Difficult conversations
Dear all I have been following the discussion here very closely throughout what has been a very long day. I wish to address a couple of points from the various posts that have been sent. For those of you who don’t know me, I am, among other things, the President of AoIR, Jewish, and Israeli. I have skin in the game. For some, this may disqualify me from speaking; for others, my lived experience may be considered relevant. If you know me, you likely know my views on the conflict and the current government. I do not feel a need to share them here. For the sake of openness, though, I can say that I am yet to see a statement about the conflict that does justice to the complexities of the situation. My primary concern right now, therefore, is for AoIR. I think it is already clear that it is unlikely that the AoIR community will agree on a statement about the current situation in the Middle East. So far, the discussion has, by and large, been pretty civil, though I am extremely concerned that it might stop being so. Let me remind everyone of our code of conduct ( https://aoir.org/codeofconduct) and the rules of use ( https://aoir.org/mailing-lists/mailing-list-rules-and-etiquette) for the mailing list. On a practical note, and after conversations with the exec members who were available today, the conversation on this list will be slowed down a bit. Every message will get through (unless it really shouldn’t), though not immediately. It’s 1am where I am, but tomorrow morning I will release a bunch of messages, and will continue to do so through the day. I know that this conflict has already cost people real friendships within academia. It must not cost us our community. Nik Nicholas John Associate Professor President, Association of Internet Researchers Department of Communication and Journalism The Hebrew University of Jerusalem
So the response of the self-acclaimed Israeli who is the AoIR President to this imperative issue is to stifle conversation?!!! WOW!! Just WOW!!! Rasha A. Abdulla Professor Journalism and Mass Communication The American University in Cairo Twitter: @RashaAbdulla http://twitter.com/rashaabdulla On Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 9:48 AM Nicholas John via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Dear all
I have been following the discussion here very closely throughout what has been a very long day. I wish to address a couple of points from the various posts that have been sent.
For those of you who don’t know me, I am, among other things, the President of AoIR, Jewish, and Israeli. I have skin in the game. For some, this may disqualify me from speaking; for others, my lived experience may be considered relevant. If you know me, you likely know my views on the conflict and the current government. I do not feel a need to share them here. For the sake of openness, though, I can say that I am yet to see a statement about the conflict that does justice to the complexities of the situation.
My primary concern right now, therefore, is for AoIR. I think it is already clear that it is unlikely that the AoIR community will agree on a statement about the current situation in the Middle East. So far, the discussion has, by and large, been pretty civil, though I am extremely concerned that it might stop being so. Let me remind everyone of our code of conduct ( https://aoir.org/codeofconduct) and the rules of use ( https://aoir.org/mailing-lists/mailing-list-rules-and-etiquette) for the mailing list.
On a practical note, and after conversations with the exec members who were available today, the conversation on this list will be slowed down a bit. Every message will get through (unless it really shouldn’t), though not immediately. It’s 1am where I am, but tomorrow morning I will release a bunch of messages, and will continue to do so through the day.
I know that this conflict has already cost people real friendships within academia. It must not cost us our community.
Nik
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As I mentioned earlier, since a balanced approach is being called out by all, I do not understand why difficult conversations do not include response to what happened after Hamas brutal attack on Humans (including documented murders of newborn etc.). It is a good opportunity for Palestinian Academics to denounce what happened and to confirm that they do not stand with Hamas. I have not seen any statements of denouncement by the Palestinian Academics. Please direct me to such statements by the very same academics who now say that there is a Humanitarian Crisis in Palestine where they live and work and they need support. On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 09:23, Dr. Rasha Abdulla via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
So the response of the self-acclaimed Israeli who is the AoIR President to this imperative issue is to stifle conversation?!!! WOW!! Just WOW!!!
