It *is* mortifying to see the results of a (presumably) serious set of interviews turned into what is fundamentally an anti-intellectual article. I have to say that every time I talk to a journalist I worry that I won't end up sounding like a fool-even if the quote is correct. The best people to talk to are beat reporters who really know the territory. Monica Hesse, by contrast, is a "staff writer" who as a result has written articles with titles that range from "Identity Stolen: Steel Yourself" to "Refrigerator Stuffed Too Full" and "...Can Modern Love Survive a Tale of Two Chairs?" For what it's worth, I see articles such as the one about Facebook as a callout about the importance of a topic and people related to it. When I worry about such pieces, I tell myself that my nonacademic friends (and the PR folks at my University) will be impressed that I was quoted and mostly forget what was said; that most of my academic friends will know how this works and shrug off what sounds silly; and that only a wayward few will parse each quote to understand its deep meaning. Joe Joseph Turow Robert Lewis Shayon Professor and Associate Dean for Graduate Studies Annenberg School for Communication University of Pennsylvania 3620 Walnut Street Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19104 215 898 5842
All this would be less of an issue if they only went after fairly-well established folks. However, they are picking on a graduate student. Now, I'm sure danah will end up fine because she does great work and seems to have developed a thick skin (hopefully). However, the damage is not just to danah. The explicit framing is the graduate student versus the "establishment" or the "peer-reviewed." I'm afraid this will create a chilling effect for the next graduate student or junior person who's working on an emerging field, and not just waiting for the slow gears of scholarly publishing to grind (and grind ... and grind ...) before sharing with her community some of her observations, musings or thoughts. The message here is keep your head way down or you will be subject to ridicule. On other stuff, I agree. This just highlights that the field is coming of age and attracting attention. Some negative attention is inevitable. I don't even mind it that much that they mocked the academic process. I'm just furious thinking about how discouraging this must be to danah and other graduate students who put their thoughts out there through multiple venues (some peer-reviewed, some not, which seems totally appropriate). Zeynep ---- Zeynep Tufekci, Ph.D. Department of Sociology and Anthropology University of Maryland at Baltimore County 1000 Hilltop Circle, Baltimore, MD http://userpages.umbc.edu/~zeynep/ On Dec 18, 2007 8:28 AM, Joseph Turow <jturow@asc.upenn.edu> wrote:
It *is* mortifying to see the results of a (presumably) serious set of interviews turned into what is fundamentally an anti-intellectual article. I have to say that every time I talk to a journalist I worry that I won't end up sounding like a fool-even if the quote is correct. The best people to talk to are beat reporters who really know the territory. Monica Hesse, by contrast, is a "staff writer" who as a result has written articles with titles that range from "Identity Stolen: Steel Yourself" to "Refrigerator Stuffed Too Full" and "...Can Modern Love Survive a Tale of Two Chairs?"
For what it's worth, I see articles such as the one about Facebook as a callout about the importance of a topic and people related to it. When I worry about such pieces, I tell myself that my nonacademic friends (and the PR folks at my University) will be impressed that I was quoted and mostly forget what was said; that most of my academic friends will know how this works and shrug off what sounds silly; and that only a wayward few will parse each quote to understand its deep meaning.
Joe
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The picture being painted here is far too simplistic, and as long as we insist on doing this, the public and media will continue to paint academics as bufoons. Must we really give them more ammunition? I'm sure you're a great guy. I tend to enjoy most of the people on this list on a daily basis. But the attitudes that make academics' reception with the public so squirrely are deeply entrenched and not even noticed half the time, and even the AoIR bastion of cross-fertilization and collegial hospitality rarely extends to the public. It's frustrating as hell, because the group otherwise has so much going for it. 1) "Monica Hesse, by contrast, is a 'staff writer' who as a result has written articles with titles..." I am sure that belittling peon staff writers who write obnoxious and brainless articles for retarded members of the public who are too stupid to remember to put their pants on before their shoes is the first step in mending our image and working towards good public relations with those outside the academy. Especially if that peon has been invited to read the discussion on this list and is quite possibly lurking here right now. Do *I* want to read an article entitled "Refrigerator Stuffed too Full?" Not usually. But why on earth would I give two shits if someone else wants to read that article? That's their business. I won't make fun of them for reading about refrigerators, and I can only hope they won't make fun of me for reading about the history of thermometers. 2) "For what it's worth...only a wayward few...." If no one can understand what you are writing about, you're writing it wrong. If you don't believe that people can or want to get it, then why on earth are you a scholar? So that you can write articles for other scholars? Because you're too insufferable to exist in the real world with real people who might really kick your ass? Or because your work has potential importance to society and can help make sense of this insane world we live in and hopefully impact peoples' lives in a positive way? Only you can answer this question, but you should know that a person's behavior will *always* lead people on the outside to make assumptions about the answer. The assumptions may or may not be correct, but the people making them are only working with the primary sources they have been given. If you are truly concerned that the media and journalists, and by extension the public, misunderstand what you do, then it is your job - it is your *responsibility* - to do everything in your power to make sure they get it. You're human, so