Dear AoIR list members, I am participating on the list for about three years. In this period the AoIR conference took place in the Netherlands (2002), in Canada (2003), in England (2004) and will take place in the US (2005). These venues have at least two things in common: they are all countries of the north, and, apart from Holland, they are all English speaking countries. I can imagine that it is very hard to find a conference venue with the proper infrastructure, academic and financial background, etc. But wouldn't it be real international to look at Asia, Southeast Europe or Latin America for conference venues. I would love to attend an AoIR conference in Sao Paulo, Cairo or Budapest. I am sure this would send real international signals to the global internet interested community. Greetings from Vienna, Philipp -- Philipp Budka philbu@gmx.net Rustengasse 5/10 A-1150 Wien, Austria http://www.philbu.net http://www.lateinamerika-studien.at -- GMX ProMail mit bestem Virenschutz http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail +++ Empfehlung der Redaktion +++ Internet Professionell 10/04 +++
actually, this is one of the executives most talked about issue of late:) It is my understanding that everyone really wants to have more international conferences. it is actually very hard to ensure one thing, that the conference will not lose money. The conferences are self-funded, and one major loss could ruin us, so that means that in my opinion we have to have high attendance, somewhat high fees, and have to be very real about money(exchange rates affect percentage profit or loss). also, in my opinion, have a responsibility to our paid members, which sustain the organization, and the majority of those are in North America and Europe. To me, this means that we have to have the majority of our conferences where they have easy access. as global membership rises, this changes. as for language, I believe we voted on this two years ago. the conference will be in English, primarily because we don't have translation capability because it costs too much, and secondarily because when we did try to do it, it did not work well at all. I'm sure that once aoir is on firm financial footing, locations such as Cairo, Budapest, or Sao Paolo, will be attempted, our theoretical timeline for this is about 5 years out, remember of course that aoir is still a smallish organization, with about 400-500 members, so it takes time for the organization to build and grow, especially in terms of fiscal capacity. On Oct 4, 2004, at 5:33 AM, Philipp Budka wrote:
Dear AoIR list members,
I am participating on the list for about three years. In this period the AoIR conference took place in the Netherlands (2002), in Canada (2003), in England (2004) and will take place in the US (2005). These venues have at least two things in common: they are all countries of the north, and, apart from Holland, they are all English speaking countries. I can imagine that it is very hard to find a conference venue with the proper infrastructure, academic and financial background, etc. But wouldn't it be real international to look at Asia, Southeast Europe or Latin America for conference venues. I would love to attend an AoIR conference in Sao Paulo, Cairo or Budapest. I am sure this would send real international signals to the global internet interested community. Greetings from Vienna,
Philipp
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I am surprised to see Jeremy putting Sao Paolo and Budapest in the same segment of the same timeline. I am not sure what exactly he has in mind, but as far as cost of access is concerned, Budapest may be more accessible than Brighton for many Europeans (incl. East, Central, South) and people form the Middle East and Israel). As for the NAmericans - take the most affordable flight to a major European airport and then hop on the train. Malev, the Hungarian airline is also reputable and affordable. I would imagine also that meals and lodging may be more reasonably priced in Budapest than elsewhere. The potential for finding new sponsors should not be underestimated. Anybody there NOT attracted to Budapest? Certainly, adopting Hungarian as the working language is out of the question. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeremy hunsinger" <jhuns@vt.edu> To: <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [Air-l] AoIR conference venues
actually, this is one of the executives most talked about issue of late:) It is my understanding that everyone really wants to have more international conferences. it is actually very hard to ensure one thing, that the conference will not lose money. The conferences are self-funded, and one major loss could ruin us, so that means that in my opinion we have to have high attendance, somewhat high fees, and have to be very real about money(exchange rates affect percentage profit or loss).
also, in my opinion, have a responsibility to our paid members, which sustain the organization, and the majority of those are in North America and Europe. To me, this means that we have to have the majority of our conferences where they have easy access. as global membership rises, this changes.
as for language, I believe we voted on this two years ago. the conference will be in English, primarily because we don't have translation capability because it costs too much, and secondarily because when we did try to do it, it did not work well at all.
