Re: [Air-l] suggestions?
i copied and pasted your dialogue into my blog, is that ok? I have an idea it might be usable in teaching in a few weeks... http://www.stephaniejokent.com/blog/archives/001764.html On Oct 22, 2005, at 3:02 PM, air-l-request@listserv.aoir.org wrote:
Message: 2 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:51:49 -0400 From: Radhika Gajjala <radhika@cyberdiva.org> Subject: Re: [Air-l] suggestions? To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Message-ID: <a0611047dbf800e8269a8@[192.168.1.100]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
Charles - I'm sorry it took so long for me to reply to this one.
To demonstrate that my background is in philosophy, not communication studies (for better and for worse)..
the issue you raise is not necessarily limited the discipline of "communication studies"
.
My my applied ethics class, we're reading an essay by Robinson A. Grover, "the New State of Nature and the New Terrorism," which argues that new media and globalization have brought about a new version of Hobbes' war of each against all, etc.
hmmm
I attempted to buttress some of Grover's claims with the work of Cass Sunstein, his notion of "The Daily Me," etc.
This inspired one of my students to ask: are there studies, etc., that suggest that the new media, by giving us greater communication with "the Other" works to make us _less_ fearful of the Other, and thus, under some circumstances at least, _more_ likely to engage in aggressive behaviors, including warfare?
my first response to this was - is this for real? Hasnt this person seen Television and Film portrayal of some "Others" all his/her life and seen how that can as effectively work towards building up fear and paranoia?
My general response is - depends on who's producing this "Other" and what context this "Other" is being permitted to speak/represent hirself - and what code of (contextual) behaviour and hierarchies this representation of the Other is placed.
In other words - yes - in a state of ignorance what your students suggests is likely to be true - but the media dont necessary help us not be ignorant ...
As for citations - I know postcolonial media theorists, critical race theorists and critical media theorists etc have written about this sort of thing.
That is, his thought is that in a state of ignorance of the Other, one is more likely to assume the worst - the Other is bigger, more powerful, etc., so I'd better stay home. But once I see the Other on TV, the Internet, etc., I discover that this is not so...
I thought it a worthwhile question - citations and suggestions?
thanks in advance,
Charles Ess
Distinguished Research Professor, Interdisciplinary Studies Drury University 900 N. Benton Ave. Voice: 417-873-7230 Springfield, MO 65802 USA FAX: 417-873-7435 Home page: http://www.drury.edu/ess/ess.html
Co-chair, CATaC'06: http://www.catacconference.org Co-chair, ECAP'06: http://www.eu-cap.org
Professor II, Globalization and Applied Ethics Programmes Norwegian University of Science and Technology NO-7491 Trondheim, Norway http://www.anvendtetikk.ntnu.no/pres/bridgingcultures.php
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Steph - you know that's fine with me - I was going to ask Charles myself - but you beat me to it - I'll link now:) r
i copied and pasted your dialogue into my blog, is that ok? I have an idea it might be usable in teaching in a few weeks... http://www.stephaniejokent.com/blog/archives/001764.html
On Oct 22, 2005, at 3:02 PM, air-l-request@listserv.aoir.org wrote:
Message: 2 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:51:49 -0400 From: Radhika Gajjala <radhika@cyberdiva.org> Subject: Re: [Air-l] suggestions? To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Message-ID: <a0611047dbf800e8269a8@[192.168.1.100]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
Charles - I'm sorry it took so long for me to reply to this one.
To demonstrate that my background is in philosophy, not communication studies (for better and for worse)..
the issue you raise is not necessarily limited the discipline of "communication studies"
.
My my applied ethics class, we're reading an essay by Robinson A. Grover, "the New State of Nature and the New Terrorism," which argues that new media and globalization have brought about a new version of Hobbes' war of each against all, etc.
hmmm
I attempted to buttress some of Grover's claims with the work of Cass Sunstein, his notion of "The Daily Me," etc.
This inspired one of my students to ask: are there studies, etc., that suggest that the new media, by giving us greater communication with "the Other" works to make us _less_ fearful of the Other, and thus, under some circumstances at least, _more_ likely to engage in aggressive behaviors, including warfare?
my first response to this was - is this for real? Hasnt this person seen Television and Film portrayal of some "Others" all his/her life and seen how that can as effectively work towards building up fear and paranoia?
My general response is - depends on who's producing this "Other" and what context this "Other" is being permitted to speak/represent hirself - and what code of (contextual) behaviour and hierarchies this representation of the Other is placed.
In other words - yes - in a state of ignorance what your students suggests is likely to be true - but the media dont necessary help us not be ignorant ...
As for citations - I know postcolonial media theorists, critical race theorists and critical media theorists etc have written about this sort of thing.
