Just saw an interesting article that made me smile and look quite old. SK Teens: E-Mail Is For Old People Excerpts: For some schools, the correct answer is: set up a MySpace page. After all, there's nothing hipper for students than being "friends" with your college registrar or school principal. The intriguing thing about this method of reaching students is that it's most often not "instant" at all; students receive messages when they log in or they visit the school's MySpace pages - the equivalent of using e-mail and a Web portal. * Source: Teens: E-Mail Is For Old People, Nate Anderson, ars technica, 06/10/02 http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061002-7877.html
Sylvia, you may be feeling old, but I'm sure that you're not looking it, LOL. This article should be renamed, "Email is for People Who Are Too Busy To Be Slaves to Their Blackberries." Age as a variable is being conflated with responsibility, so the studies of usage are flawed atm. I teach freshmen, and one of two things is going to happen: either they will learn that in order to be productive, they will have to abandon their "I'm always available" strategies OR the workforce will have to adapt to people who think it is perfectly fine to text message and step out of the room during meetings to take phone calls. I don't know WHICH it is going to be, but my students don't seem to understand that being available all of the time means that one's overall productivity is substantially reduced. Which one's it gonna be? Deanya :-D. On Saturday, October 14, 2006, at 08:16 AM, Sylvia Korupp wrote:
Just saw an interesting article that made me smile and look quite old. SK
Teens: E-Mail Is For Old People
Excerpts: For some schools, the correct answer is: set up a MySpace page. After all, there's nothing hipper for students than being "friends" with your college registrar or school principal. The intriguing thing about this method of reaching students is that it's most often not "instant" at all; students receive messages when they log in or they visit the school's MySpace pages - the equivalent of using e-mail and a Web portal.
* Source: Teens: E-Mail Is For Old People, Nate Anderson, ars technica, 06/10/02
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061002-7877.html
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Deanya: I think I have to disagree with you about availability and overall productivity. The "distributed attention" type model has shown that today's students have a bit more ability to multitask well than we do. There's no doubt that their ability to do this may need to mature (ie they need to know which signals are important and which can wait) but their digital print settings (lots and lots of simultaneous windows) and their connectivity via phones, Blackberry, IM, email etc. suits what the workforce is looking for which is people who can do five things at once and do them all well. I teach my students to discriminate between all of the signals (ie sources of info they are connected to) so they can pay selective attention to what is really important at any one moment. There's certainly a time to shut it all off and focus on one task or one form of communication but as someone who multitasks all the time myself, I can't with good conscience preach to them that they'll have to ditch their connectivity to fit in to corporate culture. Just my opinion as a techno-addict. S On 10/14/06, Deanya Lattimore <mdlattim@syr.edu> wrote:
Sylvia, you may be feeling old, but I'm sure that you're not looking it, LOL.
This article should be renamed, "Email is for People Who Are Too Busy To Be Slaves to Their Blackberries." Age as a variable is being conflated with responsibility, so the studies of usage are flawed atm.
I teach freshmen, and one of two things is going to happen: either they will learn that in order to be productive, they will have to abandon their "I'm always available" strategies OR the workforce will have to adapt to people who think it is perfectly fine to text message and step out of the room during meetings to take phone calls. I don't know WHICH it is going to be, but my students don't seem to understand that being available all of the time means that one's overall productivity is substantially reduced.
Which one's it gonna be?
Deanya :-D.
On Saturday, October 14, 2006, at 08:16 AM, Sylvia Korupp wrote:
Just saw an interesting article that made me smile and look quite old. SK
Teens: E-Mail Is For Old People
Excerpts: For some schools, the correct answer is: set up a MySpace page. After all, there's nothing hipper for students than being "friends" with your college registrar or school principal. The intriguing thing about this method of reaching students is that it's most often not "instant" at all; students receive messages when they log in or they visit the school's MySpace pages - the equivalent of using e-mail and a Web portal.
* Source: Teens: E-Mail Is For Old People, Nate Anderson, ars technica, 06/10/02
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061002-7877.html
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On 10/14/06 9:22 AM, "Sarah Robbins" <intellagirl@gmail.com> wrote:
Deanya: I think I have to disagree with you about availability and overall productivity. The "distributed attention" type model has shown that today's students have a bit more ability to multitask well than we do.
