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MSN has announced that it will be closing or significantly changing its chatrooms worldwide, effective October 14. The announcement can be found at http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=40329 Lois Ann Scheidt MPA MIS SPHR CCP Doctoral Student School of Library and Information Science Indiana University Bloomington IN USA http://www.loisscheidt.com
With Internet Relay Chat flourishing worldwide since its creation in 1988, as well as the ongoing popularity of AOL's Instant Messenger, it seems to me that chat won't be dying out any time soon. Although I don't know of any definitive statistics, my impression is that compared to systems such as IRC and AIM, MSN chat has been just a drop in the bucket. Janet Sternberg, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Communication and Media Studies Fordham University Lois Ann Scheidt wrote:
MSN has announced that it will be closing or significantly changing its chatrooms worldwide, effective October 14. The announcement can be found at http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=40329
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I think this means the web based chat rooms and not IM or real time chat service. J Sternberg wrote:
With Internet Relay Chat flourishing worldwide since its creation in 1988, as well as the ongoing popularity of AOL's Instant Messenger, it seems to me that chat won't be dying out any time soon. Although I don't know of any definitive statistics, my impression is that compared to systems such as IRC and AIM, MSN chat has been just a drop in the bucket.
Janet Sternberg, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Communication and Media Studies Fordham University
Lois Ann Scheidt wrote:
MSN has announced that it will be closing or significantly changing its chatrooms worldwide, effective October 14. The announcement can be found at http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=40329
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Given the international membership on this list I'd be very interested in hearing reactions to MSN's announcement from outside the U.S. The news stories I heard about it on the radio in the U.S. emphasized spam and porn as being the reasons for the closing. Is that the reporting elsewhere? Thanks, Sj At 12:04 PM -0400 9/24/03, Karim R. Lakhani wrote:
I think this means the web based chat rooms and not IM or real time chat service.
J Sternberg wrote:
With Internet Relay Chat flourishing worldwide since its creation in 1988, as well as the ongoing popularity of AOL's Instant Messenger, it seems to me that chat won't be dying out any time soon. Although I don't know of any definitive statistics, my impression is that compared to systems such as IRC and AIM, MSN chat has been just a drop in the bucket.
Janet Sternberg, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Communication and Media Studies Fordham University
Lois Ann Scheidt wrote:
MSN has announced that it will be closing or significantly changing its chatrooms worldwide, effective October 14. The announcement can be found at http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=40329
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That was the reporting in DK as well - but the argument that chatrooms are used by pedophiles to meet children was mentioned as well. :-) Gitte ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jones" <sjones@uic.edu> To: <air-l@aoir.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [Air-l] The death of chat?
Given the international membership on this list I'd be very interested in hearing reactions to MSN's announcement from outside the U.S. The news stories I heard about it on the radio in the U.S. emphasized spam and porn as being the reasons for the closing. Is that the reporting elsewhere?
Thanks, Sj
At 12:04 PM -0400 9/24/03, Karim R. Lakhani wrote:
I think this means the web based chat rooms and not IM or real time chat service.
J Sternberg wrote:
With Internet Relay Chat flourishing worldwide since its creation in 1988, as well as the ongoing popularity of AOL's Instant Messenger, it seems to me that chat won't be dying out any time soon. Although I don't know of any definitive statistics, my impression is that compared to systems such as IRC and AIM, MSN chat has been just a drop in the bucket.
Janet Sternberg, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Communication and Media Studies Fordham University
Lois Ann Scheidt wrote:
MSN has announced that it will be closing or significantly changing its chatrooms worldwide, effective October 14. The announcement can be found at http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=40329
Lois Ann Scheidt MPA MIS SPHR CCP Doctoral Student School of Library and Information Science Indiana University Bloomington IN USA http://www.loisscheidt.com
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A report on BBC World News on TV was a bit more cynical. An English industry "expert" was interviewed, who opined that the primary reason related to Microsoft losing money from their chatroom services, caused partly by having to try to screen participation. As you know, Microsoft has been trying to generate more revenue from its other Internet services, such as Hotmail, as well. It seems that "Microsoft" and "free service" are a contradication in terms.....Alex alex.kuskis@utoronto.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jones" <sjones@uic.edu> To: <air-l@aoir.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [Air-l] The death of chat?
Given the international membership on this list I'd be very interested in hearing reactions to MSN's announcement from outside the U.S. The news stories I heard about it on the radio in the U.S. emphasized spam and porn as being the reasons for the closing. Is that the reporting elsewhere?