Rasha A. Abdulla Professor Journalism and Mass Communication The American University in Cairo Twitter: @RashaAbdulla http://twitter.com/rashaabdulla
On Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 9:48 AM Nicholas John via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Dear all
I have been following the discussion here very closely throughout what has been a very long day. I wish to address a couple of points from the various posts that have been sent.
For those of you who don’t know me, I am, among other things, the President of AoIR, Jewish, and Israeli. I have skin in the game. For some, this may disqualify me from speaking; for others, my lived experience may be considered relevant. If you know me, you likely know my views on the conflict and the current government. I do not feel a need to share them here. For the sake of openness, though, I can say that I am yet to see a statement about the conflict that does justice to the complexities of the situation.
My primary concern right now, therefore, is for AoIR. I think it is already clear that it is unlikely that the AoIR community will agree on a statement about the current situation in the Middle East. So far, the discussion has, by and large, been pretty civil, though I am extremely concerned that it might stop being so. Let me remind everyone of our code of conduct ( https://aoir.org/codeofconduct) and the rules of use ( https://aoir.org/mailing-lists/mailing-list-rules-and-etiquette) for the mailing list.
On a practical note, and after conversations with the exec members who were available today, the conversation on this list will be slowed down a bit. Every message will get through (unless it really shouldn’t), though not immediately. It’s 1am where I am, but tomorrow morning I will release a bunch of messages, and will continue to do so through the day.
I know that this conflict has already cost people real friendships within academia. It must not cost us our community.
Nik
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So the response of the self-acclaimed Israeli who is the AoIR President to this imperative issue is to stifle conversation?!!! WOW!! Just WOW!!!
Rasha A. Abdulla Professor Journalism and Mass Communication The American University in Cairo Twitter: @RashaAbdulla http://twitter.com/rashaabdulla
On Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 9:48 AM Nicholas John via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Dear all
I have been following the discussion here very closely throughout what has been a very long day. I wish to address a couple of points from the various posts that have been sent.
For those of you who don’t know me, I am, among other things, the President of AoIR, Jewish, and Israeli. I have skin in the game. For some, this may disqualify me from speaking; for others, my lived experience may be considered relevant. If you know me, you likely know my views on the conflict and the current government. I do not feel a need to share them here. For the sake of openness, though, I can say that I am yet to see a statement about the conflict that does justice to the complexities of the situation.
My primary concern right now, therefore, is for AoIR. I think it is already clear that it is unlikely that the AoIR community will agree on a statement about the current situation in the Middle East. So far, the discussion has, by and large, been pretty civil, though I am extremely concerned that it might stop being so. Let me remind everyone of our code of conduct ( https://aoir.org/codeofconduct) and the rules of use ( https://aoir.org/mailing-lists/mailing-list-rules-and-etiquette) for the mailing list.
On a practical note, and after conversations with the exec members who were available today, the conversation on this list will be slowed down a bit. Every message will get through (unless it really shouldn’t), though not immediately. It’s 1am where I am, but tomorrow morning I will release a bunch of messages, and will continue to do so through the day.
I know that this conflict has already cost people real friendships within academia. It must not cost us our community.
