RE: Why Retweet works the way it does http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html <BY: Evan Williams (born March 31, 1972) is an American entrepreneur who has founded several Internet companies, including Pyra Labs (creator of weblog-authoring software Blogger) and Twitter, of which he is currently CEO.> I think it's interesting that Ev <creator of Twitter> misses the most valued function of the retweet <to this user>, which is the linkage between the retweeter and the original author of the RT tweet - the creator of Twitter's new modification of retweet removes the citation factor - The current Twitter syntax of say, Richard Smith retweeting something about surveillance and blogging makes me follow a link about say, blogging, precisely because Richard Smith is citing it. For the URL simply to appear in my InBox from ZX would be meaningless. This is a good example of where a tool designer fails to talk to users about what is good about the actual design and what would then, be lost in the supposed "improvement". Mary -- Dr. Mary K. Bryson, Professor and Director, Network of Centers and Institutes in Education (NCIE) & Center for Cross-Faculty Inquiry (CCFI), Faculty of Education, University of British Columbia Archive: http://ubc.academia.edu/MaryKBryson CCFI: Innovation Works Here http://ccfi.educ.ubc.ca/
I share your disappointment. Scott Golder, Gilad Lotan, and I investigated retweeting practices in the spring and summer and found a whole plethora of different practices that are not supported by this implementation. We wrote this up in a HICSS paper that will be published and presented in January, but we've made a draft version available for those who want to know more about retweeting: Tweet, Tweet, Retweet: Conversational Aspects of Retweeting on Twitter danah boyd, Scott Golder, Gilad Lotan HICSS 2010 http://www.danah.org/papers/TweetTweetRetweet.pdf Enjoy! danah On Nov 11, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
RE: Why Retweet works the way it does
http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html <BY: Evan Williams (born March 31, 1972) is an American entrepreneur who has founded several Internet companies, including Pyra Labs (creator of weblog-authoring software Blogger) and Twitter, of which he is currently CEO.>
I think it's interesting that Ev <creator of Twitter> misses the most valued function of the retweet <to this user>, which is the linkage between the retweeter and the original author of the RT tweet - the creator of Twitter's new modification of retweet removes the citation factor - The current Twitter syntax of say, Richard Smith retweeting something about surveillance and blogging makes me follow a link about say, blogging, precisely because Richard Smith is citing it. For the URL simply to appear in my InBox from ZX would be meaningless. This is a good example of where a tool designer fails to talk to users about what is good about the actual design and what would then, be lost in the supposed "improvement".
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I'm assuming the comments will be put in a second, standard tweet send immediately after and a syntaxt meaning “This is a comment regarding the just previously re-tweeted message by [original poster]” (maybe ‘Re:RT @original_poster’, or better R@orignial_poster) This will actually allow you to add a “full” comment, and I like that, and it seems it will alleviate the tensions that boyd et al. detail in their paper. Whaterver is the outcome, the whole thing will be an interesting experiment in how an actor with a legitimate authority over a communication tool can take back the control over crowd-sourced innovation. 2009/11/12 danah boyd <aoir.z3z@danah.org>:
I share your disappointment. Scott Golder, Gilad Lotan, and I investigated retweeting practices in the spring and summer and found a whole plethora of different practices that are not supported by this implementation. We wrote this up in a HICSS paper that will be published and presented in January, but we've made a draft version available for those who want to know more about retweeting:
Tweet, Tweet, Retweet: Conversational Aspects of Retweeting on Twitter danah boyd, Scott Golder, Gilad Lotan HICSS 2010 http://www.danah.org/papers/TweetTweetRetweet.pdf
Enjoy!
danah
On Nov 11, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
RE: Why Retweet works the way it does
http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html <BY: Evan Williams (born March 31, 1972) is an American entrepreneur who has founded several Internet companies, including Pyra Labs (creator of weblog-authoring software Blogger) and Twitter, of which he is currently CEO.>
I think it's interesting that Ev <creator of Twitter> misses the most valued function of the retweet <to this user>, which is the linkage between the retweeter and the original author of the RT tweet - the creator of Twitter's new modification of retweet removes the citation factor - The current Twitter syntax of say, Richard Smith retweeting something about surveillance and blogging makes me follow a link about say, blogging, precisely because Richard Smith is citing it. For the URL simply to appear in my InBox from ZX would be meaningless. This is a good example of where a tool designer fails to talk to users about what is good about the actual design and what would then, be lost in the supposed "improvement".
