Elijah wrote,
I'm not certain that you can claim that they're technologically inferior to Western technology, as they *are* Western technology. ;) I do think I know what you meant, in the other sense of those words, too, and still don't find the argument compelling.
If we can build a perfectly usable 500Mhz laptop for a hundred bucks that runs the *state of the art* in available software - that is to say, the very same software (or its close kin, modified for the hardware of the laptop) that is on my desktop here in Indiana - what's the use of having a $3k "Western" desktop machine?
I agree. What was interesting was the original post implied that somehow these laptops are inferior because they lack a hard drive. While the capacity of the drives is somewhat limited, flash drives are the next generation storage solution. Pretty cutting edge. At least Samsung thinks so http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1966644,00.asp?kc=ETRSS02129TX1K0... We might also revise our notion of what "state of the art" software means. The developers for the $100 laptop are working to create a very user-friendly software environment specifically tailored for the classroom. When I read Tom Hoffman and Chris Blizzard's discussion of the chat application and the way in which the software will allow students to create and share content, I see a machine that may be much superior for getting students discussing and collaborating than what comes stock from Dell or any of the other computer vendors (for many thousand more): http://www.eschoolnews.com/eti/2006/05/001414.php http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=200 Charlie Lowe
Dear list members, I am looking for references related to the question of how internet influences on the formation of subcultures in western societies, or how internet is the medium for such formations. I am interested in parallel cultures, especially in Muslim parallel cultures in Denmark or in other western countries growing via the internet, but other examples on how subcultures develops and maintain them selves on the internet also have my strong interest. If you have references for me or other input, on or off list I'll be grateful Best Regards Jesper -- Jesper Tække: http://home16.inet.tele.dk/jesper_t/ Dansk Luhmann Forum: http://home16.inet.tele.dk/jesper_t/luhmann.htm Forum for Internetforskning: http://home16.inet.tele.dk/jesper_t/cfi.htm Sociocybernetics: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sociocybernetics/
Hi My immediate thoughts - so probably nothing new for you here: - although the 'subcultures' section in the Cybercultutures Reader (Bell and Kennedy 2000) is probably too obvious to mention, many of the writers in this have written around this area more extensively (e.g. Terranova, Sardar, Wakeford, Tsang etc), much of the early cybercultures and technoculture stuff could be framed in terms of 'subculture' in some ways. 'The Subcultures Reader' (Gelder and Thornton) and 'Clubcultures' (Redmond) has likewise contributors who have written more widely on this - and for more up to date work there is the 'Post-Subcultures Reader' also (Muggleton and Weinzierl), more recent 'cyberactivism' literature also has intersections with this area. Hope these might be of some use - also re 'paralell cultures' the older Birmingham (and Chicago) cultural studies work is still relevant. All the best Kate
Hi Jesper, Heidelberg Online is an electronic journal which looks at online religion and the formation of online religious communities. There is one article there by Göran Larsson focussing on a Muslim email group in Sweden which is very interesting. http://online.uni-hd.de/ paul teusner -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of jespert Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 18:37 To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] subcultures and the internet Dear list members, I am looking for references related to the question of how internet influences on the formation of subcultures in western societies, or how internet is the medium for such formations. I am interested in parallel cultures, especially in Muslim parallel cultures in Denmark or in other western countries growing via the internet, but other examples on how subcultures develops and maintain them selves on the internet also have my strong interest. If you have references for me or other input, on or off list I'll be grateful Best Regards Jesper -- Jesper Tække: http://home16.inet.tele.dk/jesper_t/ Dansk Luhmann Forum: http://home16.inet.tele.dk/jesper_t/luhmann.htm Forum for Internetforskning: http://home16.inet.tele.dk/jesper_t/cfi.htm Sociocybernetics: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sociocybernetics/ _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
reply below but I think I misunderstand what you are asking for. I am more commenting on Western subcultures around the world. But my knowledge of Muslim culture is restricted to recently finding out about how quotes of Mohamed are attributed by a type of voting system I really know nothing about various non western subcultures. On 8-Jun-06, at 4:37 AM, jespert wrote:
Dear list members,
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. I am interested in parallel cultures, especially in Muslim parallel cultures in Denmark or in other western countries growing via the internet, but other examples on how subcultures develops and maintain them selves on the internet also have my strong interest.
If you have references for me or other input, on or off list I'll be grateful
Best Regards Jesper
I had been pointed to a punk blog from Iran before but can't find it right now This seems to be a German media report about Punks in Indonesia. Sorry lacking anything about the net. http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-310/_nr-203/i.html Punk must mean quite different things in your own culture than mine. I have read some of the references posted today to this email request. I would recommend them too. I am interested in the fact of punk rock coming along at the same time parallel to the net time vis via cyber punk fiction. You might check out feminism and music studies as I also think this sub field of music also came along about the 1990's at least in punk history but therefore net history. Peter Peter Timusk, B.Math statistics, B.A. legal studies M.A. legal studies applicant just trying to stay linear. Read by hundreds of lurkers every week.
reply below but I think I misunderstand what you are asking for. I am more commenting on Western subcultures around the world. But my knowledge of Muslim culture is restricted to recently finding out about how quotes of Mohamed are attributed by a type of voting system I really know nothing about various non western subcultures.
almost totally offtopic, but the "jesus seminar" folks also vote as to their confidence that various biblical writings were or were not likely to be accurate/legitimate recordings of events. http://www.westarinstitute.org/Jesus_Seminar/jesus_seminar.html fascinating process. ObAirTopicPost: maybe wikipedia should adopt a beads-into-box voting system :) --e
Jespert, You might be interested in Albert Benschop's essay about the cyberjihad in the Netherlands: "Chronicle of a Political Murder Foretold — Jihad in the Netherlands —", which analyses the cultural and religious context behind the murder of Theo Van Gogh: http://www.sociosite.org/jihad_nl_en.php Best Regards, Miguel Caetano 2006/6/8, jespert <jespert@itu.dk>:
Dear list members,
I am looking for references related to the question of how internet influences on the formation of subcultures in western societies, or how internet is the medium for such formations. I am interested in parallel cultures, especially in Muslim parallel cultures in Denmark or in other western countries growing via the internet, but other examples on how subcultures develops and maintain them selves on the internet also have my strong interest.
If you have references for me or other input, on or off list I'll be grateful
Best Regards Jesper
-- Jesper Tække: http://home16.inet.tele.dk/jesper_t/ Dansk Luhmann Forum: http://home16.inet.tele.dk/jesper_t/luhmann.htm Forum for Internetforskning: http://home16.inet.tele.dk/jesper_t/cfi.htm Sociocybernetics: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sociocybernetics/
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