Nik
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Thank you for your leadership during these extraordinarily challenging times, Nik. From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Nicholas John via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 2:49 AM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: [Air-L] Difficult conversations Dear all I have been following the discussion here very closely throughout what has been a very long day. I wish to address a couple of points from the various posts that have been sent. For those of you who don’t know me, I am, among other things, the President of AoIR, Jewish, and Israeli. I have skin in the game. For some, this may disqualify me from speaking; for others, my lived experience may be considered relevant. If you know me, you likely know my views on the conflict and the current government. I do not feel a need to share them here. For the sake of openness, though, I can say that I am yet to see a statement about the conflict that does justice to the complexities of the situation. My primary concern right now, therefore, is for AoIR. I think it is already clear that it is unlikely that the AoIR community will agree on a statement about the current situation in the Middle East. So far, the discussion has, by and large, been pretty civil, though I am extremely concerned that it might stop being so. Let me remind everyone of our code of conduct ( https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faoir.org%2Fcodeofconduct&data=05%7C02%7Cm.alper%40northeastern.edu%7Cdef8ec0810b84813b84308dc1be7dc2d%7Ca8eec281aaa34daeac9b9a398b9215e7%7C0%7C0%7C638415929861845389%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Sc%2FdqMStVrqHc4NAFGbeSX89i%2FZAsNiQXPAKocGO8ls%3D&reserved=0)<https://aoir.org/codeofconduct> and the rules of use ( https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faoir.org%2Fmailing-lists%2Fmailing-list-rules-and-etiquette&data=05%7C02%7Cm.alper%40northeastern.edu%7Cdef8ec0810b84813b84308dc1be7dc2d%7Ca8eec281aaa34daeac9b9a398b9215e7%7C0%7C0%7C638415929861853173%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=9K6nwBWnOR7OOQ9eR9398I9GIsYaWeqDBP3i6SwjQ0c%3D&reserved=0)<https://aoir.org/mailing-lists/mailing-list-rules-and-etiquette> for the mailing list. On a practical note, and after conversations with the exec members who were available today, the conversation on this list will be slowed down a bit. Every message will get through (unless it really shouldn’t), though not immediately. It’s 1am where I am, but tomorrow morning I will release a bunch of messages, and will continue to do so through the day. I know that this conflict has already cost people real friendships within academia. It must not cost us our community. Nik Nicholas John Associate Professor President, Association of Internet Researchers Department of Communication and Journalism The Hebrew University of Jerusalem _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faoir.org%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cm.alper%40northeastern.edu%7Cdef8ec0810b84813b84308dc1be7dc2d%7Ca8eec281aaa34daeac9b9a398b9215e7%7C0%7C0%7C638415929861858842%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3bC8Y76l3ORc67GlDE0yKRHDiTEworg9dxChn6jE6As%3D&reserved=0<http://aoir.org/> Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flistserv.aoir.org%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fair-l-aoir.org&data=05%7C02%7Cm.alper%40northeastern.edu%7Cdef8ec0810b84813b84308dc1be7dc2d%7Ca8eec281aaa34daeac9b9a398b9215e7%7C0%7C0%7C638415929861863269%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NKkRl8St8lAjY9UZHOsvxWnttfSbzSmIMXKNIgRLb5A%3D&reserved=0<http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org> Join the Association of Internet Researchers: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aoir.org%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cm.alper%40northeastern.edu%7Cdef8ec0810b84813b84308dc1be7dc2d%7Ca8eec281aaa34daeac9b9a398b9215e7%7C0%7C0%7C638415929861867784%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3dcnX1fift0XnNG4qp%2FDSaWHhMpTJJzf7hU2ynlrUzI%3D&reserved=0<http://www.aoir.org/>
Dear Dr. John: You write of your worry that continuing this debate and publishing a statement might “cost us our community.” I think the AOIR Executive should take very seriously the reality that choosing to ignore the war in Gaza by not issuing a statement would also be divisive to the AOIR community. It silences the many members who labour under the well-documented (UN statement: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/speaking-out-gaza-israel-mus...) penalties of censure, blacklists and firing for expressing support for Palestinians and for criticizing Israeli policies and military strategies. The fracture, I fear, has already happened. Silence won’t fix that. I would hope that every academic on this listserv could at least agree that the Israeli military’s destruction of Gaza’s university system, the killing of so many Palestinian academics and the killing of an unprecedented number of journalists deserves harsh censure from the global academic community, including from Israeli academics. As I noted in my previous email, war crimes and genocide are illegal and immoral, no matter the context. What’s more, they destroy