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Thanks for sending this fabulous paper, danah - Danah + colleagues' paper provides lots of really good examples that underscore the socio-cultural complexities of retweeting - and to the point here, specifically what will be lost in Twitter's own redesign of the RT syntax. Twitters redesigned syntax -- Described here -- http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html --drops the identity of the sender of the RT as a communicative agent out of the RT message. This break in the social economy of Twitter's crowd sourcing network eliminates the additional information provided by the linkage between the author-A- of the tweet that gets retweeted by Sender-B - and that information, in the case of my own use of Twitter, is specifically and importantly part of the reputational economy that tells me fairly reliably - Sender B provides very reliable information about blogs and consumer health info - for example - therefore, I will likely want to take 5 seconds and click on this URL. If I don't know author-A - and this is how the retweet will show up in Twitter's new design -- as a message from someone I don't actually follow - the likelihood that I will look at the URL is close to zero. Much <intelligence> is lost in this redesign. Mary
From: danah boyd <aoir.z3z@danah.org> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:15:44 -0500 To: Mary Bryson <mary.bryson@ubc.ca> Cc: <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Twitter Re-Design
I share your disappointment. Scott Golder, Gilad Lotan, and I investigated retweeting practices in the spring and summer and found a whole plethora of different practices that are not supported by this implementation. We wrote this up in a HICSS paper that will be published and presented in January, but we've made a draft version available for those who want to know more about retweeting:
Tweet, Tweet, Retweet: Conversational Aspects of Retweeting on Twitter danah boyd, Scott Golder, Gilad Lotan HICSS 2010 http://www.danah.org/papers/TweetTweetRetweet.pdf
Enjoy!
danah
On Nov 11, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
RE: Why Retweet works the way it does
http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html <BY: Evan Williams (born March 31, 1972) is an American entrepreneur who has founded several Internet companies, including Pyra Labs (creator of weblog-authoring software Blogger) and Twitter, of which he is currently CEO.>
I think it's interesting that Ev <creator of Twitter> misses the most valued function of the retweet <to this user>, which is the linkage between the retweeter and the original author of the RT tweet - the creator of Twitter's new modification of retweet removes the citation factor - The current Twitter syntax of say, Richard Smith retweeting something about surveillance and blogging makes me follow a link about say, blogging, precisely because Richard Smith is citing it. For the URL simply to appear in my InBox from ZX would be meaningless. This is a good example of where a tool designer fails to talk to users about what is good about the actual design and what would then, be lost in the supposed "improvement".
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By the by - Rael said that they've pulled back the deployment of this feature redesign. Apparently there were some technical difficulties. So retweet design is on hold for the time being. Hopefully while they figure out the backend issues, they can also rethink the design strategy. Sharon Greenfield Digital Ethnographer @SharonG On Nov 11, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
Thanks for sending this fabulous paper, danah -
Danah + colleagues' paper provides lots of really good examples that underscore the socio-cultural complexities of retweeting - and to the point here, specifically what will be lost in Twitter's own redesign of the RT syntax. Twitters redesigned syntax -- Described here -- http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html
--drops the identity of the sender of the RT as a communicative agent out of the RT message. This break in the social economy of Twitter's crowd sourcing network eliminates the additional information provided by the linkage between the author-A- of the tweet that gets retweeted by Sender-B - and that information, in the case of my own use of Twitter, is specifically and importantly part of the reputational economy that tells me fairly reliably - Sender B provides very reliable information about blogs and consumer health info - for example - therefore, I will likely want to take 5 seconds and click on this URL. If I don't know author-A - and this is how the retweet will show up in Twitter's new design -- as a message from someone I don't actually follow - the likelihood that I will look at the URL is close to zero. Much <intelligence> is lost in this redesign.
