Hi Mathieu and AoIR, As part of the free, open, Academic Journals' 'ecosystem,' here's startup, C.C. World University and School's Academic Journal's wiki, Subject page - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Academic_Journals_at_WUaS#World_Univer... . World University and School (which is like Wikipedia with MIT OCW and planning online, C.C. MIT-centric, university degrees in many languages) is also planning to develop academic journals in large languages to begin. For example, at present anyone can go to any subject on the main, WUAS, wiki, Subjects page - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Subjects - in English only (at this time), and find Academia.edu near the top, and potentially add the article they've written to that subject. Here's an example of a Subject page ... 'Open_Access_Resources' at WUaS - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Open_Access_Resources - and as a C.C. wiki, anyone can start a Subject page in an area they're interested in, using this SUBJECT TEMPLATE - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/SUBJECT_TEMPLATE - or similar, which currently includes Academia.edu, since it's free and open, and makes it possible for academics to self- publish. Have AoIR-ers seen Harvard computer science Professor Stuart Shieber's recent blog entry " Thoughts on founding open-access journals," which I've added to this WUaS Open Access Resources' subject using a version of the AAA citation approach: Shieber, Stuart. 2013. [http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2013/11/21/thoughts-on-founding-open-a... Thoughts on founding open-access journals]. November 21. Brookline, MA: blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2013/11/21/thoughts-on-founding-open-access-journals/. Stuart Shieber is one of the leading, tenured academic voices for open access journals, and writing very sensibly. As startup World University and School develops and begins to accredit for university degrees, WUaS's approaches to online journals will move beyond Academia.edu's approach, particularly with respect to the editorial Board per Stuart Shieber's article. (A huge project, wiki WUaS seeks to begin the MIT / Harvard of the internet and in all 7,105 languages and 242 countries, and Wikipedia, by way of comparison, is in 287 languages and just developed and deployed a CC database, Wikidata. And WUaS plans to become a significant employer eventually, first hiring graduate students from greatest universities, if possible, as journal editors, and instructors in G+ Hangouts for example, to MIT faculty in MIT OCW in video). I think Elsevier and Academia.edu will continue to pursue their publishing strategies, but make questions of Copyright and Creative Commons' licensing ( http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Creative_Commons_Law#World_University_... ) more significant. Best, Scott - Scott MacLeod - Founder & President - http://scottmacleod.com/worlduniversityandschool.html - World University and School - like Wikipedia with MIT OpenCourseWare (not endorsed by MIT OCW) - incorporated as a nonprofit effective April 2010. On Mon 09/12/13 1:49 PM , Mathieu ONeil mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au sent:
Hi Ivan
Thanks for explaining! ;-) Well yes, pretty much everything you do online can be tracked, measured and sold (if that's what you mean by "control"). Nothing mysterious about that. Facebook and academia.edu have the same model (they even look the same): you provide content, we network it. It's a trade-off. If anyone can set up a non-commercial alternative that offers the same functionalities, I'll jump in right away (@Rob: I'm looking at you!). Re. open-access, at the risk of repetition: if you just have volunteers (as most open access journals do) then you will have inconsistent proof-reading and hence mistakes and errors (not all researchers can copy-edit or proofread well, particularly when English is not their first language). Maybe a slip in text quality is the price to pay? So yes, pools of university-run journals could pay proofreaders... in the current climate not sure many will go down that path. cheers
Mathieu
________________________________________ From: Iván [ivan.cha ar@gmail.com]Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:26 To: Mathieu ONeil Cc: Jonathan Sterne, Dr.; <air-l @listserv.aoir.org>Subject: Re: [Air-L] Open access and academia.edu
Dear colleagues,
I have been following this thread with interest and I would like to thank you all for the discussion. Mathieu, I think the walled garden Jonathan is suggeting goes beyond notions of ease of access. After all, new media devices and social media are usually designed for easy use. However, this ease is tied to obfuscatory operations whereby control, data collection and other procedures are 'hidden' from 'plainview.' I think it is our task to interrogate these obfuscations. Though I use academia.edu, this conversation has pushed me to reconsider how I present my research while contributing to free and open access. Also, thank you for posting the titles of good open access journals.
