Re: [Air-l] Online graffiti
Hi Sigal sounds interesting. Like Cameron, I'd ask about what definition you have for "online graffitti" - online archives of physical real-world graffitti one of my favourites is Banksy's own site: http://www.banksy.co.uk/ - online spaces which are set up for free expression (wow, this is so broad it could mean *anything*! perhaps, an online environment with a graphic tool set? anybody fancy trying to define this category?) - defacement of existing online content? years ago attrition kept an archive of hacked websites http://www.attrition.org/mirror/attrition/ I am not sure who might be keeping current lists? good luck, let us know how you get on! Mark The Open University http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/mark -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org on behalf of M. Cameron Jones Sent: Wed 4/19/2006 11:44 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Online graffiti Hi Sigal - On 4/19/06, Sigal <sigalz@shaw.ca> wrote:
This is my first post here, and I would like to have any idea about "online graffiti" as a communication method.
Are you asking about where you can find/see/study online graffiti? Or about existing research about it? Some examples of the former http://www.drawball.com/ http://worm.bluesfear.com/index2.html As for the latter -- I remember a CHI poster or paper a few years ago about it... found it. Carter, S., Churchill, E., Denoue, L., Helfman, J., Nelson, J. (2004). Digital graffiti: public annotation of multimedia content. CHI '04 extended abstracts on Human factors in computing systems. Vienna, Austria. pp 1207 - 1210. - Cameron Jones _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, M.B.Gaved wrote:
sounds interesting. Like Cameron, I'd ask about what definition you have for "online graffitti"
<snip>
- defacement of existing online content?
By this definition, Wikipedia has a rich history of textual "graffiti." :-) Actually, I don't know much about graffiti, but it seems that there are many kinds present in Wikipedia, from the "kilroy was here" variety, to malicious defacing, to elaborate and sometimes pretty or interesting little stories and passages that simply don't belong. Andrea
:). I defined Wikipedia as a "temple built out of grafitti" for a reporter doing a story on accuracy and wikipedia (see http://theory.isthereason.com/?p=810). - Alex On 4/20/06, Andrea Forte <aforte@cc.gatech.edu> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, M.B.Gaved wrote:
sounds interesting. Like Cameron, I'd ask about what definition you have for "online graffitti"
<snip>
- defacement of existing online content?
By this definition, Wikipedia has a rich history of textual "graffiti." :-) Actually, I don't know much about graffiti, but it seems that there are many kinds present in Wikipedia, from the "kilroy was here" variety, to malicious defacing, to elaborate and sometimes pretty or interesting little stories and passages that simply don't belong.
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I believe that the most acurate real manifestation of this "online grafitti"the the website defacement. Otherwise, any communal webpage infrastructure will fit the graffiti Idea. But, the point it that off-line grafitti is, fundamentaly a kind of ILEGAL social deviance, the owner of the walls don't want the graffiti ink in it. I don't think that wikipedia has somethin iligal to itself in its context, I don't think that wikipedia walls don't want to be furfil of content. MAYBE, when someone post deliberately, false contet on wikipedia, this could be seen as a king of grafitti, but I'm affreid that this would be a very dificul scietific object to investigate. Best Regards Ariel On 4/20/06, Alex Halavais <halavais@gmail.com> wrote:
:). I defined Wikipedia as a "temple built out of grafitti" for a reporter doing a story on accuracy and wikipedia (see http://theory.isthereason.com/?p=810).
- Alex
On 4/20/06, Andrea Forte <aforte@cc.gatech.edu> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, M.B.Gaved wrote:
sounds interesting. Like Cameron, I'd ask about what definition you
have for "online graffitti"
<snip>
- defacement of existing online content?
By this definition, Wikipedia has a rich history of textual "graffiti." :-) Actually, I don't know much about graffiti, but it seems that there are many kinds present in Wikipedia, from the "kilroy was here" variety, to malicious defacing, to elaborate and sometimes pretty or interesting little stories and passages that simply don't belong.
