Bernie/Blurky, Thanks for your thoughtful post re twitter. I have often stopped following things such as what you ate for dinner. One famous guy who did this a lot got mad at me about my not reciprocally following him. I explained why politely, and never heard from him again. I assume he's still mad. My first experience with Twitter Politics. I try to keep almost all of my tweets to my ideas or RTweeting others -- lotsa pointers to longer discussions. However, every once in a while I am bursting that was important to me that I just have to share it -- such as Bev/my recent Rafting down the Grand Canyon or you (Blurky/Bernie) coming to town. I also use such Tweets (as NancyBaym does) to promote my friends'/students' work. One thing hard to solve is people I usually learn from but who also point their daily stuff ("in the garden, painting my shoes"). I've half-seriously thought we could have Tweet1 and Tweet2 for ideas vs self-reporting posts. I'm also mystified why so many people (500+) follow me. I don't think I give very good value. (One of the first things we learned in the early days of computerized conferencing is that people have less useful things to say to each other on a daily basis than when they save it up for annual conferences.) Some do follow because others have suggested. Others I think are collectors of "names", even though no one would accuse me of being Ashton Kushner. I know in a few cases I myself am following a famous social scientist because he is famous (and verbose). There seem to be disciplinary clusters (when George Siemens of e-learning suggested following me, there was a surge) and geographical clusters (in my case: Brasil and Australia) which I assume is word of mouth. I can't believe that people who are following 500 have time to read them, even if they use Tweetdeck to prioritize. I have barely time to skim the 100 I do follow. As I tweeted yesterday, "frittering my time away" has been replaced by "twittering my time away". There are a whole bunch of research projects here, plus the social network stuff on who follows whom. Certainly I'm cross-linked with a bunch of AoIRish people. I know this because when someone Follows me, I check out who else they're following. Happy Canada Day! Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________ S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php _______________________________________________________________________
PS: One other dynamic I've self-observed: The more followers I have, the more I get. While this might seem like Merton/Matthew 101: those who have, get more I had expected the opposite: a ceiling effect on the truly modest grounds that I can't be That Interesting to That Many people. Rather, it appears to be a snowball effect. People who see some of my tweets on a Peep they are following decide to follow me. Worth modeling with multiple starting points for the sample. Happy Canada Day! Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________ S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php _______________________________________________________________________ On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Barry Wellman wrote:
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:38:18 -0400 From: Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> To: Bernie Hogan <bernie.hogan@gmail.com>, aoir list <air-l@aoir.org> Cc: barry wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> Subject: Who to UnFollow
Bernie/Blurky,
Thanks for your thoughtful post re twitter.
I have often stopped following things such as what you ate for dinner. One famous guy who did this a lot got mad at me about my not reciprocally following him. I explained why politely, and never heard from him again. I assume he's still mad. My first experience with Twitter Politics.
I try to keep almost all of my tweets to my ideas or RTweeting others -- lotsa pointers to longer discussions.
However, every once in a while I am bursting that was important to me that I just have to share it -- such as Bev/my recent Rafting down the Grand Canyon or you (Blurky/Bernie) coming to town.
I also use such Tweets (as NancyBaym does) to promote my friends'/students' work.
One thing hard to solve is people I usually learn from but who also point their daily stuff ("in the garden, painting my shoes"). I've half-seriously thought we could have Tweet1 and Tweet2 for ideas vs self-reporting posts.
I'm also mystified why so many people (500+) follow me. I don't think I give very good value. (One of the first things we learned in the early days of computerized conferencing is that people have less useful things to say to each other on a daily basis than when they save it up for annual conferences.) Some do follow because others have suggested. Others I think are collectors of "names", even though no one would accuse me of being Ashton Kushner. I know in a few cases I myself am following a famous social scientist because he is famous (and verbose).
There seem to be disciplinary clusters (when George Siemens of e-learning suggested following me, there was a surge) and geographical clusters (in my case: Brasil and Australia) which I assume is word of mouth. I can't believe that people who are following 500 have time to read them, even if they use Tweetdeck to prioritize. I have barely time to skim the 100 I do follow. As I tweeted yesterday, "frittering my time away" has been replaced by "twittering my time away".
There are a whole bunch of research projects here, plus the social network stuff on who follows whom. Certainly I'm cross-linked with a bunch of AoIRish people. I know this because when someone Follows me, I check out who else they're following.
Happy Canada Day!
Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________
S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php _______________________________________________________________________
I think Barry makes a good point, and one that challenges some of the earlier suggestions about "phatic communication", and one that cuts to the quick of whether we are dealing with performance or exhibition-based contexts. I tend to argue the latter, which is in keeping with Barry's point: These are tiny artifacts that signify the person, rather than imply a conversation or need for communication. They /can/ elicit communication, but the fact that one rarely replies to them suggests that this is not their primary function (phatic or otherwise). So Scott gets #4 (Play), and Barry get's #5: - They are a form of self-expression, rather than communication directed at a specific person or audience. Thanks for the thoughts, thus far, everyone. Take care, BERNiE On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Barry Wellman<wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
Bernie/Blurky,
Thanks for your thoughtful post re twitter.
I have often stopped following things such as what you ate for dinner. One famous guy who did this a lot got mad at me about my not reciprocally following him. I explained why politely, and never heard from him again. I assume he's still mad. My first experience with Twitter Politics.
I try to keep almost all of my tweets to my ideas or RTweeting others -- lotsa pointers to longer discussions.
However, every once in a while I am bursting that was important to me that I just have to share it -- such as Bev/my recent Rafting down the Grand Canyon or you (Blurky/Bernie) coming to town.
I also use such Tweets (as NancyBaym does) to promote my friends'/students' work.
One thing hard to solve is people I usually learn from but who also point their daily stuff ("in the garden, painting my shoes"). I've half-seriously thought we could have Tweet1 and Tweet2 for ideas vs self-reporting posts.
I'm also mystified why so many people (500+) follow me. I don't think I give very good value. (One of the first things we learned in the early days of computerized conferencing is that people have less useful things to say to each other on a daily basis than when they save it up for annual conferences.) Some do follow because others have suggested. Others I think are collectors of "names", even though no one would accuse me of being Ashton Kushner. I know in a few cases I myself am following a famous social scientist because he is famous (and verbose).
There seem to be disciplinary clusters (when George Siemens of e-learning suggested following me, there was a surge) and geographical clusters (in my case: Brasil and Australia) which I assume is word of mouth. I can't believe that people who are following 500 have time to read them, even if they use Tweetdeck to prioritize. I have barely time to skim the 100 I do follow. As I tweeted yesterday, "frittering my time away" has been replaced by "twittering my time away".
There are a whole bunch of research projects here, plus the social network stuff on who follows whom. Certainly I'm cross-linked with a bunch of AoIRish people. I know this because when someone Follows me, I check out who else they're following.
Happy Canada Day!
Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________
S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director Department of Sociology 725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388 University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 2J4 twitter:barrywellman http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman fax:+1-416-978-3963 Updating history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php _______________________________________________________________________
Hi folks, I'm a recent addition to the list... couple thoughts to add into the mix: First, Barry's 500 followers seem entirely sensible, given his status as a known author. I would postulate that there are four main avenues for picking up followers on twitter. (1) address book search. If I recall correctly, this is integrated into the system, such that when a new user joins twitter, it offers to search their address book and give them the option of following any matching profiles. That set of users will approximate one's social network and/or facebook friends list (perhaps only loosely so). (2) famous names. Extrapolating from personal experience, I know when I joined twitter I looked over the "following" list of a close colleague with overlapping research interests to see who I should add. Any author whose book or article I had found particularly interesting was immediately added. This set of users are where I derive much of the added value from twitter, personally. Without them, twitter isn't *much* different from facebook status updates. With them, I can learn about interesting articles and emerging topics beyond my network of close colleagues. (3) retweets/in-tweet mentions. I pick up a few additional followers after every tech conference, and they are often people who aren't attending the conference. This is because I'll be mentioned or retweeted by a colleague with a much larger following. The retweet mechanism is probably the most important for modeling/understanding the development of twitter norms, I think. Those who solely tweet about their lunch will virtually never be retweeted. Those who offer humor, valuable links, or 140-character insight will be. Humor and insight, in particular, likely encourage additional followers. Institutions like #followfriday are an outgrowth from this class. (4) offline mentions. If Barry includes his twitter handle on the first slide of a conference presentation, he likely sees a few immediate adds. When CNN, Oprah, etc announce their twitter handle to a mass audience, that both spurs an increase in twitter accounts and a surge in followers. I