Re: [Air-l] where did you go, out; what did you do, nothing
This thread is interesting.. I admit not being very familiar with studies on teen behavior. But a few years ago I came across the following research, which offer interesting surveys of teens: Barbara Schneider and David Stevenson. (2000) The Ambitious Generation. *Observes teens in the 50s and early 90s. Laurence Steinberg. (1997) Beyond the Classroom. *Observes teens in the mid-to-late 80s. Conclusions in their research may not be as relevant when talking about Millennials and how they interact with their parents today, however.. I can't remember how the surveys address child-parent interactions.. This question is for anyone on our list.. maybe to add more context for the thread -- What are some recent/high-quality empirical studies addressing teen behavior? How can these kinds of studies inform us about how current teens may use the Web? - Paul -------------- Paul DiPerna Blau Exchange http://www.blauexchange.org email: pdiperna@blauexchange.org Online ID: http://claimid.com/pdiperna -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Air-l] where did you go, out; what did you do, nothing From: danah boyd <aoir.z3z@danah.org> Date: Sun, January 21, 2007 4:49 am To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Cc: aoir list <air-l@aoir.org> What do you mean by terrify their parents? What are you referencing when you say that most teens engage in this behavior? I'm definitely seeing most American teens doing anything to avoid scrutiny but that doesn't mean that their choices don't terrify their parents. Amongst the more protective parents, _anything_ their teen does that is about social status management terrifies the parents. This creates a pretty bad cycle of deception and attempts to hide what's going on, much of which is "normal" teen behavior. One thing that is definitely at play is that there's a LOT more surveillance going on. Your teen-parent dialogue has been pretty much obliterated because parents aren't allowing their teens out without a justification... no justification, no going out. Plus, the phone is there as a constant leash. I am, sadly, finding that some teens engage in some pretty heart- wrenching activities to gain the attention of parents whose focus is elsewhere. This appears to cross SES. In particular, i've seen self- harm (primarily cutting) used for this purpose. Anything to make their parents pay attention to them... These stories kill me. I've also seen plenty of teens who are genuinely angry at their parents (much of this seems to stem from divorce or violence between the parents); their reaction to this can be self-destruction. I suspect that the reason for this is that the parents actually come together over the kid so when the kid is in crisis.. this motivates some teens to be in crisis. danah On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Barry Wellman wrote:
I am puzzled by the notion that most teens will do things to terrify their parents. Are there data on that? Or is it just autobiographical projection?
Speaking autobiographically, and from a distance of 50 years, I suggest that most teens will try to avoid their parents' scrutiny. Terrifying them would only bring more scrutiny.
"Where did you go? "Out. "What did you do? "Nothing."
is the title, of a book about teen-parents relationships. By Robert Paul Smith. Published in 1959, which suggests that it was a general phenomenon then for my generation. And still in print, according to Amazon, which suggests some longterm relevance.
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My sense is that I was hypothesizing about the broad middle while danah is talking atypical cases. So both of us are right. Suicidal (or attempted suicidal) teens were big in my generation too. Hmn, should Romeo and Juliet have gone to couples therapy? Barry Wellman _____________________________________________________________________ Barry Wellman S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology NetLab Director Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman for fun: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php _____________________________________________________________________ On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Paul DiPerna wrote:
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:20:50 -0700 From: Paul DiPerna <pdiperna@blauexchange.org> To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Cc: aoir.z3z@danah.org, wellman@chass.utoronto.ca Subject: RE: [Air-l] where did you go, out; what did you do, nothing
This thread is interesting..
I admit not being very familiar with studies on teen behavior. But a few years ago I came across the following research, which offer interesting surveys of teens:
Barbara Schneider and David Stevenson. (2000) The Ambitious Generation.
*Observes teens in the 50s and early 90s.
Laurence Steinberg. (1997) Beyond the Classroom.
*Observes teens in the mid-to-late 80s.
Conclusions in their research may not be as relevant when talking about Millennials and how they interact with their parents today, however.. I can't remember how the surveys address child-parent interactions..
This question is for anyone on our list.. maybe to add more context for the thread --
What are some recent/high-quality empirical studies addressing teen behavior?
How can these kinds of studies inform us about how current teens may use the Web?
- Paul
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-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Air-l] where did you go, out; what did you do, nothing From: danah boyd <aoir.z3z@danah.org> Date: Sun, January 21, 2007 4:49 am To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Cc: aoir list <air-l@aoir.org>
What do you mean by terrify their parents? What are you referencing when you say that most teens engage in this behavior?
I'm definitely seeing most American teens doing anything to avoid scrutiny but that doesn't mean that their choices don't terrify their parents. Amongst the more protective parents, _anything_ their teen does that is about social status management terrifies the parents. This creates a pretty bad cycle of deception and attempts to hide what's going on, much of which is "normal" teen behavior. One thing that is definitely at play is that there's a LOT more surveillance going on. Your teen-parent dialogue has been pretty much obliterated because parents aren't allowing their teens out without a justification... no justification, no going out. Plus, the phone is there as a constant leash.
I am, sadly, finding that some teens engage in some pretty heart- wrenching activities to gain the attention of parents whose focus is elsewhere. This appears to cross SES. In particular, i've seen self- harm (primarily cutting) used for this purpose. Anything to make their parents pay attention to them... These stories kill me.