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Ariel Foina wrote:
I believe that the most acurate real manifestation of this "online grafitti"the the website defacement. Otherwise, any communal webpage infrastructure will fit the graffiti Idea...
I'm currently studying facebook.com as a student phenomenon. One of the features is that each participant has a "wall" as part of their profile page on which his/her "friends" can write things. The wall metaphor certainly suggests graffiti. -- Mark D. Johns, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Communication Studies Luther College, Decorah, Iowa http://academic.luther.edu/~johnsmar/ ----------------------------------------------- "Get the facts first. You can distort them later." ---Mark Twain
Sigal, Another angle to online graffiti might be the "wifitti" phenomenon. Not strickly web-based, but basically, it allows cell users to text to a particular number which then displays the texts on a screen in a public place. Here's a nice overview: http://future.iftf.org/2006/03/digital_graffit.html --Amanda Amanda Lenhart Pew Internet & American Life Project alenhart@pewinternet.org -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org on behalf of Mark D. Johns Sent: Thu 4/20/2006 10:58 AM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Online graffiti Ariel Foina wrote:
I believe that the most acurate real manifestation of this "online grafitti"the the website defacement. Otherwise, any communal webpage infrastructure will fit the graffiti Idea...
I'm currently studying facebook.com as a student phenomenon. One of the features is that each participant has a "wall" as part of their profile page on which his/her "friends" can write things. The wall metaphor certainly suggests graffiti. -- Mark D. Johns, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Communication Studies Luther College, Decorah, Iowa http://academic.luther.edu/~johnsmar/ ----------------------------------------------- "Get the facts first. You can distort them later." ---Mark Twain _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
On 4/20/06, Amanda Lenhart <alenhart@pewinternet.org> wrote:
Sigal,
Another angle to online graffiti might be the "wifitti" phenomenon. Not strickly web-based, but basically, it allows cell users to text to a particular number which then displays the texts on a screen in a public place.
Here's a nice overview: http://future.iftf.org/2006/03/digital_graffit.html
Related to the wifitti idea is the YellowArrow project (http://yellowarrow.net/index2.php) which has people putting real stickers in the physical world which have text message codes on them that you can use to fetch, put and send messages. - Cameron
Hello you all, Thank you all for your great insights and ideas. I wrote my MA thesis claiming that there is a "digital Graffiti" and now I am working on my PhD in regarding to that and also trying to relate the communicative actions in the "Classical" Graffiti vs "Digital graffiti". I will be happy to hear anything you have in mind. Thank again, Sigal -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of M. Cameron Jones Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:07 AM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Online graffiti On 4/20/06, Amanda Lenhart <alenhart@pewinternet.org> wrote:
Sigal,
Another angle to online graffiti might be the "wifitti" phenomenon. Not strickly web-based, but basically, it allows cell users to text to a particular number which then displays the texts on a screen in a public place.
Here's a nice overview: http://future.iftf.org/2006/03/digital_graffit.html
Related to the wifitti idea is the YellowArrow project (http://yellowarrow.net/index2.php) which has people putting real stickers in the physical world which have text message codes on them that you can use to fetch, put and send messages. - Cameron _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
I would like to take a look at your MA thesis, is it on-line? I'm studing Web Defacing. Best Regards Ariel On 4/20/06, Sigal <sigalz@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hello you all,
Thank you all for your great insights and ideas.
I wrote my MA thesis claiming that there is a "digital Graffiti" and now I am working on my PhD in regarding to that and also trying to relate the communicative actions in the "Classical" Graffiti vs "Digital graffiti". I will be happy to hear anything you have in mind.
Thank again, Sigal
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of M. Cameron Jones Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:07 AM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Online graffiti
On 4/20/06, Amanda Lenhart <alenhart@pewinternet.org> wrote:
Sigal,
Another angle to online graffiti might be the "wifitti" phenomenon. Not strickly web-based, but basically, it allows cell users to text to a particular number which then displays the texts on a screen in a public place.