sometimes you will fail at this. But being an academic is a hell of a lot more than merely sitting in a room with a bunch of books and cranking out research that the hungry public will lap up like dogs because it's just. so. brilliant. It also involves teaching. And not just in the classroom. Figure out who your audience/students are at any given moment and present accordingly. If necessary, ask them to repeat back what you just said in their own words so you can verify that they understood what you just said. Express interest in what is being written and try to gauge what the article's angle will be. This can be accomplished so, so easily merely by being friendly with the reporter and actually giving a crap about them as a professional and fellow human being. -Alexis On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, Joseph Turow wrote: ::Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:28:38 -0500 ::From: Joseph Turow <jturow@asc.upenn.edu> ::Reply-To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org ::To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org ::Subject: [Air-L] The Washington Post piece :: ::It *is* mortifying to see the results of a (presumably) serious set of ::interviews turned into what is fundamentally an anti-intellectual ::article. I have to say that every time I talk to a journalist I worry ::that I won't end up sounding like a fool-even if the quote is correct. ::The best people to talk to are beat reporters who really know the ::territory. Monica Hesse, by contrast, is a "staff writer" who as a ::result has written articles with titles that range from "Identity ::Stolen: Steel Yourself" to "Refrigerator Stuffed Too Full" and "...Can ::Modern Love Survive a Tale of Two Chairs?" :: :: :: ::For what it's worth, I see articles such as the one about Facebook as a ::callout about the importance of a topic and people related to it. When ::I worry about such pieces, I tell myself that my nonacademic friends ::(and the PR folks at my University) will be impressed that I was quoted ::and mostly forget what was said; that most of my academic friends will ::know how this works and shrug off what sounds silly; and that only a ::wayward few will parse each quote to understand its deep meaning. :: :: :: :: :: ::Joe :: ::Joseph Turow ::Robert Lewis Shayon Professor :: and Associate Dean for Graduate Studies ::Annenberg School for Communication ::University of Pennsylvania ::3620 Walnut Street ::Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19104 ::215 898 5842 :: :: :: ::_______________________________________________ ::The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list ::is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org ::Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org :: ::Join the Association of Internet Researchers: ::http://www.aoir.org/ :: + -------- redheadedstepchild.org ------- +
Those of us who make a living of observing others shouldn't be so sensitive when we are "observed." This journalistic piece (as any piece for that matter) can/should be criticized, but I wonder if "we" are experiencing a hostile media phenomena more than anything else... Hernando _________________________________ Hernando Rojas - Assistant Professor Life Sciences Communication University of Wisconsin - Madison (608) 262 7791 - www.lsc.wisc.edu -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Turner Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:50 AM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-L] The Washington Post piece The picture being painted here is far too simplistic, and as long as we insist on doing this, the public and media will continue to paint academics as bufoons. Must we really give them more ammunition? I'm sure you're a great guy. I tend to enjoy most of the people on this list on a daily basis. But the attitudes that make academics' reception with the public so squirrely are deeply entrenched and not even noticed half the time, and even the AoIR bastion of cross-fertilization and collegial hospitality rarely extends to the public. It's frustrating as hell, because the group otherwise has so much going for it. 1) "Monica Hesse, by contrast, is a 'staff writer' who as a result has written articles with titles..." I am sure that belittling peon staff writers who write obnoxious and brainless articles for retarded members of the public who are too stupid to remember to put their pants on before their shoes is the first step in mending our image and working towards good public relations with those outside the academy. Especially if that peon has been invited to read the discussion on this list and is quite possibly lurking here right now. Do *I* want to read an article entitled "Refrigerator Stuffed too Full?" Not usually. But why on earth would I give two shits if someone else wants to read that article? That's their business. I won't make fun of them for reading about refrigerators, and I can only hope they won't make fun of me for reading about the history of thermometers. 2) "For what it's worth...only a wayward few...." If no one can understand what you are writing about, you're writing it wrong. If you don't believe that people can or want to get it, then why on earth are you a scholar? So that you can write articles for other scholars? Because you're too insufferable to exist in the real world with real people who might really kick your ass? Or because your work has potential importance to society and can help make sense of this insane world we live in and hopefully impact peoples' lives in a positive way? Only you can answer this question, but you should know that a person's behavior will *always* lead people on the outside to make assumptions about the answer. The assumptions may or may not be correct, but the people making them are only working with the primary sources they have been given. If you are truly concerned that the media and journalists, and by extension the public, misunderstand what you do, then it is your job - it is your *responsibility* - to do everything in your power to make sure they get it. You're human, so sometimes you will fail at this. But being an academic is a hell of a lot more than merely sitting in a room with a bunch of books and cranking out research that the hungry public will lap up like dogs because it's just. so. brilliant. It also involves teaching. And not just in the classroom. Figure out who your audience/students are at any given moment and present accordingly. If