Mary
From: danah boyd <aoir.z3z@danah.org> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:15:44 -0500 To: Mary Bryson <mary.bryson@ubc.ca> Cc: <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Twitter Re-Design
I share your disappointment. Scott Golder, Gilad Lotan, and I investigated retweeting practices in the spring and summer and found a whole plethora of different practices that are not supported by this implementation. We wrote this up in a HICSS paper that will be published and presented in January, but we've made a draft version available for those who want to know more about retweeting:
Tweet, Tweet, Retweet: Conversational Aspects of Retweeting on Twitter danah boyd, Scott Golder, Gilad Lotan HICSS 2010 http://www.danah.org/papers/TweetTweetRetweet.pdf
Enjoy!
danah
On Nov 11, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
RE: Why Retweet works the way it does
http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html <BY: Evan Williams (born March 31, 1972) is an American entrepreneur who has founded several Internet companies, including Pyra Labs (creator of weblog-authoring software Blogger) and Twitter, of which he is currently CEO.>
I think it's interesting that Ev <creator of Twitter> misses the most valued function of the retweet <to this user>, which is the linkage between the retweeter and the original author of the RT tweet - the creator of Twitter's new modification of retweet removes the citation factor - The current Twitter syntax of say, Richard Smith retweeting something about surveillance and blogging makes me follow a link about say, blogging, precisely because Richard Smith is citing it. For the URL simply to appear in my InBox from ZX would be meaningless. This is a good example of where a tool designer fails to talk to users about what is good about the actual design and what would then, be lost in the supposed "improvement".
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The blog that I was quoting from concerning the redesign, was published yesterday, and is written by Evan Williams, CEO of Twitter, announcing that: This week on Twitter, we're rolling a feature we've been working on for a while out to a lot more users. (If you don't have it yet, you will soon.) That feature is our native version of Retweet, which Biz posted <http://blog.twitter.com/2009/08/project-retweet-phase-one.html> about on the Twitter blog a couple months ago. http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html Seems like a done deal. Cheers, Mary -- Dr. Mary K. Bryson, Professor and Director, Network of Centers and Institutes in Education (NCIE) & Center for Cross-Faculty Inquiry (CCFI), Faculty of Education, University of British Columbia Archive: http://ubc.academia.edu/MaryKBryson CCFI: Innovation Works Here http://ccfi.educ.ubc.ca/
From: live <human.factor.one@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:34:34 -0800 To: Mary Bryson <mary.bryson@ubc.ca> Cc: danah boyd <aoir.z3z@danah.org>, <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Twitter Re-Design
By the by - Rael said that they've pulled back the deployment of this feature redesign. Apparently there were some technical difficulties. So retweet design is on hold for the time being. Hopefully while they figure out the backend issues, they can also rethink the design strategy.
Sharon Greenfield Digital Ethnographer @SharonG
On Nov 11, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
Thanks for sending this fabulous paper, danah -
Danah + colleagues' paper provides lots of really good examples that underscore the socio-cultural complexities of retweeting - and to the point here, specifically what will be lost in Twitter's own redesign of the RT syntax. Twitters redesigned syntax -- Described here -- http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html
--drops the identity of the sender of the RT as a communicative agent out of the RT message. This break in the social economy of Twitter's crowd sourcing network eliminates the additional information provided by the linkage between the author-A- of the tweet that gets retweeted by Sender-B - and that information, in the case of my own use of Twitter, is specifically and importantly part of the reputational economy that tells me fairly reliably - Sender B provides very reliable information about blogs and consumer health info - for example - therefore, I will likely want to take 5 seconds and click on this URL. If I don't know author-A - and this is how the retweet will show up in Twitter's new design -- as a message from someone I don't actually follow - the likelihood that I will look at the URL is close to zero. Much <intelligence> is lost in this redesign.
