On 30/03/2007, at 4:16 AM, air-l-request@listserv.aoir.org wrote: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:31:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Cannon <rcannon100@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Air-l] Origin of the term "Internet" ?
Note, I do not really consider Wired an authority on this subject. Wired is a pop magazine that writes teaser articles to get people to read ads.
Wired is a magazine that has long played an active role in exploring and debating digital culture and if they make a style decision as they did it's significant. It's a good gauge of the way the wind blows. Plus, that piece was an explanation from the magazine's copy chief about their copy department's decision to change their style-- if anything, you must concede that Wired is an authority on itself. Magazines take copy and style questions seriously and I think its admirable that they explained their decision and that they considered such copy questions worthy of a "lifestyle" piece. Further, since the Internet is ultimately a 'pop' medium, I will continue to consider what's happening in so-called pop magazines, blogs etc. as relevant opinions and not wholly subservient to their ad sales departments.
On 3/29/07, Margie Borschke <margieborschke@iinet.net.au> wrote:
Further, since the Internet is ultimately a 'pop' medium....
At the risk of using a silly Internet phrase in an inappropriate forum: O rly? "Considerably" a pop medium I could understand and almost agree with. But "ultimately" a pop medium? Interesting. I feel as if I'm missing a piece of the puzzle. Can you (or someone else) please direct me to further reading that discusses this viewpoint? Without having read such material or been exposed to this line of argument before, my initial thoughts are to rebel against this assertion. I grant that the Internet has evolved immensely since its days as an experimental network created by academics but funded by the US military but to state that it's ultimately a pop medium seems to be a stretch. In fact, I imagine there are significant, perhaps impossible-to-overcome, methodological hurdles for one who would attempt to decide or measure what the Internet "is [for]." Kevin
Of course and what the internet could become is almost meaningless (through repetition) asked all the time. How do pop magazines mesh with technology progress over time? How real are these next steps or really different. Are there any models of this idea of the next step in the pop media or technical press or even the academic press and consumer prices for technology or Moore's law of decreasing processor size. As a further critique and why I am trying to do internet impact studies I believe there was very little new written about the internet in academia in the late and middle 1990's most was repetitive scholarship. Wired has been well critiqued by women scholars that I know of...mostly for sexism but also racism and abilist writing and being highly pro capitalist. What is missing is the plain none hyped impacts of the net. Witness my systems science course where we are studying bio- evolutionary models of economics and evolutionary algorithms and not one female scholar on our reading list. Very cool systems science views NOT. Peter Timusk, B.Math statistics (2002), B.A. legal studies (2006) Carleton University Systems Science Graduate student, University of Ottawa (2006-2007). just trying to stay linear. Read by hundreds of lurkers every week.
In fact, I imagine there are significant, perhaps impossible-to-overcome, methodological hurdles for one who would attempt to decide or measure what the Internet "is [for]."
Kevin _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http:// listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
All, Ultimately, Wired is a just tech industry rag that reflects that industry's agendas, philosophies, and enthusiastic support of a particular form of global capitalism. If a researcher is interested in the impact, consumption habits, and trends of technology and culture in that sphere, then this is good place to start. Honestly, I find more worthwhile information and perspectives on the state of high tech in Wired than in most journals. After all, those individuals, companies, and products highlighted have a significant impact on how technology is developed and packaged, which has a huge effect on the development of culture, social practice, and the economy. The bias in their representation should, like in all media, be taken as a given and a matter of degree. The critiques of Wired, as excluding alternative perspectives that represent critical analysis, excluding voices that don't adhere to its proto-libertarian philosophy or that challenge its Utopian approach to technology, and is at times sexist or classist, are valid, but not particularly surprising in the context of commercial trade or popular media. It seems obvious such a commercial enterprise would ignore these perspectives as antithetical to its basic philosophy and self-interest and those of its target readership. Virtually all commercial media, especially special interest/trade magazines, ignore systemic critiques. Why would Wired be any different? -TED Ted M. Coopman Department of Communication University of Washington On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Peter Timusk wrote:
Of course and what the internet could become is almost meaningless (through repetition) asked all the time. How do pop magazines mesh with technology progress over time? How real are these next steps or really different.