Here's a nice overview: http://future.iftf.org/2006/03/digital_graffit.html
Related to the wifitti idea is the YellowArrow project (http://yellowarrow.net/index2.php) which has people putting real stickers in the physical world which have text message codes on them that you can use to fetch, put and send messages.
- Cameron _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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The "graffiti" on Wikipedia is definitely defacement. There are rules that govern activity on Wikipedia, often vandals act in violation of them. Contributions to the encyclopedia are not graffiti--that's just painting a wall. ;-) I don't think it would be terribly difficult to study the kinds of defacement that happen on Wikipedia. I also think it would be interesting to know more about why and when people vandalize as the site is charged with a lot of political and social meaning for different people. Andrea On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, Ariel Foina wrote:
I believe that the most acurate real manifestation of this "online grafitti"the the website defacement. Otherwise, any communal webpage infrastructure will fit the graffiti Idea. But, the point it that off-line grafitti is, fundamentaly a kind of ILEGAL social deviance, the owner of the walls don't want the graffiti ink in it. I don't think that wikipedia has somethin iligal to itself in its context, I don't think that wikipedia walls don't want to be furfil of content. MAYBE, when someone post deliberately, false contet on wikipedia, this could be seen as a king of grafitti, but I'm affreid that this would be a very dificul scietific object to investigate.
Best Regards
Ariel
On 4/20/06, Alex Halavais <halavais@gmail.com> wrote:
:). I defined Wikipedia as a "temple built out of grafitti" for a reporter doing a story on accuracy and wikipedia (see http://theory.isthereason.com/?p=810).
- Alex
On 4/20/06, Andrea Forte <aforte@cc.gatech.edu> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, M.B.Gaved wrote:
sounds interesting. Like Cameron, I'd ask about what definition you
have for "online graffitti"
<snip>
- defacement of existing online content?
By this definition, Wikipedia has a rich history of textual "graffiti." :-) Actually, I don't know much about graffiti, but it seems that there are many kinds present in Wikipedia, from the "kilroy was here" variety, to malicious defacing, to elaborate and sometimes pretty or interesting little stories and passages that simply don't belong.
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I think the case for the abuse of wikipedia working like graffiti only works if the metaphor is refined a bit - it's more like someone coming along to a community street mural and deliberately painting something out of step with the aesthetic and political values that have been implicitly or explicitly agreed on by the 'community' that is working on the mural. A bit different from walking up to the blank rendered wall of, say, a McDonald's and writing "ronald sucks" on it. In one case (the mural), the wall is constructed as open and 'writable' and in the second case (mcdonald's) it isn't, because of very clear binary distinctions between who owns the wall and therefore gets to paint it, and who doesn't. All of which makes wikipedia a far more interesting case, IMHO. cheers Jean Jean Burgess http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/~burgess Reviews editor, International Journal of Cultural Studies http://www.sagepub.com/journal.aspx?pid=196 ISSN: 1367-8779 Creative Industries Research Centre Queensland University of Technology Victoria Park Road, Kelvin Grove, QLD 4059 Australia Phone: +61 7 3864 5603 Mobile: +61 401 733 755 On 22/04/2006, at 10:41 PM, Andrea Forte wrote:
The "graffiti" on Wikipedia is definitely defacement. There are rules that govern activity on Wikipedia, often vandals act in violation of them. Contributions to the encyclopedia are not graffiti--that's just painting a wall. ;-) I don't think it would be terribly difficult to study the kinds of defacement that happen on Wikipedia. I also think it would be interesting to know more about why and when people vandalize as the site is charged with a lot of political and social meaning for different people.