the victims and demean the perpetrators. As such, condemning such atrocities is an act of loyalty to the state, though it may not feel that way in the moment. The region’s history may be complex, but these specific actions are not. There is room to condemn Hamas’ shockingly brutal attack while also recognizing that Israel itself has agency, and has committed many war crimes in its prosecution of the war. If AOIR as a community cannot even find it within itself to condemn such extraordinary (and relevant to us) atrocities against our fellow academics and students, it will send a clear message to AOIR’s members about whose voices count in this community, and whose don’t. On a technical note, my last email took almost eight hours to appear. Is this normal? I was very surprised at the very long lead time. This doesn’t seem to be the case for every email that appeared on the main thread. Regards, Blayne Blayne Haggart Associate Professor On sabbatical, July 2023-June 2024 Department of Political Science Brock University St. Catharines, ON Canada New book: The New Knowledge: Information, Data and the Remaking of Global Power (with Natasha Tusikov). Rowman and Littlefield. Open Access: https://blaynehaggart.files.wordpress.com/2023/07/haggart-tusikov-the-new-kn... Also out: Power and Authority in Internet Governance: Return of the State? Edited by Blayne Haggart, Natasha Tusikov and Jan Aart Scholte Buy it here: https://www.routledge.com/Power-and-Authority-in-Internet-Governance-Return-... On Jan 22, 2024, at 6:10 PM, Nicholas John via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote: Dear all I have been following the discussion here very closely throughout what has been a very long day. I wish to address a couple of points from the various posts that have been sent. For those of you who don’t know me, I am, among other things, the President of AoIR, Jewish, and Israeli. I have skin in the game. For some, this may disqualify me from speaking; for others, my lived experience may be considered relevant. If you know me, you likely know my views on the conflict and the current government. I do not feel a need to share them here. For the sake of openness, though, I can say that I am yet to see a statement about the conflict that does justice to the complexities of the situation. My primary concern right now, therefore, is for AoIR. I think it is already clear that it is unlikely that the AoIR community will agree on a statement about the current situation in the Middle East. So far, the discussion has, by and large, been pretty civil, though I am extremely concerned that it might stop being so. Let me remind everyone of our code of conduct ( https://aoir.org/codeofconduct) and the rules of use ( https://aoir.org/mailing-lists/mailing-list-rules-and-etiquette) for the mailing list. On a practical note, and after conversations with the exec members who were available today, the conversation on this list will be slowed down a bit. Every message will get through (unless it really shouldn’t), though not immediately. It’s 1am where I am, but tomorrow morning I will release a bunch of messages, and will continue to do so through the day. I know that this conflict has already cost people real friendships within academia. It must not cost us our community. Nik Nicholas John Associate Professor President, Association of Internet Researchers Department of Communication and Journalism The Hebrew University of Jerusalem _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
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Dear all
I have been following the discussion here very closely throughout what has been a very long day. I wish to address a couple of points from the various posts that have been sent.
For those of you who don’t know me, I am, among other things, the President of AoIR, Jewish, and Israeli. I have skin in the game. For some, this may disqualify me from speaking; for others, my lived experience may be considered relevant. If you know me, you likely know my views on the conflict and the current government. I do not feel a need to share them here. For the sake of openness, though, I can say that I am yet to see a statement about the conflict that does justice to the complexities of the situation.
My primary concern right now, therefore, is for AoIR. I think it is already clear that it is unlikely that the AoIR community will agree on a statement about the current situation in the Middle East. So far, the discussion has, by and large, been pretty civil, though I am extremely concerned that it might stop being so. Let me remind everyone of our code of conduct ( https://aoir.org/codeofconduct) and the rules of use ( https://aoir.org/mailing-lists/mailing-list-rules-and-etiquette) for the mailing list.
On a practical note, and after conversations with the exec members who were available today, the conversation on this list will be slowed down a bit. Every message will get through (unless it really shouldn’t), though not immediately. It’s 1am where I am, but tomorrow morning I will release a bunch of messages, and will continue to do so through the day.
I know that this conflict has already cost people real friendships within academia. It must not cost us our community.
Nik
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