I've also seen plenty of teens who are genuinely angry at their parents (much of this seems to stem from divorce or violence between the parents); their reaction to this can be self-destruction. I suspect that the reason for this is that the parents actually come together over the kid so when the kid is in crisis.. this motivates some teens to be in crisis.
danah
On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Barry Wellman wrote:
I am puzzled by the notion that most teens will do things to terrify their parents. Are there data on that? Or is it just autobiographical projection?
Speaking autobiographically, and from a distance of 50 years, I suggest that most teens will try to avoid their parents' scrutiny. Terrifying them would only bring more scrutiny.
"Where did you go? "Out. "What did you do? "Nothing."
is the title, of a book about teen-parents relationships. By Robert Paul Smith. Published in 1959, which suggests that it was a general phenomenon then for my generation. And still in print, according to Amazon, which suggests some longterm relevance.
Barry Wellman, with fond memories for the Fordham Flames. _____________________________________________________________________
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There's a very interesting book on suicide, November of the Soul, by George Howe Colt (1991, updated 2006). The suicide rate has actually dropped slightly recently although there was a significant increase between the 1950s and the last couple decades. However, much of the increase is almost sure to be artifacts of reporting. Anyway, very thoughtful book and a lot of material on teen suicide. -- Bonnie On Jan 21, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Barry Wellman wrote:
My sense is that I was hypothesizing about the broad middle while danah is talking atypical cases. So both of us are right. Suicidal (or attempted suicidal) teens were big in my generation too. Hmn, should Romeo and Juliet have gone to couples therapy?
Barry Wellman _____________________________________________________________________
Barry Wellman S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology NetLab Director Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman for fun: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php _____________________________________________________________________
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Paul DiPerna wrote:
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:20:50 -0700 From: Paul DiPerna <pdiperna@blauexchange.org> To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Cc: aoir.z3z@danah.org, wellman@chass.utoronto.ca Subject: RE: [Air-l] where did you go, out; what did you do, nothing
This thread is interesting..
I admit not being very familiar with studies on teen behavior. But a few years ago I came across the following research, which offer interesting surveys of teens:
Barbara Schneider and David Stevenson. (2000) The Ambitious Generation.
*Observes teens in the 50s and early 90s.
Laurence Steinberg. (1997) Beyond the Classroom.
*Observes teens in the mid-to-late 80s.
Conclusions in their research may not be as relevant when talking about Millennials and how they interact with their parents today, however.. I can't remember how the surveys address child-parent interactions..
This question is for anyone on our list.. maybe to add more context for the thread --
What are some recent/high-quality empirical studies addressing teen behavior?
How can these kinds of studies inform us about how current teens may use the Web?
- Paul
-------------- Paul DiPerna Blau Exchange http://www.blauexchange.org email: pdiperna@blauexchange.org Online ID: http://claimid.com/pdiperna
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Air-l] where did you go, out; what did you do, nothing From: danah boyd <aoir.z3z@danah.org> Date: Sun, January 21, 2007 4:49 am To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Cc: aoir list <air-l@aoir.org>
What do you mean by terrify their parents? What are you referencing when you say that most teens engage in this behavior?
I'm definitely seeing most American teens doing anything to avoid scrutiny but that doesn't mean that their choices don't terrify their parents. Amongst the more protective parents, _anything_ their teen does that is about social status management terrifies the parents. This creates a pretty bad cycle of deception and attempts to hide what's going on, much of which is "normal" teen behavior. One thing that is definitely at play is that there's a LOT more surveillance going on. Your teen-parent dialogue has been pretty much obliterated because parents aren't allowing their teens out without a justification... no justification, no going out. Plus, the phone is there as a constant leash.
I am, sadly, finding that some teens engage in some pretty heart- wrenching activities to gain the attention of parents whose focus is elsewhere. This appears to cross SES. In particular, i've seen self- harm (primarily cutting) used for this purpose. Anything to make their parents pay attention to them... These stories kill me.
I've also seen plenty of teens who are genuinely angry at their parents (much of this seems to stem from divorce or violence between the parents); their reaction to this can be self-destruction. I suspect that the reason for this is that the parents actually come together over the kid so when the kid is in crisis.. this motivates some teens to be in crisis.
danah
On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Barry Wellman wrote:
I am puzzled by the notion that most teens will do things to terrify their parents. Are there data on that? Or is it just autobiographical projection?
Speaking autobiographically, and from a distance of 50 years, I suggest that most teens will try to avoid their parents' scrutiny. Terrifying them would only bring more scrutiny.
"Where did you go? "Out. "What did you do? "Nothing."
is the title, of a book about teen-parents relationships. By Robert Paul Smith. Published in 1959, which suggests that it was a general phenomenon then for my generation. And still in print, according to Amazon, which suggests some longterm relevance.
Barry Wellman, with fond memories for the Fordham Flames.
_____________________________________________________________________
Barry Wellman S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology NetLab Director Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman for fun: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php
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Hello All, A new Graduate Student Research Team has formed and would like the help of the membership. The assignment this time is to identify and gather information on academic publication venues for internet research. Information will include thematic/disciplinary focus, affiliation with academic associations, submission requirements, acceptance rate, contact information, etc. This data will be compiled and made available to all AoIR members to assist in both locating appropriate publication venues as well as in validating/ranking venues for purposes of promotion. Ideally, we would like a broad global selection so journals from all over would be great. If you have experience with peer reviewed journals that have been good venues for internet related research that you would like to share, please send them along to me. URLs a bonus if you happen to have them. So as not to clutter the list, please send them to me personally: coopman@u.washington.edu Thanks for your assistance! -TED Ted M. Coopman Department of Communication University of Washington
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