Are there any models of this idea of the next step in the pop media or technical press or even the academic press and consumer prices for technology or Moore's law of decreasing processor size.
As a further critique and why I am trying to do internet impact studies I believe there was very little new written about the internet in academia in the late and middle 1990's most was repetitive scholarship.
Wired has been well critiqued by women scholars that I know of...mostly for sexism but also racism and abilist writing and being highly pro capitalist. What is missing is the plain none hyped impacts of the net.
Witness my systems science course where we are studying bio- evolutionary models of economics and evolutionary algorithms and not one female scholar on our reading list. Very cool systems science views NOT.
Peter Timusk, B.Math statistics (2002), B.A. legal studies (2006) Carleton University Systems Science Graduate student, University of Ottawa (2006-2007). just trying to stay linear. Read by hundreds of lurkers every week.
In fact, I imagine there are significant, perhaps impossible-to-overcome, methodological hurdles for one who would attempt to decide or measure what the Internet "is [for]."
Kevin _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http:// listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
_______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
Ted: You are absolutely correct in opinion. Many of the journals simply did not have the information that I needed when I began my research back in 2001, and many of the books are just beginning to catch up within the past two years. The point is this: once the technology has been employed in most, but not all cases, the critical analysis is often way too late. Where has the criticism been for the systemic erosion of individual rights versus strengthened corporate rights that has been going on since literally 1984 since the AT&T break up. Chris -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Ted M Coopman Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 1:13 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] questioning authority All, Ultimately, Wired is a just tech industry rag that reflects that industry's agendas, philosophies, and enthusiastic support of a particular form of global capitalism. If a researcher is interested in the impact, consumption habits, and trends of technology and culture in that sphere, then this is good place to start. Honestly, I find more worthwhile information and perspectives on the state of high tech in Wired than in most journals. After all, those individuals, companies, and products highlighted have a significant impact on how technology is developed and packaged, which has a huge effect on the development of culture, social practice, and the economy. The bias in their representation should, like in all media, be taken as a given and a matter of degree. The critiques of Wired, as excluding alternative perspectives that represent critical analysis, excluding voices that don't adhere to its proto-libertarian philosophy or that challenge its Utopian approach to technology, and is at times sexist or classist, are valid, but not particularly surprising in the context of commercial trade or popular media. It seems obvious such a commercial enterprise would ignore these perspectives as antithetical to its basic philosophy and self-interest and those of its target readership. Virtually all commercial media, especially special interest/trade magazines, ignore systemic critiques. Why would Wired be any different? -TED Ted M. Coopman Department of Communication University of Washington On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Peter Timusk wrote:
Of course and what the internet could become is almost meaningless (through repetition) asked all the time. How do pop magazines mesh with technology progress over time? How real are these next steps or really different.
Are there any models of this idea of the next step in the pop media or
technical press or even the academic press and consumer prices for technology or Moore's law of decreasing processor size.
As a further critique and why I am trying to do internet impact studies I believe there was very little new written about the internet
in academia in the late and middle 1990's most was repetitive scholarship.
Wired has been well critiqued by women scholars that I know of...mostly for sexism but also racism and abilist writing and being highly pro capitalist. What is missing is the plain none hyped impacts
of the net.
Witness my systems science course where we are studying bio- evolutionary models of economics and evolutionary algorithms and not one female scholar on our reading list. Very cool systems science views NOT.
Peter Timusk, B.Math statistics (2002), B.A. legal studies (2006) Carleton University Systems Science Graduate student, University of Ottawa (2006-2007). just trying to stay linear. Read by hundreds of lurkers every week.
In fact, I imagine there are significant, perhaps impossible-to-overcome, methodological hurdles for one who would attempt to decide or measure what the Internet "is [for]."