Mary
From: danah boyd <aoir.z3z@danah.org> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:15:44 -0500 To: Mary Bryson <mary.bryson@ubc.ca> Cc: <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Twitter Re-Design
I share your disappointment. Scott Golder, Gilad Lotan, and I investigated retweeting practices in the spring and summer and found a whole plethora of different practices that are not supported by this implementation. We wrote this up in a HICSS paper that will be published and presented in January, but we've made a draft version available for those who want to know more about retweeting:
Tweet, Tweet, Retweet: Conversational Aspects of Retweeting on Twitter danah boyd, Scott Golder, Gilad Lotan HICSS 2010 http://www.danah.org/papers/TweetTweetRetweet.pdf
Enjoy!
danah
On Nov 11, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
RE: Why Retweet works the way it does
http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html <BY: Evan Williams (born March 31, 1972) is an American entrepreneur who has founded several Internet companies, including Pyra Labs (creator of weblog-authoring software Blogger) and Twitter, of which he is currently CEO.>
I think it's interesting that Ev <creator of Twitter> misses the most valued function of the retweet <to this user>, which is the linkage between the retweeter and the original author of the RT tweet - the creator of Twitter's new modification of retweet removes the citation factor - The current Twitter syntax of say, Richard Smith retweeting something about surveillance and blogging makes me follow a link about say, blogging, precisely because Richard Smith is citing it. For the URL simply to appear in my InBox from ZX would be meaningless. This is a good example of where a tool designer fails to talk to users about what is good about the actual design and what would then, be lost in the supposed "improvement".
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Hi all, While we are on the topic of Twitter, here is the online version of an article dated 26 October in the International Herald Tribune if you have not seen it yet. I shared this with my classes when we were discussing how digitalization and media convergence are changing the way consumers are interacting with cultural/technological products and how successful companies may very well be those who are able to tap on and leverage on users' innovative consumption patterns. The articles highlights two new Twitter features - Lists and Retweet. [1]http://www.mydigitalfc.com/news/twitter-leaves-design-experts-users- 001 Regards, Carol Soon Doctoral Candidate Communications and New Media Programme Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences National University of Singapore __________________________________________________________________ From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org on behalf of Mary K. Bryson Sent: Thu 11/12/2009 12:41 PM To: live; air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-L] Twitter Re-Design The blog that I was quoting from concerning the redesign, was published yesterday, and is written by Evan Williams, CEO of Twitter, announcing that: This week on Twitter, we're rolling a feature we've been working on for a while out to a lot more users. (If you don't have it yet, you will soon.) That feature is our native version of Retweet, which Biz posted <[2]http://blog.twitter.com/2009/08/project-retweet-phase-one.html> about on the Twitter blog a couple months ago. [3]http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html Seems like a done deal. Cheers, Mary -- Dr. Mary K. Bryson, Professor and Director, Network of Centers and Institutes in Education (NCIE) & Center for Cross-Faculty Inquiry (CCFI), Faculty of Education, University of British Columbia Archive: [4]http://ubc.academia.edu/MaryKBryson CCFI: Innovation Works Here [5]http://ccfi.educ.ubc.ca/
From: live <human.factor.one@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:34:34 -0800 To: Mary Bryson <mary.bryson@ubc.ca> Cc: danah boyd <aoir.z3z@danah.org>, <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Twitter Re-Design
By the by - Rael said that they've pulled back the deployment of this feature redesign. Apparently there were some technical difficulties. So retweet design is on hold for the time being. Hopefully while they figure out the backend issues, they can also rethink the design strategy.