That is, his thought is that in a state of ignorance of the Other, one is more likely to assume the worst - the Other is bigger, more powerful, etc., so I'd better stay home. But once I see the Other on TV, the Internet, etc., I discover that this is not so...
I thought it a worthwhile question - citations and suggestions?
thanks in advance,
Charles Ess
Distinguished Research Professor, Interdisciplinary Studies Drury University 900 N. Benton Ave. Voice: 417-873-7230 Springfield, MO 65802 USA FAX: 417-873-7435 Home page: http://www.drury.edu/ess/ess.html
Co-chair, CATaC'06: http://www.catacconference.org Co-chair, ECAP'06: http://www.eu-cap.org
Professor II, Globalization and Applied Ethics Programmes Norwegian University of Science and Technology NO-7491 Trondheim, Norway http://www.anvendtetikk.ntnu.no/pres/bridgingcultures.php
Exemplary persons seek harmony, not sameness. -- Analects 13.23
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i copied and pasted your dialogue into my blog, is that ok? I have an idea it might be usable in teaching in a few weeks... http://www.stephaniejokent.com/blog/archives/001764.html
Fine by me - but it's Radhika who's made the substantive points, so I'd wait and see what she thinks about it. it would also be really interesting to hear back about what happens in your class? cordially, Charles Ess Distinguished Research Professor, Interdisciplinary Studies Drury University 900 N. Benton Ave. Voice: 417-873-7230 Springfield, MO 65802 USA FAX: 417-873-7435 Home page: http://www.drury.edu/ess/ess.html Co-chair, CATaC'06: http://www.catacconference.org Co-chair, ECAP'06: http://www.eu-cap.org Professor II, Globalization and Applied Ethics Programmes Norwegian University of Science and Technology NO-7491 Trondheim, Norway http://www.anvendtetikk.ntnu.no/pres/bridgingcultures.php Exemplary persons seek harmony, not sameness. -- Analects 13.23
i copied and pasted your dialogue into my blog, is that ok? I have an idea it might be usable in teaching in a few weeks... http://www.stephaniejokent.com/blog/archives/001764.html
Fine by me - but it's Radhika who's made the substantive points, so I'd wait and see what she thinks about it.
this is already archived - so if I am embarassed by anything I say - well I should have been embarassed all these 10 or 12 years! Steph's blog actually frames it more contextually than the list archives would .
it would also be really interesting to hear back about what happens in your class?
me too.
cordially,
Charles Ess
Distinguished Research Professor, Interdisciplinary Studies Drury University 900 N. Benton Ave. Voice: 417-873-7230 Springfield, MO 65802 USA FAX: 417-873-7435 Home page: http://www.drury.edu/ess/ess.html
Co-chair, CATaC'06: http://www.catacconference.org Co-chair, ECAP'06: http://www.eu-cap.org
Professor II, Globalization and Applied Ethics Programmes Norwegian University of Science and Technology NO-7491 Trondheim, Norway http://www.anvendtetikk.ntnu.no/pres/bridgingcultures.php
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This week I am teaching Radhika Gajjala's wonderful Cyber Selves, and Lisa Nakamura's CyberTypes (who writes about "The work of race in an age of digital reproduction") in a course on new media and the possibilities for democratic public pedagogies. When I heard that Rosa Parks had died yesterday, I went online to look at the digital "rendering" of this life, and this death. On wikipedia, the entry for Rosa Parks contained what I first reacted to with disbelief as an extraordinary and somehow, incredible and incomprehensible racist paragraph under the entry - Death and Funeral. It was late. I looked at the page again today, and then the history of the page. It would appear that this particular version of the entry on October 24 has been permanently deleted from the public history of this page. This prompted me to look at more of the history of the revisions - just those made on October 25/05. Not so extraordinary at all, it turns out. I have compiled a short list of some of the contributions to this wikipedia entry for my class tomorrow. I don't know enough about Wikipedia to know how the revision made on October 24 could summarily be deleted from history. At any rate, with a sense of caution in putting this "out there" - I am sending what I have found, and I have just started to look... http://educ.ubc.ca/faculty/bryson/565/wikipediarp.html Mary
What do you mean by the version being "permanently deleted from the public history of this page"? These instances of vandalism are retrievable from the page history, as far as I can tell. Do you mean something else? For what it's worth, such instances of vandalism [1] are common on Wikipedia, especially with ongoing events. Some of the vandal activity on the Rosa Parks page has been reported here [2]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism_in_progress On Oct 25, 2005, at 8:50 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
This week I am teaching Radhika Gajjala's wonderful Cyber Selves, and Lisa Nakamura's CyberTypes (who writes about "The work of race in an age of digital reproduction") in a course on new media and the possibilities for democratic public pedagogies. When I heard that Rosa Parks had died yesterday, I went online to look at the digital "rendering" of this life, and this death. On wikipedia, the entry for Rosa Parks contained what I first reacted to with disbelief as an extraordinary and somehow, incredible and incomprehensible racist paragraph under the entry - Death and Funeral. It was late. I looked at the page again today, and then the history of the page. It would appear that this particular version of the entry on October 24 has been permanently deleted from the public history of this page. This prompted me to look at more of the history of the revisions - just those made on October 25/05. Not so extraordinary at all, it turns out. I have compiled a short list of some of the contributions to this wikipedia entry for my class tomorrow. I don't know enough about Wikipedia to know how the revision made on October 24 could summarily be deleted from history.