I'd have to lean in favor of Deanya's point. I could be wrong, but I'd posit that students/kids/people may be able to multitask (e.g., do more concurrently) but question how WELL each thing gets done. Obviously, if you're sitting on hold in a call center, you can multitask fairly productively, but I daresay if one or more of your tasks involves deep cranial cogitation (DCC, my new trademarked term, ha!) those tasks might suffer in quality because you're unable to focus.
There's certainly a time to shut it all off and focus on one task or one form of communication but as someone who multitasks all the time myself, I can't with good conscience preach to them that they'll have to ditch their connectivity to fit in to corporate culture.
Continuous connectivity seems to be the new norm in corporations if for no other reason than for everyone to feel important and "wired." (Borgified?) Frankly, there are times when I wonder if we need to hold meetings in person or not, because all the people around the table are busy twiddling with their Crackberries and only giving 1/2 of an ear to the person in the room who's talking about the stuff they're supposedly gathered to discuss. In the corporate world, I wonder how much of that Crackberry-this and SMS-that are presenting the illusion of being knowledgeable, in-control, and otherwise on top of things....or whether it contributes to info-glut and a broad awareness that lacks depth. Granted, I have no formal evidence to support my claim here, but I think there's too much emphasis on "always-on" or "always-available" that it's borderline addiction. I've seen some MSM articles on vacations that keep mentioning the need for folks to be able to shut it all down and step into realspace for a while. I don't think that's such a bad idea, really.
Just my opinion as a techno-addict.
I wonder about that, myself. Given my recent musings on this whole concept, I wonder if I'm a recovering techno-addict or an up-and-coming Luddite. Will have to do the differential analysis sometime to find out. :) -rick
Rick, I have to agree with your point about multitasking. Multitasking while trying to be productive causes the work to take longer to produce. I have some friends who idealize the 'always avail' style of living and believe they cannot study without tv, IMs, and their cell phone all going and don't understand why they got bad grades. When trying to write a paper or get research done, I found that I get it done in half the time if I go to the library and leave my life at home. I've tried to live 'always available' and found it tiring and stressfull to maintain. I do try to maintain somewhat the 'always avail' style. I leave instant messaging programs and email open on my computer and check it when I can. I am virtually always available, but that doesn't mean I have to always be behind the computer. -Ellie On 10/14/06, Richard Forno <rforno@infowarrior.org> wrote:
On 10/14/06 9:22 AM, "Sarah Robbins" <intellagirl@gmail.com> wrote:
Deanya: I think I have to disagree with you about availability and overall productivity. The "distributed attention" type model has shown that today's students have a bit more ability to multitask well than we do.
I'd have to lean in favor of Deanya's point. I could be wrong, but I'd posit that students/kids/people may be able to multitask (e.g., do more concurrently) but question how WELL each thing gets done. Obviously, if you're sitting on hold in a call center, you can multitask fairly productively, but I daresay if one or more of your tasks involves deep cranial cogitation (DCC, my new trademarked term, ha!) those tasks might suffer in quality because you're unable to focus.
There's certainly a time to shut it all off and focus on one task or one form of communication but as someone who multitasks all the time myself, I can't with good conscience preach to them that they'll have to ditch their connectivity to fit in to corporate culture.
Continuous connectivity seems to be the new norm in corporations if for no other reason than for everyone to feel important and "wired." (Borgified?) Frankly, there are times when I wonder if we need to hold meetings in person or not, because all the people around the table are busy twiddling with their Crackberries and only giving 1/2 of an ear to the person in the room who's talking about the stuff they're supposedly gathered to discuss.
In the corporate world, I wonder how much of that Crackberry-this and SMS-that are presenting the illusion of being knowledgeable, in-control, and otherwise on top of things....or whether it contributes to info-glut and a broad awareness that lacks depth.
Granted, I have no formal evidence to support my claim here, but I think there's too much emphasis on "always-on" or "always-available" that it's borderline addiction. I've seen some MSM articles on vacations that keep mentioning the need for folks to be able to shut it all down and step into realspace for a while. I don't think that's such a bad idea, really.
