I'm wondering what people's recent experiences have been in terms of working with young people online - particularly around issues of ethics (e.g. anonymity, consent). I'm about to start researching an online fan community that is not teen-only but does have a large number of teen members, many of whom are involved in 'high' levels within the fandom (e.g. moderating forums, running popular blogs). I know, like with all teens online, that for some of them their parents are fully aware of their participation, whilst for others their parents don't have a clue what they get up to! The research (planned to be a wide-scale anonymous survey initially, with follow-up in-depth interviews and participant observation with a smaller number of participants) could exclude the teens altogether, or I could just involve them in the survey rather than the follow-up, but as they are a crucial part of the community I'm looking at it would be a shame not to involve them purely because it was ethically 'difficult'. Ruth
Hello! I am developing a new undergraduate program that focuses on the interdisciplinary study of an "eSociety." My list of targeted areas of study are below, but I am thinking about the demand for such a degree program. Put simply, can you help me think about why we need to train students to live in this digital age? What is the demand for such a new degree program? This is tough to talk about given that we don't know what "jobs" students will end up getting or what kinds of new careers will be out there... To develop a new degree program, we have to talk in terms of what jobs and skills students will have. I haven't much more than my own intuition. Any thoughts out there on jobs or outcomes for student training? I know this is a list of "researchers," but why does our work need to be translated to a student population who need 'job preparation?' Catherine
________________________________ From: "Deller, Ruth A" <R.A.Deller@shu.ac.uk> To: "'air-l@listserv.aoir.org'" <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:31 AM Subject: [Air-L] Work with young people
I'm wondering what people's recent experiences have been in terms of working with young people online - particularly around issues of ethics (e.g. anonymity, consent). I'm about to start researching an online fan community that is not teen-only but does have a large number of teen members, many of whom are involved in 'high' levels within the fandom (e.g. moderating forums, running popular blogs). I know, like with all teens online, that for some of them their parents are fully aware of their participation, whilst for others their parents don't have a clue what they get up to!
The research (planned to be a wide-scale anonymous survey initially, with follow-up in-depth interviews and participant observation with a smaller number of participants) could exclude the teens altogether, or I could just involve them in the survey rather than the follow-up, but as they are a crucial part of the community I'm looking at it would be a shame not to involve them purely because it was ethically 'difficult'.
Ruth
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Hi, Cathrine I think the issue of employerbility of the Internet studies graduates is a very interesting one. There are already plenty of unemployed sociologists (who fail to secure a uni or research job). However, there appears to be a significant demand for specialists skilled in: Internet Marketing, Integrated communications, managing online business ventures, developing business blogs etc. cheers, Michael On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Catherine Brooks <cbrooks4@yahoo.com>wrote:
Hello! I am developing a new undergraduate program that focuses on the interdisciplinary study of an "eSociety." My list of targeted areas of study are below, but I am thinking about the demand for such a degree program. Put simply, can you help me think about why we need to train students to live in this digital age? What is the demand for such a new degree program? This is tough to talk about given that we don't know what "jobs" students will end up getting or what kinds of new careers will be out there... To develop a new degree program, we have to talk in terms of what jobs and skills students will have. I haven't much more than my own intuition. Any thoughts out there on jobs or outcomes for student training?
I know this is a list of "researchers," but why does our work need to be translated to a student population who need 'job preparation?'
Catherine
________________________________ From: "Deller, Ruth A" <R.A.Deller@shu.ac.uk> To: "'air-l@listserv.aoir.org'" <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:31 AM Subject: [Air-L] Work with young people
I'm wondering what people's recent experiences have been in terms of working with young people online - particularly around issues of ethics (e.g. anonymity, consent). I'm about to start researching an online fan community that is not teen-only but does have a large number of teen members, many of whom are involved in 'high' levels within the fandom (e.g. moderating forums, running popular blogs). I know, like with all teens online, that for some of them their parents are fully aware of their participation, whilst for others their parents don't have a clue what they get up to!
The research (planned to be a wide-scale anonymous survey initially, with follow-up in-depth interviews and participant observation with a smaller number of participants) could exclude the teens altogether, or I could just involve them in the survey rather than the follow-up, but as they are a crucial part of the community I'm looking at it would be a shame not to involve them purely because it was ethically 'difficult'.