Kevin _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change
options or unsubscribe at: http:// listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
_______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
_______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
All, I'm all for critical. If anything we are not critical enough. My point is the difference in critiquing a media outlet for what it is or is not (easy) as opposed to critiquing the policies of government and/or the practices of an industry (more difficult). I may not share the underlying neo-liberal ideology that drives the Economist, but that does not mean that their analysis is faulty or lacks value. You just have to adjust for ideology/bias. While Wired is certainly not in the same league, it is still (IMO) a valuable resource. -TED Ted M. Coopman Department of Communication University of Washington On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Heidelberg, Chris wrote:
Ted:
You are absolutely correct in opinion. Many of the journals simply did not have the information that I needed when I began my research back in 2001, and many of the books are just beginning to catch up within the past two years. The point is this: once the technology has been employed in most, but not all cases, the critical analysis is often way too late. Where has the criticism been for the systemic erosion of individual rights versus strengthened corporate rights that has been going on since literally 1984 since the AT&T break up.
Chris
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Ted M Coopman Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 1:13 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] questioning authority
All,
Ultimately, Wired is a just tech industry rag that reflects that industry's agendas, philosophies, and enthusiastic support of a particular form of global capitalism. If a researcher is interested in the impact, consumption habits, and trends of technology and culture in that sphere, then this is good place to start.
Honestly, I find more worthwhile information and perspectives on the state of high tech in Wired than in most journals. After all, those individuals, companies, and products highlighted have a significant impact on how technology is developed and packaged, which has a huge effect on the development of culture, social practice, and the economy. The bias in their representation should, like in all media, be taken as a given and a matter of degree.
The critiques of Wired, as excluding alternative perspectives that represent critical analysis, excluding voices that don't adhere to its proto-libertarian philosophy or that challenge its Utopian approach to technology, and is at times sexist or classist, are valid, but not particularly surprising in the context of commercial trade or popular media.
It seems obvious such a commercial enterprise would ignore these perspectives as antithetical to its basic philosophy and self-interest and those of its target readership. Virtually all commercial media, especially special interest/trade magazines, ignore systemic critiques. Why would Wired be any different?
-TED
Ted M. Coopman Department of Communication University of Washington
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Peter Timusk wrote:
Of course and what the internet could become is almost meaningless (through repetition) asked all the time. How do pop magazines mesh with technology progress over time? How real are these next steps or really different.
Are there any models of this idea of the next step in the pop media or
technical press or even the academic press and consumer prices for technology or Moore's law of decreasing processor size.
As a further critique and why I am trying to do internet impact studies I believe there was very little new written about the internet
in academia in the late and middle 1990's most was repetitive scholarship.
Wired has been well critiqued by women scholars that I know of...mostly for sexism but also racism and abilist writing and being highly pro capitalist. What is missing is the plain none hyped impacts
of the net.
Witness my systems science course where we are studying bio- evolutionary models of economics and evolutionary algorithms and not one female scholar on our reading list. Very cool systems science views NOT.
Peter Timusk, B.Math statistics (2002), B.A. legal studies (2006) Carleton University Systems Science Graduate student, University of Ottawa (2006-2007). just trying to stay linear. Read by hundreds of lurkers every week.
In fact, I imagine there are significant, perhaps impossible-to-overcome, methodological hurdles for one who would attempt to decide or measure what the Internet "is [for]."
Kevin _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change
options or unsubscribe at: http:// listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
_______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
_______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
All: I agree again Ted. One does not have to agree with a political philosophy to see certain facts that are incontrovertible but colored with an agenda. Often times, our worst critics are right about us; however, it is the underlying spirit of those comments and the motive behind the comments that betray them when one is conducting research. I often find that I learn as much, if not more, from the opposing viewpoint when conducting research or analysis. Facts are facts, but is the context in which facts are often used that color the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth as my law professor was fond of saying. -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Ted M Coopman Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 5:10 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] questioning authority All, I'm all for critical. If anything we are not critical enough. My point is the difference in critiquing a media outlet for what it is or is not (easy) as opposed to critiquing the policies of government and/or the practices of an industry (more difficult). I may not share the underlying neo-liberal ideology that drives the Economist, but that does not mean that their analysis is faulty or lacks value. You just have to adjust for ideology/bias. While Wired is certainly not in the same league, it is still (IMO) a valuable resource. -TED Ted M. Coopman Department of Communication University of Washington On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Heidelberg, Chris wrote:
Ted:
You are absolutely correct in opinion. Many of the journals simply did
not have the information that I needed when I began my research back in 2001, and many of the books are just beginning to catch up within the past two years. The point is this: once the technology has been employed in most, but not all cases, the critical analysis is often way too late. Where has the criticism been for the systemic erosion of individual rights versus strengthened corporate rights that has been going on since literally 1984 since the AT&T break up.