Just my opinion as a techno-addict.
I wonder about that, myself. Given my recent musings on this whole concept, I wonder if I'm a recovering techno-addict or an up-and-coming Luddite. Will have to do the differential analysis sometime to find out. :)
-rick
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Just my opinion as a techno-addict.
I wonder about that, myself. Given my recent musings on this whole concept, I wonder if I'm a recovering techno-addict or an up-and-coming Luddite. Will have to do the differential analysis sometime to find out. :)
On my way back from Turin last year, I had an interesting albeit short conversation with a catholic scholar about the mental processes of composition and our phenomenological experiences of writing using various technics. He pointed out to me that he is much more creative and interesting in his prose when he writes with pen and paper. The claim was that his writing hand was much more connected to his creative brain than using both hands in composition on a computer keyboard. My experience is somewhat different, given my usual tortured prose, I can be very productive at a computer screen, but when push comes to shove in editing my work, i almost always print out a draft, triple spaced, and edit by hand. I'm wondering how this might tie into the concern about productivity and quality. We all seem to know that we get a tickle in our pleasure centers when we are included in a conversation, but are there greater and lesser pleasures to pursue, will the pleasure of doing the 'great work' outweigh the pleasure of the next IM for those that become aware that there may be different sorts of pleasure, or will plurality of little joys win out.... thoughts?
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Motivation for a task as well. I take great job in writing papers about topics in sociology, as well as writing in my techblog. I get less job writing about things I have no personal investment in. I am fine going to the library and shutting everything off if I am participating in something I have a personal and emotional investment in. On other topics I welcome chatting and email as a backdrop to make up for my lack of interest in it. I also have to print out things to edit them...I think just because I'm so used to reading things on paper. I can't read a pdf of a journal article on a computer screen, I have to print it out and highlight it. I guess I'm just a very tactile person. -Ellie On 10/14/06, Jeremy Hunsinger <jhuns@vt.edu> wrote:
Just my opinion as a techno-addict.
I wonder about that, myself. Given my recent musings on this whole concept, I wonder if I'm a recovering techno-addict or an up-and-coming Luddite. Will have to do the differential analysis sometime to find out. :)
On my way back from Turin last year, I had an interesting albeit short conversation with a catholic scholar about the mental processes of composition and our phenomenological experiences of writing using various technics. He pointed out to me that he is much more creative and interesting in his prose when he writes with pen and paper. The claim was that his writing hand was much more connected to his creative brain than using both hands in composition on a computer keyboard. My experience is somewhat different, given my usual tortured prose, I can be very productive at a computer screen, but when push comes to shove in editing my work, i almost always print out a draft, triple spaced, and edit by hand. I'm wondering how this might tie into the concern about productivity and quality.
We all seem to know that we get a tickle in our pleasure centers when we are included in a conversation, but are there greater and lesser pleasures to pursue, will the pleasure of doing the 'great work' outweigh the pleasure of the next IM for those that become aware that there may be different sorts of pleasure, or will plurality of little joys win out.... thoughts?