Andrea
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, Ariel Foina wrote:
I believe that the most acurate real manifestation of this "online grafitti"the the website defacement. Otherwise, any communal webpage infrastructure will fit the graffiti Idea. But, the point it that off-line grafitti is, fundamentaly a kind of ILEGAL social deviance, the owner of the walls don't want the graffiti ink in it. I don't think that wikipedia has somethin iligal to itself in its context, I don't think that wikipedia walls don't want to be furfil of content. MAYBE, when someone post deliberately, false contet on wikipedia, this could be seen as a king of grafitti, but I'm affreid that this would be a very dificul scietific object to investigate.
Best Regards
Ariel
On 4/20/06, Alex Halavais <halavais@gmail.com> wrote:
:). I defined Wikipedia as a "temple built out of grafitti" for a reporter doing a story on accuracy and wikipedia (see http://theory.isthereason.com/?p=810).
- Alex
On 4/20/06, Andrea Forte <aforte@cc.gatech.edu> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, M.B.Gaved wrote:
sounds interesting. Like Cameron, I'd ask about what definition you
have for "online graffitti"
<snip>
- defacement of existing online content?
By this definition, Wikipedia has a rich history of textual "graffiti." :-) Actually, I don't know much about graffiti, but it seems that there are many kinds present in Wikipedia, from the "kilroy was here" variety, to malicious defacing, to elaborate and sometimes pretty or interesting little stories and passages that simply don't belong.
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Andrea Forte wrote:
The "graffiti" on Wikipedia is definitely defacement. There are rules that govern activity on Wikipedia, often vandals act in violation of them. Contributions to the encyclopedia are not graffiti--that's just painting a wall. ;-) I don't think it would be terribly difficult to study the kinds of defacement that happen on Wikipedia. I also think it would be interesting to know more about why and when people vandalize as the site is charged with a lot of political and social meaning for different people.
Speaking very loosely, I think we can identify several sorts of grafitti within Wikipedia, just as I suppose we can identify several sorts in the real world. First, the articles themselves and normal contributions can't really be classed as grafitti. Second, even highly POV ('point of view', 'biased') edits, made either innocently because someone can't recognize their own biases, or deliberately by someone who doesn't understand or accept our culture of neutrality, are also not really what I would think of as grafitti. Third, we normally do not think of "sand boxing" (newbie experimentation) as grafitti, either. The link says 'edit this page', many people don't believe it, and try it with "hi mom", and find themselves shocked that it actually went on the site. This is not like grafitti -- no one tests pens in bathroom stalls and finds themselves shocked that you can actually write there (or spray paint on a wall). Grafitti would include: 1. Simple vandalism, with malicious intent (fuck you!) 2. Simple vandalism, with political intent (fuck george bush!) 3. attempts at insider humor (poking fun at wikipedians, wikipedians poking fun at ourselves) 4. trolling And... Well, this is just speaking loosely.
Jimmy Wales wrote
Grafitti would include:
1. Simple vandalism, with malicious intent (fuck you!) 2. Simple vandalism, with political intent (fuck george bush!) 3. attempts at insider humor (poking fun at wikipedians, wikipedians poking fun at ourselves) 4. trolling
And...
Hi, I am new to this list......I joined to learn more about methods for researching the internet and the topics researched at present. Today is my first day of subscription and I have already learnt quite a bit. I am interested in graffiti on the internet and did not know what trolling was. Having just read the very interesting Wikipedia definition, I agree with Jimmy that this should be included. Does anyone else have some insight into graffiti on the internet...articles, places to look, etc? David
Welcome, David. And this provides a great opportunity to remind folks that five years worth of AIR-L archives are available here: http://listserv.aoir.org/pipermail/air-l-aoir.org/ ripe for analysis (hint!), and can can be viewed in threaded form. That may be helpful especially for new members of the list. - Alex On 5/16/06, David Low <low@aanet.com.au> wrote:
Jimmy Wales wrote
Does anyone else have some insight into graffiti on the internet...articles, places to look, etc? David
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