Thanks, Sj
At 12:04 PM -0400 9/24/03, Karim R. Lakhani wrote:
I think this means the web based chat rooms and not IM or real time chat service.
J Sternberg wrote:
With Internet Relay Chat flourishing worldwide since its creation in 1988, as well as the ongoing popularity of AOL's Instant Messenger, it seems to me that chat won't be dying out any time soon. Although I don't know of any definitive statistics, my impression is that compared to systems such as IRC and AIM, MSN chat has been just a drop in the bucket.
Janet Sternberg, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Communication and Media Studies Fordham University
Lois Ann Scheidt wrote:
MSN has announced that it will be closing or significantly changing its chatrooms worldwide, effective October 14. The announcement can be found at http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=40329
Lois Ann Scheidt MPA MIS SPHR CCP Doctoral Student School of Library and Information Science Indiana University Bloomington IN USA http://www.loisscheidt.com
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Sj wrote: ...
emphasized spam and porn as being the reasons for the closing. Is that the reporting elsewhere?
Hi! It was the same in Germany... I wonder: Cryptplogy is harmful, because terrorists could use it to communicate, so we tend to set our own right to privacy aside... Open Source is harmful, because it supposedly harms the industry, so the media view it increasingly negative and naive... Chats is the newest part... Where will this lead to? Would we give up cars, because we saw people get killed? Was industrialism (19th century) stopped, because it produced so many poor people in the cities(e.g. Manchester-capitalism)? Did we ban all(!) nuclear weapons because of Hiroshima? I wonder...why all this negatve hype around this still new and growing tool for communication called the net? We, the consumers/people/employees/etc. are supposed to accept the fact of change. Why can we not expect the same from goverments and corporations? I am not saying, that every new way is a good way - please - I still drink my beer, the way it was brewed in 1516! What happened to facts to judge whether something is good or not? Where is the patience that we had with new developments? Is it just me or my narrow view (timewise...), that implies, there is a greater fear towards change? Much greater than before? Has anyone access to data showing how societies reacted on technological changes before 1990? I would be interested in any country or society... Take care - and don't get scared... sam liban
It's also interesting that the US, Canada, Japan, and Brazil sites will remain open but only to persons who have subscriptions to one or more other MSN services. To keep access participants must have credit card and other information on file with Microsoft. The websites states that this is necessary so that MSN can deal with incidents that may occur in the chatrooms. I wonder how much of this information they will be making available to the police, etc if their is criminal activity taking place. On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Steve Jones wrote:
Given the international membership on this list I'd be very interested in hearing reactions to MSN's announcement from outside the U.S. The news stories I heard about it on the radio in the U.S. emphasized spam and porn as being the reasons for the closing. Is that the reporting elsewhere?
Thanks, Sj
At 12:04 PM -0400 9/24/03, Karim R. Lakhani wrote:
I think this means the web based chat rooms and not IM or real time chat service.
J Sternberg wrote:
With Internet Relay Chat flourishing worldwide since its creation in 1988, as well as the ongoing popularity of AOL's Instant Messenger, it seems to me that chat won't be dying out any time soon. Although I don't know of any definitive statistics, my impression is that compared to systems such as IRC and AIM, MSN chat has been just a drop in the bucket.
Janet Sternberg, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Communication and Media Studies Fordham University
Lois Ann Scheidt wrote:
MSN has announced that it will be closing or significantly changing its chatrooms worldwide, effective October 14. The announcement can be found at http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=40329
Lois Ann Scheidt MPA MIS SPHR CCP Doctoral Student School of Library and Information Science Indiana University Bloomington IN USA http://www.loisscheidt.com
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emphasized spam and porn as being the reasons for the closing.
Not so much in the UK (although it depends what you mean by 'porn'). Here it is the fear that paedophiles are 'grooming' youngsters for future abuse. There have been some high profile court cases recently... See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3133192.stm -- Dr Ben Anderson +44 (0)7710 187 806 www.essex.ac.uk/chimera/people/ben_anderson.html
From: Steve Jones <sjones@uic.edu> Reply-To: air-l@aoir.org Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:56:47 -0500 To: air-l@aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] The death of chat?
Given the international membership on this list I'd be very interested in hearing reactions to MSN's announcement from outside the U.S. The news stories I heard about it on the radio in the U.S. emphasized spam and porn as being the reasons for the closing. Is that the reporting elsewhere?
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