Ruth
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Curtin University has been running a BA (Internet Communications) program since 2001, first with the title BA (Internet Studies). We have a strong record of employability and focus on cleverly combining skills which lead to first employment, but with deeper concepts and ideas drawn from history, media, sociology, political science and so on. Our student enrolments have spiked significantly in the past three years, partly because of the fact we teach fully online. Four things which work: 1) the word media or communications is probably a key selling point 'studies' didn't cut it; indeed we have a shortened major as part of a BA (Mass Communication) called 'web media' which also sells well 2) practical, hands-on work is vital - not without ideas, critique and and so on, but as a complement. The focus is on creativity - blogging, web media production, curation projects, connecting the 'inherent' network sensibilities of people with their more professional context. 3) the selling point is also what you can do along with the major - students with us tend to do a double major or equivalent in digital design, or in marketing / public relations. So, the Internet communications major is the central point, but there's flexibility. This may vary though depending on expectation, culture, degree rules etc. 4) Coherence between individual courses (units in Australia) - so the four second year units build on first year; the third year units push further beyond second year and there's a clear link between them. Hope that helps - and http://netstudies.curtin.edu.au has the details Cheers Matt Professor Matthew Allen Head of Department, Internet Studies School of Media, Culture and Creative Arts Curtin University of Technology, CRICOS 00301J Australia +61 8 92663511 (v) +61 8 9266 3166 (f) ________________________________________ From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] on behalf of Michael Baron [webbaron@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012 3:49 PM To: Catherine Brooks Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-L] new degree program Hi, Cathrine I think the issue of employerbility of the Internet studies graduates is a very interesting one. There are already plenty of unemployed sociologists (who fail to secure a uni or research job). However, there appears to be a significant demand for specialists skilled in: Internet Marketing, Integrated communications, managing online business ventures, developing business blogs etc. cheers, Michael On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Catherine Brooks <cbrooks4@yahoo.com>wrote:
Hello! I am developing a new undergraduate program that focuses on the interdisciplinary study of an "eSociety." My list of targeted areas of study are below, but I am thinking about the demand for such a degree program. Put simply, can you help me think about why we need to train students to live in this digital age? What is the demand for such a new degree program? This is tough to talk about given that we don't know what "jobs" students will end up getting or what kinds of new careers will be out there... To develop a new degree program, we have to talk in terms of what jobs and skills students will have. I haven't much more than my own intuition. Any thoughts out there on jobs or outcomes for student training?
I know this is a list of "researchers," but why does our work need to be translated to a student population who need 'job preparation?'
Catherine
________________________________ From: "Deller, Ruth A" <R.A.Deller@shu.ac.uk> To: "'air-l@listserv.aoir.org'" <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:31 AM Subject: [Air-L] Work with young people
I'm wondering what people's recent experiences have been in terms of working with young people online - particularly around issues of ethics (e.g. anonymity, consent). I'm about to start researching an online fan community that is not teen-only but does have a large number of teen members, many of whom are involved in 'high' levels within the fandom (e.g. moderating forums, running popular blogs). I know, like with all teens online, that for some of them their parents are fully aware of their participation, whilst for others their parents don't have a clue what they get up to!
The research (planned to be a wide-scale anonymous survey initially, with follow-up in-depth interviews and participant observation with a smaller number of participants) could exclude the teens altogether, or I could just involve them in the survey rather than the follow-up, but as they are a crucial part of the community I'm looking at it would be a shame not to involve them purely because it was ethically 'difficult'.
Ruth
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Hi Catherine, This is an issue of particular salience to me at the moment as I am in the waning months of a Masters in the Social Science of the Internet at OII. I don't know if you have spoken to anyone there as you consider starting the program, but it might be worth your time. While I can't speak to an undergraduate degree I can tell you my thoughts on the employability of internet studies people (although speaking as a student currently without a job I don't know what that is worth to you, but I have spoken to lots of people about this as I will soon be on the market). In the current economy there is a high degree of uncertainty entering the job market outside of careers like finance or consulting where the entry level process is quite clear - if demanding. Opportunities to flourish - rather than just get by - are often based on convincing people to create a job that they didn't know they needed filled. This is a high risk/high reward proposition. I think internet studies is well suited to that, because being savvy about the use of social media/technology and the internet is something that every industry needs to do these days and there is a relative dearth of human capital that bridges the divide between social science and computer science. That said, getting a job in a position like that is all about legwork and it seems unlikely that there will be lots of straight forward career paths for your graduates if they don't take the initiative, at least initially. The above all holds true, I think, for "esociety" stuff that falls within government, education, policy, non-profit and advocacy space. On the business side, I think Michael is absolutely correct that there are a ton of internet marketing, social media, advertising and technology consulting things that your graduates might be able to so. In an otherwise bleak job market there seem to be a lot of opportunities there. It may also depend on the location of your institution. If you are in the bay area I am sure it would be much easier to set up networking events and establish a connection between your graduates and possible employers. I think the same holds true, to lesser extent, for NYC which seems to have a smaller fast growing tech scene. Thats all I got. Hope that helps. Feel free to email me if you have any other questions I can help with. Cheers, Alexander Furnas On Feb 28, 2012, at 7:49 AM, Michael Baron wrote:
Hi, Cathrine
I think the issue of employerbility of the Internet studies graduates is a very interesting one. There are already plenty of unemployed sociologists (who fail to secure a uni or research job). However, there appears to be a significant demand for specialists skilled in: Internet Marketing, Integrated communications, managing online business ventures, developing business blogs etc.