Best, Iván Chaar-López PhD Student Department of American Culture University of Michigan @multitudenred
On Dec 9, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Mathieu ONeil <math ieu.oneil@anu.edu.au> wrote:> Hi Jonathan
You probably should stop changing the title of the messages: breaks the thread :-)> The garden wall does not seem unscaleable, anyone can create an account on academia...> cheers Mathieu
________________________________________> From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] on behalf of Jonathan Sterne, Dr. [jon athan.sterne@mcgill.ca]> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:07
To: <air-l @listserv.aoir.org>> Subject: [Air-L] Open access and academia.edu> Just to be clear for Matthieu, my point wasn't about services and whether people like academia.edu or not. Many of my colleagues love it. My concern is profit models and ethical and social obligations, especially differences between theirs and mine. The walled garden is reason enough for me not to opt in. I have managed to continue discovering good new work without it.> On the services front, just a big +1 to the points from Daren and Rex.> Also: if you want open access journals to have higher impact factors, don't just submit to them, read the and cite them.> And one more thing: those of us who write tenure reviews also need to take time in our letters to argue for the significance of new publishing models when junior scholars take advantage of them.> Jonathan
PS -- Still, I also believe there is a place for university and independent presses: they do a lot of useful work for authors and for readers. Even the most committed digital humanists are still writing books, as are many social scientists who want to reach wider audiences. And funding for good open access journals remains an issue.> -- http://sterneworks.org> (apologies for iPad typos.)
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Dear all A timely contribution in todays Guardian: Randy Schekman, who receives the Nobel prize on Tuesday, explains why he's eschewing the 'luxury' journals in favour of Open Access. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/09/nobel-winner-boycott-science-... Natalie On 9 Dec 2013, at 22:59, "Scott MacLeod" <scott@scottmacleod.com<mailto:scott@scottmacleod.com>> wrote: Hi Mathieu and AoIR, As part of the free, open, Academic Journals' 'ecosystem,' here's startup, C.C. World University and School's Academic Journal's wiki, Subject page - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Academic_Journals_at_WUaS#World_Univer... . World University and School (which is like Wikipedia with MIT OCW and planning online, C.C. MIT-centric, university degrees in many languages) is also planning to develop academic journals in large languages to begin. For example, at present anyone can go to any subject on the main, WUAS, wiki, Subjects page - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Subjects - in English only (at this time), and find Academia.edu<http://Academia.edu> near the top, and potentially add the article they've written to that subject. Here's an example of a Subject page ... 'Open_Access_Resources' at WUaS - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Open_Access_Resources - and as a C.C. wiki, anyone can start a Subject page in an area they're interested in, using this SUBJECT TEMPLATE - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/SUBJECT_TEMPLATE - or similar, which currently includes Academia.edu<http://Academia.edu>, since it's free and open, and makes it possible for academics to self- publish. Have AoIR-ers seen Harvard computer science Professor Stuart Shieber's recent blog entry " Thoughts on founding open-access journals," which I've added to this WUaS Open Access Resources' subject using a version of the AAA citation approach: Shieber, Stuart. 2013. [http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2013/11/21/thoughts-on-founding-open-a... Thoughts on founding open-access journals<http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2013/11/21/thoughts-on-founding-open-access-journals/%20Thoughts%20on%20founding%20open-access%20journals>]. November 21. Brookline, MA: blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2013/11/21/thoughts-on-founding-open-access-journals/<http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2013/11/21/thoughts-on-founding-open-access-journals/>. Stuart Shieber is one of the leading, tenured academic voices for open access journals, and writing very sensibly. As startup World University and School develops and begins to accredit for university degrees, WUaS's approaches to online journals will move beyond Academia.edu<http://Academia.edu>'s approach, particularly with respect to the editorial Board per Stuart Shieber's article. (A huge project, wiki WUaS seeks to begin the MIT / Harvard of the internet and in all 7,105 languages and 242 countries, and Wikipedia, by way of comparison, is in 287 languages and just developed and deployed a CC database, Wikidata. And WUaS plans to become a significant employer eventually, first hiring graduate students from greatest universities, if possible, as journal editors, and instructors in G+ Hangouts for example, to MIT faculty in MIT OCW in video). I think Elsevier and Academia.edu<http://Academia.edu> will continue to pursue their publishing strategies, but make questions of Copyright and Creative Commons' licensing ( http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Creative_Commons_Law#World_University_... ) more significant. Best, Scott - Scott MacLeod - Founder & President - http://scottmacleod.com/worlduniversityandschool.html - World University and School - like Wikipedia with MIT OpenCourseWare (not endorsed by MIT OCW) - incorporated as a nonprofit effective April 2010. On Mon 09/12/13 1:49 PM , Mathieu ONeil mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au<mailto:mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au> sent: Hi Ivan Thanks for explaining! ;-) Well yes, pretty much everything you do online can be tracked, measured and sold (if that's what you mean by "control"). Nothing mysterious about that. Facebook and academia.edu<http://academia.edu> have the same model (they even look the same): you provide content, we network it. It's a trade-off. If anyone can set up a non-commercial alternative that offers the same functionalities, I'll jump in right away (@Rob: I'm looking at you!). Re. open-access, at the risk of repetition: if you just have volunteers (as most open access journals do) then you will have inconsistent proof-reading and hence mistakes and errors (not all researchers can copy-edit or proofread well, particularly when English is not their first language). Maybe a slip in text quality is the price to pay? So yes, pools of university-run journals could pay proofreaders... in the current climate not sure many will go down that path. cheers Mathieu ________________________________________ From: Iván [ivan.cha ar@gmail.com<mailto:ar@gmail.com>]Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:26 To: Mathieu ONeil Cc: Jonathan Sterne, Dr.; <air-l @listserv.aoir.org<http://listserv.aoir.org>>Subject: Re: [Air-L] Open access and academia.edu<http://academia.edu> Dear colleagues, I have been following this thread with interest and I would like to thank you all for the discussion. Mathieu, I think the walled garden Jonathan is suggeting goes beyond notions of ease of access. After all, new media devices and social media are usually designed for easy use. However, this ease is tied to obfuscatory operations whereby control, data collection and other procedures are 'hidden' from 'plainview.' I think it is our task to interrogate these obfuscations. Though I use academia.edu<http://academia.edu>, this conversation has pushed me to reconsider how I present my research while contributing to free and open access. Also, thank you for posting the titles of good open access journals. Best, Iván Chaar-López PhD Student Department of American Culture University of Michigan @multitudenred On Dec 9, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Mathieu ONeil <math ieu.oneil@anu.edu.au<mailto:ieu.oneil@anu.edu.au>> wrote:> Hi Jonathan You probably should stop changing the title of the messages: breaks the thread :-)> The garden wall does not seem unscaleable, anyone can create an account on academia...> cheers Mathieu ________________________________________> From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> [air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org>] on behalf of Jonathan Sterne, Dr. [jon athan.sterne@mcgill.ca<mailto:athan.sterne@mcgill.ca>]> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:07 To: <air-l @listserv.aoir.org<http://listserv.aoir.org>>> Subject: [Air-L] Open access and academia.edu<http://academia.edu>> Just to be clear for Matthieu, my point wasn't about services and whether people like academia.edu<http://academia.edu> or not. Many of my colleagues love it. My concern is profit models and ethical and social obligations, especially differences between theirs and mine. The walled garden is reason enough for me not to opt in. I have managed to continue discovering good new work without it.> On the services front, just a big +1 to the points from Daren and Rex.> Also: if you want open access journals to have higher impact factors, don't just submit to them, read the and cite them.> And one more thing: those of us who write tenure reviews also need to take time in our letters to argue for the significance of new publishing models when junior scholars take advantage of them.> Jonathan PS -- Still, I also believe there is a place for university and independent presses: they do a lot of useful work for authors and for readers. Even the most committed digital humanists are still writing books, as are many social scientists who want to reach wider audiences. And funding for good open access journals remains an issue.> -- http://sterneworks.org> (apologies for iPad typos.) On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:38, Matthieu "air-l-request@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l-request@listserv.aoir.org>" <air-l-request@listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l-request@listserv.aoir.org>> wrote:>> iefly: not sure about comparing the enormous fees charged by Elsevier etc to a free service like Academia. Now, granted that Academia.edu<http://Academia.edu> may be profiting off users, but - apart from its social networking functions - it does provide services since it tells you (amongst other things) (1) when people search for your work, what search terms they use, where they come from; (2) how many times subscribers have downloaded specific items; (3) when people upload content that you are interested in. 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