I'm sure that once aoir is on firm financial footing, locations such as Cairo, Budapest, or Sao Paolo, will be attempted, our theoretical timeline for this is about 5 years out,
remember of course that aoir is still a smallish organization, with about 400-500 members, so it takes time for the organization to build and grow, especially in terms of fiscal capacity.
On Oct 4, 2004, at 5:33 AM, Philipp Budka wrote:
Dear AoIR list members,
I am participating on the list for about three years. In this period the AoIR conference took place in the Netherlands (2002), in Canada (2003), in England (2004) and will take place in the US (2005). These venues have at least two things in common: they are all countries of the north, and, apart from Holland, they are all English speaking countries. I can imagine that it is very hard to find a conference venue with the proper infrastructure, academic and financial background, etc. But wouldn't it be real international to look at Asia, Southeast Europe or Latin America for conference venues. I would love to attend an AoIR conference in Sao Paulo, Cairo or Budapest. I am sure this would send real international signals to the global internet interested community. Greetings from Vienna,
Philipp
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As Jeremy pointed out, the exec is discussing future conference locations and all the complex factors that influence the choice of any particular city. For sure we could all come up with many places around the world we would love to visit, especially if AoIR were to hold a conference there. Unfortunately, it's not as easy as picking an attractive city. In order to gather more information on AoIR members' and AoIR conference attendees' opinions on this topic, Monica Murero and some others on the exec are in the process of finalizing a feedback survey. The link to this will be posted on the air-list soon, and then we encourage all of you to share your opinions on this topic with us through the survey means. Thanks! Ulla ---------------------------------------------------- Ulla Bunz Assistant Professor Department of Communication Rutgers University 4 Huntington Street New Brunswick, NJ 08901 Email: bunz@scils.rutgers.edu ---------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: air-l-aoir.org-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-aoir.org-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Maria Bakardjieva Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 8:52 AM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] AoIR conference venues I am surprised to see Jeremy putting Sao Paolo and Budapest in the same segment of the same timeline. I am not sure what exactly he has in mind, but as far as cost of access is concerned, Budapest may be more accessible than Brighton for many Europeans (incl. East, Central, South) and people form the Middle East and Israel). As for the NAmericans - take the most affordable flight to a major European airport and then hop on the train. Malev, the Hungarian airline is also reputable and affordable. I would imagine also that meals and lodging may be more reasonably priced in Budapest than elsewhere. The potential for finding new sponsors should not be underestimated. Anybody there NOT attracted to Budapest? Certainly, adopting Hungarian as the working language is out of the question. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeremy hunsinger" <jhuns@vt.edu> To: <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [Air-l] AoIR conference venues
actually, this is one of the executives most talked about issue of late:) It is my understanding that everyone really wants to have more international conferences. it is actually very hard to ensure one thing, that the conference will not lose money. The conferences are self-funded, and one major loss could ruin us, so that means that in my opinion we have to have high attendance, somewhat high fees, and have to be very real about money(exchange rates affect percentage profit or loss).
also, in my opinion, have a responsibility to our paid members, which sustain the organization, and the majority of those are in North America and Europe. To me, this means that we have to have the majority of our conferences where they have easy access. as global membership rises, this changes.
as for language, I believe we voted on this two years ago. the conference will be in English, primarily because we don't have translation capability because it costs too much, and secondarily because when we did try to do it, it did not work well at all.
I'm sure that once aoir is on firm financial footing, locations such as Cairo, Budapest, or Sao Paolo, will be attempted, our theoretical timeline for this is about 5 years out,
remember of course that aoir is still a smallish organization, with about 400-500 members, so it takes time for the organization to build and grow, especially in terms of fiscal capacity.