necessary, ask them to repeat back what you just said in their own words so you can verify that they understood what you just said. Express interest in what is being written and try to gauge what the article's angle will be. This can be accomplished so, so easily merely by being friendly with the reporter and actually giving a crap about them as a professional and fellow human being. -Alexis On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, Joseph Turow wrote: ::Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:28:38 -0500 ::From: Joseph Turow <jturow@asc.upenn.edu> ::Reply-To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org ::To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org ::Subject: [Air-L] The Washington Post piece :: ::It *is* mortifying to see the results of a (presumably) serious set of ::interviews turned into what is fundamentally an anti-intellectual ::article. I have to say that every time I talk to a journalist I worry ::that I won't end up sounding like a fool-even if the quote is correct. ::The best people to talk to are beat reporters who really know the ::territory. Monica Hesse, by contrast, is a "staff writer" who as a ::result has written articles with titles that range from "Identity ::Stolen: Steel Yourself" to "Refrigerator Stuffed Too Full" and "...Can ::Modern Love Survive a Tale of Two Chairs?" :: :: :: ::For what it's worth, I see articles such as the one about Facebook as a ::callout about the importance of a topic and people related to it. When ::I worry about such pieces, I tell myself that my nonacademic friends ::(and the PR folks at my University) will be impressed that I was quoted ::and mostly forget what was said; that most of my academic friends will ::know how this works and shrug off what sounds silly; and that only a ::wayward few will parse each quote to understand its deep meaning. :: :: :: :: :: ::Joe :: ::Joseph Turow ::Robert Lewis Shayon Professor :: and Associate Dean for Graduate Studies ::Annenberg School for Communication ::University of Pennsylvania ::3620 Walnut Street ::Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19104 ::215 898 5842 :: :: :: ::_______________________________________________ ::The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list ::is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org ::Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org :: ::Join the Association of Internet Researchers: ::http://www.aoir.org/ :: + -------- redheadedstepchild.org ------- + _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
Humm - Makes you wonder what our research subjects would says if they were to read our reports and "studies..." Would they find our writing to be off target, missing the point and so on. What is our source of perfection in observation and reporting?? Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hernando Rojas" <hrojas@wisc.edu> To: <air-l@listserv.aoir.org>; <subbies@redheadedstepchild.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Air-L] The Washington Post piece
Those of us who make a living of observing others shouldn't be so sensitive when we are "observed."
I can confirm one thing: the article and its fallout has definitely increased the number of air-l subscription requests. I hope that some of the newbies who've come to the list because of the article and broader discussion of the article will weigh in with their thoughts. This list can certainly be used as a means to communicate to a broader public in an accessible way. Only a portion of the 2000-plus air-l subscribers are members of the Association of Internet Researchers, although I suspect many of those who aren't AoIR members are involved in some way in internet research. Holly List Manager, air-l -- Holly Kruse Faculty of Communication The University of Tulsa 600 S. College Ave. Tulsa, OK 74104 918-631-3845 holly-kruse@utulsa.edu or holly.kruse@gmail.com http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~holly-kruse
Holly Kruse wrote:
I can confirm one thing: the article and its fallout has definitely increased the number of air-l subscription requests. I hope that some of the newbies who've come to the list because of the article and broader discussion of the article will weigh in with their thoughts. This list can certainly be used as a means to communicate to a broader public in an accessible way. Only a portion of the 2000-plus air-l subscribers are members of the Association of Internet Researchers, although I suspect many of those who aren't AoIR members are involved in some way in internet research.
Holly List Manager, air-l
Holly, Thanks for demonstrating that even bad press can be better than no press at all. It will be interesting to see if the new members contribute or lurk, join AOIR or dismiss it after observing for a bit, or conclude that we are not interested in engaging the non-academic. I see from past traffic over the years that this is not the case. Here's to hoping they stick around. Welcome to you all. Darren Department of Geography University of Oklahoma
Holly-- Perhaps you could send the basic information on joining AoIR to the list? Best! Pam Pamela Estes Brewer Lecturer Department of English Appalachian State University PhD Candidate, Texas Tech University phone 828-262-2351 fax 828-262-2133 email brewerpe@appstate.edu Darren Purcell wrote:
Holly Kruse wrote:
I can confirm one thing: the article and its fallout has definitely increased the number of air-l subscription requests. I hope that some of the newbies who've come to the list because of the article and broader discussion of the article will weigh in with their thoughts. This list can certainly be used as a means to communicate to a broader public in an accessible way. Only a portion of the 2000-plus air-l subscribers are members of the Association of Internet Researchers, although I suspect many of those who aren't AoIR members are involved in some way in internet research.
Holly List Manager, air-l
Holly,
Thanks for demonstrating that even bad press can be better than no press at all. It will be interesting to see if the new members contribute or lurk, join AOIR or dismiss it after observing for a bit, or conclude that we are not interested in engaging the non-academic. I see from past traffic over the years that this is not the case. Here's to hoping they stick around. Welcome to you all.
Darren
Department of Geography University of Oklahoma
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