i don't know, it could. Should we reject it or change it, for my part, no. I like page numbers immensely, they make my life much easier.
-- Dr. Lane DeNicola Lecturer in Digital Anthropology Department of Anthropology University College London http://www.lanedenicola.name _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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+49 211 81 15927 (office)
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