At any rate, with a sense of caution in putting this "out there" - I am sending what I have found, and I have just started to look...
http://educ.ubc.ca/faculty/bryson/565/wikipediarp.html
Mary
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This is the Wikipedia history for the Rosa Parks entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rosa_Parks&limit=500&action=histor y There is no entry for October 24/05. The record of the page I saw on October 24 appears to have been erased. I will track this down, eventually. Mary On 10/25/05 7:46 PM, "Michael Zimmer" <mtz206@nyu.edu> wrote:
What do you mean by the version being "permanently deleted from the public history of this page"? These instances of vandalism are retrievable from the page history, as far as I can tell. Do you mean something else?
For what it's worth, such instances of vandalism [1] are common on Wikipedia, especially with ongoing events. Some of the vandal activity on the Rosa Parks page has been reported here [2].
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism_in_progress
On Oct 25, 2005, at 8:50 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
This week I am teaching Radhika Gajjala's wonderful Cyber Selves, and Lisa Nakamura's CyberTypes (who writes about "The work of race in an age of digital reproduction") in a course on new media and the possibilities for democratic public pedagogies. When I heard that Rosa Parks had died yesterday, I went online to look at the digital "rendering" of this life, and this death. On wikipedia, the entry for Rosa Parks contained what I first reacted to with disbelief as an extraordinary and somehow, incredible and incomprehensible racist paragraph under the entry - Death and Funeral. It was late. I looked at the page again today, and then the history of the page. It would appear that this particular version of the entry on October 24 has been permanently deleted from the public history of this page. This prompted me to look at more of the history of the revisions - just those made on October 25/05. Not so extraordinary at all, it turns out. I have compiled a short list of some of the contributions to this wikipedia entry for my class tomorrow. I don't know enough about Wikipedia to know how the revision made on October 24 could summarily be deleted from history.
At any rate, with a sense of caution in putting this "out there" - I am sending what I have found, and I have just started to look...
http://educ.ubc.ca/faculty/bryson/565/wikipediarp.html
Mary
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Admins on wikipedia do have the ability to completely remove edits that are of objectionable nature. you can go on the talk page of that entry and post the question as to why that was taken out... Best Karim Mary K. Bryson wrote:
This is the Wikipedia history for the Rosa Parks entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rosa_Parks&limit=500&action=histor y
There is no entry for October 24/05. The record of the page I saw on October 24 appears to have been erased. I will track this down, eventually.
Mary
On 10/25/05 7:46 PM, "Michael Zimmer" <mtz206@nyu.edu> wrote:
What do you mean by the version being "permanently deleted from the public history of this page"? These instances of vandalism are retrievable from the page history, as far as I can tell. Do you mean something else?
For what it's worth, such instances of vandalism [1] are common on Wikipedia, especially with ongoing events. Some of the vandal activity on the Rosa Parks page has been reported here [2].
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism_in_progress
On Oct 25, 2005, at 8:50 PM, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
This week I am teaching Radhika Gajjala's wonderful Cyber Selves, and Lisa Nakamura's CyberTypes (who writes about "The work of race in an age of digital reproduction") in a course on new media and the possibilities for democratic public pedagogies. When I heard that Rosa Parks had died yesterday, I went online to look at the digital "rendering" of this life, and this death. On wikipedia, the entry for Rosa Parks contained what I first reacted to with disbelief as an extraordinary and somehow, incredible and incomprehensible racist paragraph under the entry - Death and Funeral. It was late. I looked at the page again today, and then the history of the page. It would appear that this particular version of the entry on October 24 has been permanently deleted from the public history of this page. This prompted me to look at more of the history of the revisions - just those made on October 25/05. Not so extraordinary at all, it turns out. I have compiled a short list of some of the contributions to this wikipedia entry for my class tomorrow. I don't know enough about Wikipedia to know how the revision made on October 24 could summarily be deleted from history.
At any rate, with a sense of caution in putting this "out there" - I am sending what I have found, and I have just started to look...
http://educ.ubc.ca/faculty/bryson/565/wikipediarp.html
Mary
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