On Oct 4, 2004, at 5:33 AM, Philipp Budka wrote:
Dear AoIR list members,
I am participating on the list for about three years. In this period the AoIR conference took place in the Netherlands (2002), in Canada (2003), in England (2004) and will take place in the US (2005). These venues have at least two things in common: they are all countries of the north, and, apart from Holland, they are all English speaking countries. I can imagine that it is very hard to find a conference venue with the proper infrastructure, academic and financial background, etc. But wouldn't it be real international to look at Asia, Southeast Europe or Latin America for conference venues. I would love to attend an AoIR conference in Sao Paulo, Cairo or Budapest. I am sure this would send real international signals to the global internet interested community. Greetings from Vienna,
Philipp
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I didn't put it there, I just followed the other lead, I assumed the category was broadly conceived. On Oct 4, 2004, at 8:51 AM, Maria Bakardjieva wrote:
I am surprised to see Jeremy putting Sao Paolo and Budapest in the same segment of the same timeline.
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For those of you who are interested.. Budapest official website in English: http://english.budapest.hu/ Central European University: http://www.ceu.hu/ Hungarian as a working language for Internet Researchers: http://impulzus.sch.bme.hu/info/magyar.shtml best, endre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Bakardjieva" <bakardji@ucalgary.ca> To: <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Air-l] AoIR conference venues
I am surprised to see Jeremy putting Sao Paolo and Budapest in the same segment of the same timeline. I am not sure what exactly he has in mind, but as far as cost of access is concerned, Budapest may be more accessible than Brighton for many Europeans (incl. East, Central, South) and people form the Middle East and Israel). As for the NAmericans - take the most affordable flight to a major European airport and then hop on the train. Malev, the Hungarian airline is also reputable and affordable.
I would imagine also that meals and lodging may be more reasonably priced in Budapest than elsewhere. The potential for finding new sponsors should not be underestimated.
Anybody there NOT attracted to Budapest? Certainly, adopting Hungarian as the working language is out of the question.
----- Original Message ----- From: "jeremy hunsinger" <jhuns@vt.edu> To: <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [Air-l] AoIR conference venues
actually, this is one of the executives most talked about issue of late:) It is my understanding that everyone really wants to have more international conferences. it is actually very hard to ensure one thing, that the conference will not lose money. The conferences are self-funded, and one major loss could ruin us, so that means that in my opinion we have to have high attendance, somewhat high fees, and have to be very real about money(exchange rates affect percentage profit or loss).
also, in my opinion, have a responsibility to our paid members, which sustain the organization, and the majority of those are in North America and Europe. To me, this means that we have to have the majority of our conferences where they have easy access. as global membership rises, this changes.
as for language, I believe we voted on this two years ago. the conference will be in English, primarily because we don't have translation capability because it costs too much, and secondarily because when we did try to do it, it did not work well at all.
I'm sure that once aoir is on firm financial footing, locations such as Cairo, Budapest, or Sao Paolo, will be attempted, our theoretical timeline for this is about 5 years out,
remember of course that aoir is still a smallish organization, with about 400-500 members, so it takes time for the organization to build and grow, especially in terms of fiscal capacity.
On Oct 4, 2004, at 5:33 AM, Philipp Budka wrote:
Dear AoIR list members,
I am participating on the list for about three years. In this period the AoIR conference took place in the Netherlands (2002), in Canada (2003), in England (2004) and will take place in the US (2005). These venues have at least two things in common: they are all countries of the north, and, apart from Holland, they are all English speaking countries. I can imagine that it is very hard to find a conference venue with the proper infrastructure, academic and financial background, etc. But wouldn't it be real international to look at Asia, Southeast Europe or Latin America for conference venues. I would love to attend an AoIR conference in Sao Paulo, Cairo or Budapest. I am sure this would send real international signals to the global internet interested community. Greetings from Vienna,
Philipp
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well, if it comes to Budapest, I'm more than happy to help in all aspects of organisation... The Central European University would provide an excellent institutional framework. best, Endre _______________________________________ Endre Danyi Research fellow Center for Media and Communication Studies Central European University Nador u. 9. H-1051 Budapest, Hungary Phone: +36 1 327 3000 / 2195 Fax: +36 1 235 6168 Email: danyie@ceu.hu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philipp Budka" <philbu@gmx.net> To: "Association of Internet Researchers " <air-l@aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: [Air-l] AoIR conference venues
Dear AoIR list members,
I am participating on the list for about three years. In this period the AoIR conference took place in the Netherlands (2002), in Canada (2003), in England (2004) and will take place in the US (2005). These venues have at least two things in common: they are all countries of the north, and, apart from Holland, they are all English speaking countries. I can imagine that it is very hard to find a conference venue with the proper infrastructure, academic and financial background, etc. But wouldn't it be real international to look at Asia, Southeast Europe or Latin America for conference venues. I would love to attend an AoIR conference in Sao Paulo, Cairo or Budapest. I am sure this would send real international signals to the global internet interested community. Greetings from Vienna,
Philipp
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I would be happy to take part in the organizing work in Budapest. As I see I would be able to get the support of the Eotvos University for the organization and to involve some other institutions. Best, Laszlo Laszlo Ropolyi Dept. History and Philosophy of Science Eotvos University 1518 Budapest, Pf. 32. Tel: +36-1-3722949 Fax: +36-1-3722924 ropolyi@hps.elte.hu On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Endre_D=E1nyi?= wrote:
well, if it comes to Budapest, I'm more than happy to help in all aspects of organisation... The Central European University would provide an excellent institutional framework.