Chris
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Ted M Coopman Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 1:13 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] questioning authority
All,
Ultimately, Wired is a just tech industry rag that reflects that industry's agendas, philosophies, and enthusiastic support of a particular form of global capitalism. If a researcher is interested in
the impact, consumption habits, and trends of technology and culture in that sphere, then this is good place to start.
Honestly, I find more worthwhile information and perspectives on the state of high tech in Wired than in most journals. After all, those individuals, companies, and products highlighted have a significant impact on how technology is developed and packaged, which has a huge effect on the development of culture, social practice, and the economy. The bias in their representation should, like in all media, be taken as a given and a matter of degree.
The critiques of Wired, as excluding alternative perspectives that represent critical analysis, excluding voices that don't adhere to its
proto-libertarian philosophy or that challenge its Utopian approach to
technology, and is at times sexist or classist, are valid, but not particularly surprising in the context of commercial trade or popular media.
It seems obvious such a commercial enterprise would ignore these perspectives as antithetical to its basic philosophy and self-interest
and those of its target readership. Virtually all commercial media, especially special interest/trade magazines, ignore systemic critiques. Why would Wired be any different?
-TED
Ted M. Coopman Department of Communication University of Washington
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Peter Timusk wrote:
Of course and what the internet could become is almost meaningless (through repetition) asked all the time. How do pop magazines mesh with technology progress over time? How real are these next steps or really different.
Are there any models of this idea of the next step in the pop media or
technical press or even the academic press and consumer prices for technology or Moore's law of decreasing processor size.
As a further critique and why I am trying to do internet impact studies I believe there was very little new written about the internet
in academia in the late and middle 1990's most was repetitive scholarship.
Wired has been well critiqued by women scholars that I know of...mostly for sexism but also racism and abilist writing and being highly pro capitalist. What is missing is the plain none hyped impacts
of the net.
Witness my systems science course where we are studying bio- evolutionary models of economics and evolutionary algorithms and not one female scholar on our reading list. Very cool systems science views NOT.
Peter Timusk, B.Math statistics (2002), B.A. legal studies (2006) Carleton University Systems Science Graduate student, University of Ottawa (2006-2007). just trying to stay linear. Read by hundreds of lurkers every week.
In fact, I imagine there are significant, perhaps impossible-to-overcome, methodological hurdles for one who would attempt to decide or measure what the Internet "is [for]."
Kevin _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change
options or unsubscribe at: http:// listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
_______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change
options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
_______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
_______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
Witness my systems science course where we are studying bio- evolutionary models of economics and evolutionary algorithms and not one female scholar on our reading list. Very cool systems science views NOT.
Relatedly - Melanie Mitchell's book on genetic algorithms is very useful - perhaps you should suggest it to others around you. Hope this helps, in the interest of re-balancing the genders.... --e
Actually I was wrong because her book is included in our reading list and our library has an on-line copy I have been reading. In legal scholarship we have started to quote first names for gender identification but when I was accessing Mitchell I wasn't seeing her first name. Thanks for your help there. Peter Timusk, B.Math statistics (2002), B.A. legal studies (2006) Carleton University Systems Science Graduate student, University of Ottawa (2006-2007). just trying to stay linear. Read by hundreds of lurkers every week. On 30-Mar-07, at 5:41 PM, elw@stderr.org wrote:
Witness my systems science course where we are studying bio- evolutionary models of economics and evolutionary algorithms and not one female scholar on our reading list. Very cool systems science views NOT.
Relatedly -
Melanie Mitchell's book on genetic algorithms is very useful - perhaps you should suggest it to others around you.
Hope this helps, in the interest of re-balancing the genders....
--e _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http:// listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
participants (6)
-
elw＠stderr.org -
Heidelberg, Chris -
Kevin Guidry -
Margie Borschke -
Peter Timusk -
Ted M Coopman