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Sarah, I'm not disagreeing with you: That's why I asked the question, which one will it be? I'm not convinced that future companies run by these multi-tasking students will ask them to turn off their cell phones in meetings. I am, in fact, convinced otherwise: that these students will create work environments that allow them to remain superficially connected. I just can't predict what the outcome of such environments will be. Jeremy, are you thinking it won't be possible for an Einstein to emerge with a distributed brain processing model? Does "Einstein-level" thinking require Richard's "deep cranial cogitation"? (LOL - thanks for this, Rick.) All I know is that different kinds of brains process information in different ways. Just because multi-tasking is a new model, I don't believe that all people, even in the future, will do it anywhere near equally well. Back in my day, some kids listened to music or watched tv while they did their homework. I couldn't. I have to process information auditorily, so side sounds distract me. I keep trying to remember that we are all differently abled; I, for instance, cannot see images in my head -- I have visual memory dysfunction. I can't see pictures of -- "visualize" -- anything in my head. I can't play chess, because I can't visualize moves in advance. It was extremely hard for me to learn my multiplication tables because most people use visual memory to do it, and my teachers didn't know any other way to help me. I still can't add two two-digit numbers in my head because I can't remember that much information (eight places) without extreme effort and concentration. I think we need more research of how multi-tasking works with certain processing skills before we can decide what percentage of the population does it effectively. Another qualitative story: I generally allow students (1st-semester freshmen) to use laptops during class. Last week, we were writing a collaborative group paper on the overhead computer screen, and I asked everyone not taking notes on their laptops to close them up. We had done similar activities before with very little discussion. Several people after class (laptop typers and non-) told me how exciting class was with all of the discussion (so they noticed the difference without my saying anything about it). :-D. Deanya ps. becoming "unavail" to you people for a few hours now ( ;-) Ellie) On Saturday, October 14, 2006, at 09:22 AM, Sarah Robbins wrote:
Deanya: I think I have to disagree with you about availability and overall productivity. The "distributed attention" type model has shown that today's students have a bit more ability to multitask well than we do. There's no doubt that their ability to do this may need to mature (ie they need to know which signals are important and which can wait) but their digital print settings (lots and lots of simultaneous windows) and their connectivity via phones, Blackberry, IM, email etc. suits what the workforce is looking for which is people who can do five things at once and do them all well. I teach my students to discriminate between all of the signals (ie sources of info they are connected to) so they can pay selective attention to what is really important at any one moment. There's certainly a time to shut it all off and focus on one task or one form of communication but as someone who multitasks all the time myself, I can't with good conscience preach to them that they'll have to ditch their connectivity to fit in to corporate culture. Just my opinion as a techno-addict. S
On 10/14/06, Deanya Lattimore <mdlattim@syr.edu> wrote:
Sylvia, you may be feeling old, but I'm sure that you're not looking it, LOL.
This article should be renamed, "Email is for People Who Are Too Busy To Be Slaves to Their Blackberries." Age as a variable is being conflated with responsibility, so the studies of usage are flawed atm.
I teach freshmen, and one of two things is going to happen: either they will learn that in order to be productive, they will have to abandon their "I'm always available" strategies OR the workforce will have to adapt to people who think it is perfectly fine to text message and step out of the room during meetings to take phone calls. I don't know WHICH it is going to be, but my students don't seem to understand that being available all of the time means that one's overall productivity is substantially reduced.
Which one's it gonna be?
Deanya :-D.
On Saturday, October 14, 2006, at 08:16 AM, Sylvia Korupp wrote:
Just saw an interesting article that made me smile and look quite old. SK
Teens: E-Mail Is For Old People
Excerpts: For some schools, the correct answer is: set up a MySpace page. After all, there's nothing hipper for students than being "friends" with your college registrar or school principal. The intriguing thing about this method of reaching students is that it's most often not "instant" at all; students receive messages when they log in or they visit the school's MySpace pages - the equivalent of using e-mail and a Web portal.
* Source: Teens: E-Mail Is For Old People, Nate Anderson, ars technica, 06/10/02
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061002-7877.html