personally haven't partaken in these sites, and have little to no sense of what to make of it. There's a fifth category, which includes spambots, advertisers, etc, but I think we can safely set that aside as noise for the moment. Another dynamic to consider in any modeling exercise (and one which will be a HUGE pain for any empirical studies) is variance in platform. I use the iPhone app "tweety." Barry uses tweetdeck. It sounds like these platforms have different functionalities, and the growth of twitter will only encourage further code-based innovations of this sort. Compare those to twitter-via-laptop or -desktop and you have a completely different user experience. I never used twitter until I downloaded tweetie, because I found it a less-appealing distraction than facebook and a couple of favored blogs and discussion boards. With the mobile client, I now check twitter while waiting in line for coffee or sitting at a red light. Mobility and platform have a huge impact on how I'm experiencing the medium, and that in turn shapes my normative opinions about how people should and should not use the medium. Very interesting topic, thanks for raising it! -Dave Karpf -- Dave Karpf PhD, Political Science University of Pennsylvania Postdoctoral Research Associate Taubman Center for Public Policy Brown University www.davidkarpf.com davekarpf@gmail.com
There is also the approach of buying followers. I keep seeing online ads that for something like $50 you can buy 500 followers. On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Dave Karpf <davekarpf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm a recent addition to the list... couple thoughts to add into the mix:
First, Barry's 500 followers seem entirely sensible, given his status as a known author. I would postulate that there are four main avenues for picking up followers on twitter.
(1) address book search. If I recall correctly, this is integrated into the system, such that when a new user joins twitter, it offers to search their address book and give them the option of following any matching profiles. That set of users will approximate one's social network and/or facebook friends list (perhaps only loosely so).
(2) famous names. Extrapolating from personal experience, I know when I joined twitter I looked over the "following" list of a close colleague with overlapping research interests to see who I should add. Any author whose book or article I had found particularly interesting was immediately added. This set of users are where I derive much of the added value from twitter, personally. Without them, twitter isn't *much* different from facebook status updates. With them, I can learn about interesting articles and emerging topics beyond my network of close colleagues.
(3) retweets/in-tweet mentions. I pick up a few additional followers after every tech conference, and they are often people who aren't attending the conference. This is because I'll be mentioned or retweeted by a colleague with a much larger following. The retweet mechanism is probably the most important for modeling/understanding the development of twitter norms, I think. Those who solely tweet about their lunch will virtually never be retweeted. Those who offer humor, valuable links, or 140-character insight will be. Humor and insight, in particular, likely encourage additional followers. Institutions like #followfriday are an outgrowth from this class.
(4) offline mentions. If Barry includes his twitter handle on the first slide of a conference presentation, he likely sees a few immediate adds. When CNN, Oprah, etc announce their twitter handle to a mass audience, that both spurs an increase in twitter accounts and a surge in followers. I personally haven't partaken in these sites, and have little to no sense of what to make of it.
There's a fifth category, which includes spambots, advertisers, etc, but I think we can safely set that aside as noise for the moment.
Another dynamic to consider in any modeling exercise (and one which will be a HUGE pain for any empirical studies) is variance in platform. I use the iPhone app "tweety." Barry uses tweetdeck. It sounds like these platforms have different functionalities, and the growth of twitter will only encourage further code-based innovations of this sort. Compare those to twitter-via-laptop or -desktop and you have a completely different user experience. I never used twitter until I downloaded tweetie, because I found it a less-appealing distraction than facebook and a couple of favored blogs and discussion boards. With the mobile client, I now check twitter while waiting in line for coffee or sitting at a red light. Mobility and platform have a huge impact on how I'm experiencing the medium, and that in turn shapes my normative opinions about how people should and should not use the medium.
Very interesting topic, thanks for raising it! -Dave Karpf
-- Dave Karpf PhD, Political Science University of Pennsylvania
Postdoctoral Research Associate Taubman Center for Public Policy Brown University
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2009/7/1 Yosem Companys <companys@stanford.edu>:
There is also the approach of buying followers. I keep seeing online ads that for something like $50 you can buy 500 followers.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Dave Karpf <davekarpf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi folks, Compare those to twitter-via-laptop or -desktop and you have a completely different user experience. I never used twitter until I downloaded tweetie, because I found it a less-appealing distraction than facebook and a couple of favored blogs and discussion boards. With the mobile client, I now check twitter while waiting in line for coffee or sitting at a red light. Mobility and platform have a huge impact on how I'm experiencing the medium, and that in turn shapes my normative opinions about how people should and should not use the medium.
