For everyone and their grad students: Fake, pay-to-publish journals & conferences
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/health/for-scientists-an-exploding-world-o... "The scientists who were recruited to appear at a conference called Entomology-2013 thought they had been selected to make a presentation to the leading professional association of scientists who study insects. But they found out the hard way that they were wrong...." This has been a problem for a while, but now it's big enough to be a newspaper story. ------------------------------- Nathaniel Poor, Ph.D. http://natpoor.blogspot.com/ https://sites.google.com/site/natpoor/
How long till someone marries up the PGP Web-of-Trust and LinkedIn and ISI impact factors / JCR and some other social media data to vet conferences as reputable or not? Imagine cryptographically signing that you were at a conference and found it viable as a real academic interaction - or not. And being able to mark as trusted/invalidating other people's evaluations of events. And imagine how little time it would take for people to start trying to game such a system. ;-) best, --e On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Nathaniel Poor <natpoor@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/health/for-scientists-an-exploding-world-o...
"The scientists who were recruited to appear at a conference called Entomology-2013 thought they had been selected to make a presentation to the leading professional association of scientists who study insects. But they found out the hard way that they were wrong...."
This has been a problem for a while, but now it's big enough to be a newspaper story.
------------------------------- Nathaniel Poor, Ph.D. http://natpoor.blogspot.com/ https://sites.google.com/site/natpoor/
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Elijah, I share your skepticism... For why webs of trust will always fail, see http://xkcd.com/364/ :) Steve Lovaas Colorado State University -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Elijah Wright Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 9:38 AM To: Nathaniel Poor Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org list Subject: Re: [Air-L] For everyone and their grad students: Fake, pay-to-publish journals & conferences How long till someone marries up the PGP Web-of-Trust and LinkedIn and ISI impact factors / JCR and some other social media data to vet conferences as reputable or not? Imagine cryptographically signing that you were at a conference and found it viable as a real academic interaction - or not. And being able to mark as trusted/invalidating other people's evaluations of events. And imagine how little time it would take for people to start trying to game such a system. ;-) best, --e On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Nathaniel Poor <natpoor@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/health/for-scientists-an-exploding-w orld-of-pseudo-academia.html
"The scientists who were recruited to appear at a conference called Entomology-2013 thought they had been selected to make a presentation to the leading professional association of scientists who study insects. But they found out the hard way that they were wrong...."
This has been a problem for a while, but now it's big enough to be a newspaper story.
------------------------------- Nathaniel Poor, Ph.D. http://natpoor.blogspot.com/ https://sites.google.com/site/natpoor/
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Publishing may be dirt cheap but any systematic/formal e.g. academic publishing isn't free... So the problem is that while there is a necessary and valuable shift from commercial publishing (and outrageous profiteering) to open access online publishing there really aren't any good business models yet to cover the (much less but not totally trivial) costs of the new forms of academic publishing. If for whatever reason (and there are lots including the issues pointed to here) one doesn't want to go to a pay for play model that leaves advertising(???) or donations (???) or... M -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Elijah Wright Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 8:38 AM To: Nathaniel Poor Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org list Subject: Re: [Air-L] For everyone and their grad students: Fake, pay-to-publish journals & conferences How long till someone marries up the PGP Web-of-Trust and LinkedIn and ISI impact factors / JCR and some other social media data to vet conferences as reputable or not? Imagine cryptographically signing that you were at a conference and found it viable as a real academic interaction - or not. And being able to mark as trusted/invalidating other people's evaluations of events. And imagine how little time it would take for people to start trying to game such a system. ;-) best, --e On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Nathaniel Poor <natpoor@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/health/for-scientists-an-exploding-w orld-of-pseudo-academia.html
"The scientists who were recruited to appear at a conference called Entomology-2013 thought they had been selected to make a presentation to the leading professional association of scientists who study insects. But they found out the hard way that they were wrong...."
This has been a problem for a while, but now it's big enough to be a newspaper story.
------------------------------- Nathaniel Poor, Ph.D. http://natpoor.blogspot.com/ https://sites.google.com/site/natpoor/
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mmm… It is worthwhile to distinguish "publishing" from "distribution". Distribution has gotten much cheaper. Publishing remains a highly labor intensive activity that requires significant expertise and organization to do well. …. On Apr 8, 2013, at 1:42 PM, michael gurstein wrote:
Publishing may be dirt cheap but any systematic/formal e.g. academic publishing isn't free... So the problem is that while there is a necessary and valuable shift from commercial publishing (and outrageous profiteering) to open access online publishing there really aren't any good business models yet to cover the (much less but not totally trivial) costs of the new forms of academic publishing.
If for whatever reason (and there are lots including the issues pointed to here) one doesn't want to go to a pay for play model that leaves advertising(???) or donations (???) or...
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-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Elijah Wright Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 8:38 AM To: Nathaniel Poor Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org list Subject: Re: [Air-L] For everyone and their grad students: Fake, pay-to-publish journals & conferences
How long till someone marries up the PGP Web-of-Trust and LinkedIn and ISI impact factors / JCR and some other social media data to vet conferences as reputable or not?
Imagine cryptographically signing that you were at a conference and found it viable as a real academic interaction - or not. And being able to mark as trusted/invalidating other people's evaluations of events.
And imagine how little time it would take for people to start trying to game such a system. ;-)
best,
--e
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Nathaniel Poor <natpoor@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/health/for-scientists-an-exploding-w orld-of-pseudo-academia.html
"The scientists who were recruited to appear at a conference called Entomology-2013 thought they had been selected to make a presentation to the leading professional association of scientists who study insects. But they found out the hard way that they were wrong...."
This has been a problem for a while, but now it's big enough to be a newspaper story.
------------------------------- Nathaniel Poor, Ph.D. http://natpoor.blogspot.com/ https://sites.google.com/site/natpoor/
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