Sharon Greenfield Digital Ethnographer @SharonG
On Nov 11, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
Thanks for sending this fabulous paper, danah -
Danah + colleagues' paper provides lots of really good examples that underscore the socio-cultural complexities of retweeting - and to the point here, specifically what will be lost in Twitter's own redesign of the RT syntax. Twitters redesigned syntax -- Described here -- [6]http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html
--drops the identity of the sender of the RT as a communicative agent out of the RT message. This break in the social economy of Twitter's crowd sourcing network eliminates the additional information provided by the linkage between the author-A- of the tweet that gets retweeted by Sender-B - and that information, in the case of my own use of Twitter, is specifically and importantly part of the reputational economy that tells me fairly reliably - Sender B provides very reliable information about blogs and consumer health info - for example - therefore, I will likely want to take 5 seconds and click on this URL. If I don't know author-A - and this is how the retweet will show up in Twitter's new design -- as a message from someone I don't actually follow - the likelihood that I will look at the URL is close to zero. Much <intelligence> is lost in this redesign.
Mary
From: danah boyd <aoir.z3z@danah.org> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:15:44 -0500 To: Mary Bryson <mary.bryson@ubc.ca> Cc: <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Twitter Re-Design
I share your disappointment. Scott Golder, Gilad Lotan, and I investigated retweeting practices in the spring and summer and found a whole plethora of different practices that are not supported by this implementation. We wrote this up in a HICSS paper that will be published and presented in January, but we've made a draft version available for those who want to know more about retweeting:
Tweet, Tweet, Retweet: Conversational Aspects of Retweeting on Twitter danah boyd, Scott Golder, Gilad Lotan HICSS 2010 [7]http://www.danah.org/papers/TweetTweetRetweet.pdf
Enjoy!
danah
On Nov 11, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
RE: Why Retweet works the way it does
[8]http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html <BY: Evan Williams (born March 31, 1972) is an American entrepreneur who has founded several Internet companies, including Pyra Labs (creator of weblog-authoring software Blogger) and Twitter, of which he is currently CEO.>
I think it's interesting that Ev <creator of Twitter> misses the most valued function of the retweet <to this user>, which is the linkage between the retweeter and the original author of the RT tweet - the creator of Twitter's new modification of retweet removes the citation factor - The current Twitter syntax of say, Richard Smith retweeting something about surveillance and blogging makes me follow a link about say, blogging, precisely because Richard Smith is citing it. For the URL simply to appear in my InBox from ZX would be meaningless. This is a good example of where a tool designer fails to talk to users about what is good about the actual design and what would then, be lost in the supposed "improvement".
Mary -- Dr. Mary K. Bryson, Professor and Director, Network of Centers and Institutes in Education (NCIE) & Center for Cross-Faculty Inquiry (CCFI), Faculty of Education, University of British Columbia Archive: [9]http://ubc.academia.edu/MaryKBryson
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Yeah....things didn't go as well at they wanted on release. The UX engineer lives in my town, and well, word spreads over late night poutine carts. Also from CNET: "Twitter issues mulligan on new 'retweet' feature" http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-10395812-36.html -Sharon @SharonG On Nov 11, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
The blog that I was quoting from concerning the redesign, was published yesterday, and is written by Evan Williams, CEO of Twitter, announcing that: This week on Twitter, we're rolling a feature we've been working on for a while out to a lot more users. (If you don't have it yet, you will soon.) That feature is our native version of Retweet, which Biz posted <http://blog.twitter.com/2009/08/project-retweet-phase-one.html> about on the Twitter blog a couple months ago.
http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html
Seems like a done deal.
Cheers,
Mary -- Dr. Mary K. Bryson, Professor and Director, Network of Centers and Institutes in Education (NCIE) & Center for Cross-Faculty Inquiry (CCFI), Faculty of Education, University of British Columbia Archive: http://ubc.academia.edu/MaryKBryson
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From: live <human.factor.one@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:34:34 -0800 To: Mary Bryson <mary.bryson@ubc.ca> Cc: danah boyd <aoir.z3z@danah.org>, <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Twitter Re-Design
By the by - Rael said that they've pulled back the deployment of this feature redesign. Apparently there were some technical difficulties. So retweet design is on hold for the time being. Hopefully while they figure out the backend issues, they can also rethink the design strategy.