I've read this thread & the one about "Trivial Twittering". As others have pointed out, what's trivial to me, mayn't be trivial to others. Also, most of the people who I've heard to grumble about twitter being full of trivia about breakfast are generally using that as a reason not to use it - rather than those that have used it. Someone else also mentioned getting annoyed about apps that post to twitter; I've not installed any, nor do I think that many of my contacts have, as I rarely see them. I guess, though, I've done the equivalent in the past of feeding twitter to facebook. I didn't leave it there long, as I realised that I get bored with other people's twitter to facebook updates, so I've disabled it. I still have a lot of friends who do it - so maybe it doesn't bother them as much. Or perhaps they don't think about it - who knows. (And do the app users enjoy reading what their contacts apps have posted, do they not know how to disable them, or don't they care?) There's another person I follow who complains no end about people using #tags for conferences they're at - yet others find them very useful. Looking at some of the "How To " Guides for Twitter, it strikes me that many of the authors believe that *their* way of using Twitter is the best; and thus others should use it in the same way. But, going back to the example of the tweeter who hates #tags - and those of us who like them. Who's "right"? Is anyone? My personal view is that we should use it as we see fit; sure, there is always a role for sharing of what we consider to be best practice for us, but it's ultimately what suits me best that I'll do. Someone also mentioned buying followers ... there was an article about that on the BBC website yesterday: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8130456.stm -- Emma Duke-Williams: School of Computing/ Faculty eLearning Co-ordinator, University of Portsmouth, UK. Blog: http://userweb.port.ac.uk/~duke-wie/blog/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/emmadw SL: Emmadw Rickenbacker
2009/7/1 Yosem Companys <companys@stanford.edu>:
There is also the approach of buying followers. I keep seeing online ads that for something like $50 you can buy 500 followers.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Dave Karpf <davekarpf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi folks, Compare those to twitter-via-laptop or -desktop and you have a completely different user experience. I never used twitter until I downloaded tweetie, because I found it a less-appealing distraction than facebook and a couple of favored blogs and discussion boards. With the mobile client, I now check twitter while waiting in line for coffee or sitting at a red light. Mobility and platform have a huge impact on how I'm experiencing the medium, and that in turn shapes my normative opinions about how people should and should not use the medium.
I hate that when people quote pages of other people's sayings before even starting their own post. ;) -- Christophe. Le 3 juil. 09 à 15:11, Emma Duke-Williams a écrit :
2009/7/1 Yosem Companys <companys@stanford.edu>:
There is also the approach of buying followers. I keep seeing online ads that for something like $50 you can buy 500 followers.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Dave Karpf <davekarpf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi folks, Compare those to twitter-via-laptop or -desktop and you have a completely different user experience. I never used twitter until I downloaded tweetie, because I found it a less-appealing distraction than facebook and a couple of favored blogs and discussion boards. With the mobile client, I now check twitter while waiting in line for coffee or sitting at a red light. Mobility and platform have a huge impact on how I'm experiencing the medium, and that in turn shapes my normative opinions about how people should and should not use the medium.
I've read this thread & the one about "Trivial Twittering". As others have pointed out, what's trivial to me, mayn't be trivial to others. Also, most of the people who I've heard to grumble about twitter being full of trivia about breakfast are generally using that as a reason not to use it - rather than those that have used it.
Someone else also mentioned getting annoyed about apps that post to twitter; I've not installed any, nor do I think that many of my contacts have, as I rarely see them. I guess, though, I've done the equivalent in the past of feeding twitter to facebook. I didn't leave it there long, as I realised that I get bored with other people's twitter to facebook updates, so I've disabled it. I still have a lot of friends who do it - so maybe it doesn't bother them as much. Or perhaps they don't think about it - who knows. (And do the app users enjoy reading what their contacts apps have posted, do they not know how to disable them, or don't they care?)
There's another person I follow who complains no end about people using #tags for conferences they're at - yet others find them very useful.
Looking at some of the "How To " Guides for Twitter, it strikes me that many of the authors believe that *their* way of using Twitter is the best; and thus others should use it in the same way. But, going back to the example of the tweeter who hates #tags - and those of us who like them. Who's "right"? Is anyone?
My personal view is that we should use it as we see fit; sure, there is always a role for sharing of what we consider to be best practice for us, but it's ultimately what suits me best that I'll do.