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What a fun topic! I want to throw a few thoughts into the gumbo. Multitasking is a term used to describe modern computer operating systems' ability to *apparently* do more than one thing at a time. Actually computers can only do one thing at a time but give the appearance of doing more than one thing at a time by rapidly switching between assigned tasks. There is some overhead in the process of switching between tasks and much work has been done to improve the efficiency of computers switching between tasks. "Thrashing" is the term used to describe when the overhead to switch between many tasks is more than the computer can handle. Perhaps the *new generation* growing up with unique distracters have developed methodology that makes them more efficient in task switching. Even more intriguing is the fact that the human brain "parallel processes" as compared to the serial processing of computers. Thus we are capable of doing more than one thing at the same time. Gardner's Multiple Intelligences, Jung's persona, and I forget what Freud called them all point to the possibility that we are not one but many (E pluribus unum). We can walk, talk, and chew gum at the same time. I'm not suggesting that everyone can "multitask" but perhaps some of us can. I know that I study best in a noisy and distracting environment. My wife needs absolute silence. n=2, noting is proved. Charlie Balch LSU Doctoral Candidate, Instructional Technology Arizona Western College, Professor of CIS http://charlie.balch.org -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Deanya Lattimore Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:31 AM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] email is 'out' Sarah, I'm not disagreeing with you: That's why I asked the question, which one will it be? I'm not convinced that future companies run by these multi-tasking students will ask them to turn off their cell phones in meetings. I am, in fact, convinced otherwise: that these students will create work environments that allow them to remain superficially connected. I just can't predict what the outcome of such environments will be. Jeremy, are you thinking it won't be possible for an Einstein to emerge with a distributed brain processing model? Does "Einstein-level" thinking require Richard's "deep cranial cogitation"? (LOL - thanks for this, Rick.) All I know is that different kinds of brains process information in different ways. Just because multi-tasking is a new model, I don't believe that all people, even in the future, will do it anywhere near equally well. Back in my day, some kids listened to music or watched tv while they did their homework. I couldn't. I have to process information auditorily, so side sounds distract me. I keep trying to remember that we are all differently abled; I, for instance, cannot see images in my head -- I have visual memory dysfunction. I can't see pictures of -- "visualize" -- anything in my head. I can't play chess, because I can't visualize moves in advance. It was extremely hard for me to learn my multiplication tables because most people use visual memory to do it, and my teachers didn't know any other way to help me. I still can't add two two-digit numbers in my head because I can't remember that much information (eight places) without extreme effort and concentration. I think we need more research of how multi-tasking works with certain processing skills before we can decide what percentage of the population does it effectively. Another qualitative story: I generally allow students (1st-semester freshmen) to use laptops during class. Last week, we were writing a collaborative group paper on the overhead computer screen, and I asked everyone not taking notes on their laptops to close them up. We had done similar activities before with very little discussion. Several people after class (laptop typers and non-) told me how exciting class was with all of the discussion (so they noticed the difference without my saying anything about it). :-D. Deanya ps. becoming "unavail" to you people for a few hours now ( ;-) Ellie) On Saturday, October 14, 2006, at 09:22 AM, Sarah Robbins wrote:
Deanya: I think I have to disagree with you about availability and overall productivity. The "distributed attention" type model has shown that today's students have a bit more ability to multitask well than we do. There's no doubt that their ability to do this may need to mature (ie they need to know which signals are important and which can wait) but their digital print settings (lots and lots of simultaneous windows) and their connectivity via phones, Blackberry, IM, email etc. suits what the workforce is looking for which is people who can do five things at once and do them all well. I teach my students to discriminate between all of the signals (ie sources of info they are connected to) so they can pay selective attention to what is really important at any one moment. There's certainly a time to shut it all off and focus on one task or one form of communication but as someone who multitasks all the time myself, I can't with good conscience preach to them that they'll have to ditch their connectivity to fit in to corporate culture. Just my opinion as a techno-addict. S
On 10/14/06, Deanya Lattimore <mdlattim@syr.edu> wrote:
Sylvia, you may be feeling old, but I'm sure that you're not looking it, LOL.
This article should be renamed, "Email is for People Who Are Too Busy To Be Slaves to Their Blackberries." Age as a variable is being conflated with responsibility, so the studies of usage are flawed atm.
I teach freshmen, and one of two things is going to happen: either they will learn that in order to be productive, they will have to abandon their "I'm always available" strategies OR the workforce will have to adapt to people who think it is perfectly fine to text message and step out of the room during meetings to take phone calls. I don't know WHICH it is going to be, but my students don't seem to understand that being available all of the time means that one's overall productivity is substantially reduced.
Which one's it gonna be?
Deanya :-D.
On Saturday, October 14, 2006, at 08:16 AM, Sylvia Korupp wrote:
Just saw an interesting article that made me smile and look quite old. SK
Teens: E-Mail Is For Old People
Excerpts: For some schools, the correct answer is: set up a MySpace page. After all, there's nothing hipper for students than being "friends" with your college registrar or school principal. The intriguing thing about this method of reaching students is that it's most often not "instant" at all; students receive messages when they log in or they visit the school's MySpace pages - the equivalent of using e-mail and a Web portal.
* Source: Teens: E-Mail Is For Old People, Nate Anderson, ars technica, 06/10/02
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061002-7877.html
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