Sharon Greenfield Digital Ethnographer @SharonG
On Nov 11, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
Thanks for sending this fabulous paper, danah -
Danah + colleagues' paper provides lots of really good examples that underscore the socio-cultural complexities of retweeting - and to the point here, specifically what will be lost in Twitter's own redesign of the RT syntax. Twitters redesigned syntax -- Described here -- http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html
Why would Twitter redesign the interface to force users toward an inbuilt, attribution free, ³integrated retweeting²? A list member who emailed me offlist suggested that conversations with other programmers indicated that Twitter wants to streamline the syntax of (re)tweets so as to permit easier quantification, and therein, comparative stats on ³most popular² tweets, lists and so on... The CNET story seems to lead in that direction: ³But there are advantages, too: with built-in retweets, it gets much easier to track exactly how popular or influential a given message or user is.² Maybe machine-enabled collective intelligence is just not really brandable in a neoliberal economistic -scape? TG for those late-night poutine carts though! Mary -- Dr. Mary K. Bryson, Professor and Director, Network of Centers and Institutes in Education (NCIE) & Center for Cross-Faculty Inquiry (CCFI), Faculty of Education, University of British Columbia Archive: http://ubc.academia.edu/MaryKBryson CCFI: Innovation Works Here http://ccfi.educ.ubc.ca/
From: live <human.factor.one@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:06:27 -0800 To: List Aoir <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Twitter Re-Design
Yeah....things didn't go as well at they wanted on release. The UX engineer lives in my town, and well, word spreads over late night poutine carts.
Also from CNET: "Twitter issues mulligan on new 'retweet' feature" http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-10395812-36.html
-Sharon
@SharonG
On Nov 11, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
The blog that I was quoting from concerning the redesign, was published yesterday, and is written by Evan Williams, CEO of Twitter, announcing that: This week on Twitter, we're rolling a feature we've been working on for a while out to a lot more users. (If you don't have it yet, you will soon.) That feature is our native version of Retweet, which Biz posted <http://blog.twitter.com/2009/08/project-retweet-phase-one.html> about on the Twitter blog a couple months ago.
http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html
Seems like a done deal.
Cheers,
Mary -- Dr. Mary K. Bryson, Professor and Director, Network of Centers and Institutes in Education (NCIE) & Center for Cross-Faculty Inquiry (CCFI), Faculty of Education, University of British Columbia Archive: http://ubc.academia.edu/MaryKBryson
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From: live <human.factor.one@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:34:34 -0800 To: Mary Bryson <mary.bryson@ubc.ca> Cc: danah boyd <aoir.z3z@danah.org>, <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Twitter Re-Design
By the by - Rael said that they've pulled back the deployment of this feature redesign. Apparently there were some technical difficulties. So retweet design is on hold for the time being. Hopefully while they figure out the backend issues, they can also rethink the design strategy.
Sharon Greenfield Digital Ethnographer @SharonG
On Nov 11, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
Thanks for sending this fabulous paper, danah -
Danah + colleagues' paper provides lots of really good examples that underscore the socio-cultural complexities of retweeting - and to the point here, specifically what will be lost in Twitter's own redesign of the RT syntax. Twitters redesigned syntax -- Described here -- http://evhead.com/2009/11/why-retweet-works-way-it-does.html
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Some programmers I've exchanged messages with after Lists were rolled out believe that Twitter is partially driven (or pushed) to establish measurable features and it sounds like keeping count of ones ReTweets is another way companies & individuals can measure themselves against others. I don't think social influence can simply be equated with the number of times ones message is RT'd but that seems to be a commonly held opinion. I don't know if most individuals are competitive enough to want to keep score in an arena like a social network but many of the business people I know on Twitter are keen aware of their "ranking". Liz Pullen nwjerseyliz@yahoo.com
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