cheers, Michael
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Catherine Brooks <cbrooks4@yahoo.com>wrote:
Hello! I am developing a new undergraduate program that focuses on the interdisciplinary study of an "eSociety." My list of targeted areas of study are below, but I am thinking about the demand for such a degree program. Put simply, can you help me think about why we need to train students to live in this digital age? What is the demand for such a new degree program? This is tough to talk about given that we don't know what "jobs" students will end up getting or what kinds of new careers will be out there... To develop a new degree program, we have to talk in terms of what jobs and skills students will have. I haven't much more than my own intuition. Any thoughts out there on jobs or outcomes for student training?
I know this is a list of "researchers," but why does our work need to be translated to a student population who need 'job preparation?'
Catherine
________________________________ From: "Deller, Ruth A" <R.A.Deller@shu.ac.uk> To: "'air-l@listserv.aoir.org'" <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:31 AM Subject: [Air-L] Work with young people
I'm wondering what people's recent experiences have been in terms of working with young people online - particularly around issues of ethics (e.g. anonymity, consent). I'm about to start researching an online fan community that is not teen-only but does have a large number of teen members, many of whom are involved in 'high' levels within the fandom (e.g. moderating forums, running popular blogs). I know, like with all teens online, that for some of them their parents are fully aware of their participation, whilst for others their parents don't have a clue what they get up to!
The research (planned to be a wide-scale anonymous survey initially, with follow-up in-depth interviews and participant observation with a smaller number of participants) could exclude the teens altogether, or I could just involve them in the survey rather than the follow-up, but as they are a crucial part of the community I'm looking at it would be a shame not to involve them purely because it was ethically 'difficult'.
Ruth
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I have had several students recently who, after graduation, secured jobs in social media marketing or social media administration in PR departments of some very large (or not so large) corporations. I also have one student producing PR videos full time for the YouTube channel of a large, internationally known non-profit. Some good, basic public relations theory and practice coursework, as well as some basic marketing courses, would seem a good foundation, beyond the essential computer skills. And basics of single camera video production techniques (shooting, lighting, and sound, not just editing) seem more and more essential in this environment. Who knows what they'll be doing in five years, but those are the building blocks that seem to be required in today's job market. -- Mark D. Johns, Ph.D. Associate Professor, Communication Studies Luther College, Decorah, Iowa USA ----------------------------------------------- 2011-12 Director, Luther Study Centre 23 Haslemere Road Nottingham NG8 5GJ United Kingdom ----------------------------------------------- "Get the facts first. You can distort them later." ---Mark Twain On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Catherine Brooks <cbrooks4@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello! I am developing a new undergraduate program that focuses on the interdisciplinary study of an "eSociety." My list of targeted areas of study are below, but I am thinking about the demand for such a degree program. Put simply, can you help me think about why we need to train students to live in this digital age? What is the demand for such a new degree program? This is tough to talk about given that we don't know what "jobs" students will end up getting or what kinds of new careers will be out there... To develop a new degree program, we have to talk in terms of what jobs and skills students will have. I haven't much more than my own intuition. Any thoughts out there on jobs or outcomes for student training?
I know this is a list of "researchers," but why does our work need to be translated to a student population who need 'job preparation?'
Catherine
________________________________ From: "Deller, Ruth A" <R.A.Deller@shu.ac.uk> To: "'air-l@listserv.aoir.org'" <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:31 AM Subject: [Air-L] Work with young people
I'm wondering what people's recent experiences have been in terms of working with young people online - particularly around issues of ethics (e.g. anonymity, consent). I'm about to start researching an online fan community that is not teen-only but does have a large number of teen members, many of whom are involved in 'high' levels within the fandom (e.g. moderating forums, running popular blogs). I know, like with all teens online, that for some of them their parents are fully aware of their participation, whilst for others their parents don't have a clue what they get up to!
The research (planned to be a wide-scale anonymous survey initially, with follow-up in-depth interviews and participant observation with a smaller number of participants) could exclude the teens altogether, or I could just involve them in the survey rather than the follow-up, but as they are a crucial part of the community I'm looking at it would be a shame not to involve them purely because it was ethically 'difficult'.
Ruth
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