Someone also mentioned buying followers ... there was an article about that on the BBC website yesterday: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8130456.stm
-- Emma Duke-Williams: School of Computing/ Faculty eLearning Co-ordinator, University of Portsmouth, UK. Blog: http://userweb.port.ac.uk/~duke-wie/blog/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/emmadw SL: Emmadw Rickenbacker _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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Slashdot had something about it too (not sure if quoting the BBC article). I found out thanks to my gmail advertising, which is constantly offering me packages of followers for some specified amount of money. bfire writes to tell us that marketing firm uSocial has decided to apply a
new monetization scheme to the Twitter service<http://www.itnews.com.au/News/149303,aussie-firm-sells-twitter-followers.aspx>by providing packages of followers for purchase. **
*"According to the firm, a single Twitter follower could be worth $0.10 a month. It is selling followers in various packages, starting at 1,000 for $87, which is delivered in seven days, and going all the way up to 100,000 followers at a cost of $3,479, delivered over a year."*
This is just the latest in a number of different exploits<http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry4496.html>and problems <http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry4402.html> of the Twitter universe as individuals try to subvert a popular tool into a self-serving device.
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Christophe Prieur < christophe.prieur@liafa.jussieu.fr> wrote:
2009/7/1 Yosem Companys <companys@stanford.edu>:
There is also the approach of buying followers. I keep seeing online ads that for something like $50 you can buy 500 followers.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Dave Karpf <davekarpf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
Compare those to
twitter-via-laptop or -desktop and you have a completely different user
experience. I never used twitter until I downloaded tweetie, because I found it a less-appealing distraction than facebook and a couple of favored blogs and discussion boards. With the mobile client, I now check twitter while waiting in line for coffee or sitting at a red light. Mobility and platform have a huge impact on how I'm experiencing the medium, and that in turn shapes my normative opinions about how people should and should not use the medium.
I hate that when people quote pages of other people's sayings before even starting their own post.
;)
-- Christophe.
Le 3 juil. 09 à 15:11, Emma Duke-Williams a écrit :
2009/7/1 Yosem Companys <companys@stanford.edu>:
There is also the approach of buying followers. I keep seeing online ads that for something like $50 you can buy 500 followers.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Dave Karpf <davekarpf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
Compare those to
twitter-via-laptop or -desktop and you have a completely different user
experience. I never used twitter until I downloaded tweetie, because I found it a less-appealing distraction than facebook and a couple of favored blogs and discussion boards. With the mobile client, I now check twitter while waiting in line for coffee or sitting at a red light. Mobility and platform have a huge impact on how I'm experiencing the medium, and that in turn shapes my normative opinions about how people should and should not use the medium.
I've read this thread & the one about "Trivial Twittering". As others have pointed out, what's trivial to me, mayn't be trivial to others. Also, most of the people who I've heard to grumble about twitter being full of trivia about breakfast are generally using that as a reason not to use it - rather than those that have used it.
Someone else also mentioned getting annoyed about apps that post to twitter; I've not installed any, nor do I think that many of my contacts have, as I rarely see them. I guess, though, I've done the equivalent in the past of feeding twitter to facebook. I didn't leave it there long, as I realised that I get bored with other people's twitter to facebook updates, so I've disabled it. I still have a lot of friends who do it - so maybe it doesn't bother them as much. Or perhaps they don't think about it - who knows. (And do the app users enjoy reading what their contacts apps have posted, do they not know how to disable them, or don't they care?)
There's another person I follow who complains no end about people using #tags for conferences they're at - yet others find them very useful.
Looking at some of the "How To " Guides for Twitter, it strikes me that many of the authors believe that *their* way of using Twitter is the best; and thus others should use it in the same way. But, going back to the example of the tweeter who hates #tags - and those of us who like them. Who's "right"? Is anyone?
My personal view is that we should use it as we see fit; sure, there is always a role for sharing of what we consider to be best practice for us, but it's ultimately what suits me best that I'll do.
Someone also mentioned buying followers ... there was an article about that on the BBC website yesterday: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8130456.stm
-- Emma Duke-Williams: School of Computing/ Faculty eLearning Co-ordinator, University of Portsmouth, UK. Blog: http://userweb.port.ac.uk/~duke-wie/blog/<http://userweb.port.ac.uk/%7Eduke-wie/blog/> Twitter: http://twitter.com/emmadw SL: Emmadw Rickenbacker _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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