best, Endre
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Dear AoIR list members,
I am participating on the list for about three years. In this period the AoIR conference took place in the Netherlands (2002), in Canada (2003), in England (2004) and will take place in the US (2005). These venues have at least two things in common: they are all countries of the north, and, apart from Holland, they are all English speaking countries. I can imagine that it is very hard to find a conference venue with the proper infrastructure, academic and financial background, etc. But wouldn't it be real international to look at Asia, Southeast Europe or Latin America for conference venues. I would love to attend an AoIR conference in Sao Paulo, Cairo or Budapest. I am sure this would send real international signals to the global internet interested community. Greetings from Vienna,
Philipp
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let's be clear here, we have not even started to think that aoir can do budapest sometime in the near future at the management level. the current interest certainly brings it to our attention, and consideration though :) On Oct 4, 2004, at 9:26 AM, Laszlo Ropolyi wrote:
I would be happy to take part in the organizing work in Budapest. As I see I would be able to get the support of the Eotvos University for the organization and to involve some other institutions.
Best,
Laszlo
Laszlo Ropolyi Dept. History and Philosophy of Science Eotvos University 1518 Budapest, Pf. 32. Tel: +36-1-3722949 Fax: +36-1-3722924 ropolyi@hps.elte.hu
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Endre_D=E1nyi?= wrote:
well, if it comes to Budapest, I'm more than happy to help in all aspects of organisation... The Central European University would provide an excellent institutional framework.
best, Endre
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Dear AoIR list members,
I am participating on the list for about three years. In this period the AoIR conference took place in the Netherlands (2002), in Canada (2003), in England (2004) and will take place in the US (2005). These venues have at least two things in common: they are all countries of the north, and, apart from Holland, they are all English speaking countries. I can imagine that it is very hard to find a conference venue with the proper infrastructure, academic and financial background, etc. But wouldn't it be real international to look at Asia, Southeast Europe or Latin America for conference venues. I would love to attend an AoIR conference in Sao Paulo, Cairo or Budapest. I am sure this would send real international signals to the global internet interested community. Greetings from Vienna,
Philipp
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"Internationalization" of AoIR was in fact one of the main discussion topics for AoIR AGM of the conference on Monday. So, I assume that it is a growing concern for the organization and its identity, and the exec. board members are working on this issue. As a member, I wonder what this "internationalization" really means, though. I myself am having a trouble grappling with the concept. It seems more complicate than just picking up cities in "Asia, Southeast Europe or Latin America for conference venues." Having been born and raised in Korea for most of my life, me attending conferences in the US (or Canada or England) is still somewhat "international?!?" to me (although I am getting my academic training done at a US institution). Going to an AoIR conference in Korea would be more like being "domestic" to me although it may be being "international" to some others. What seems paradoxical here is that by arguing that the conferences should occur in Non-US, Non-English-speaking, Non-White, etc. places, perhaps we are reinforcing the idea that those US, English-speaking, White, etc. characteristics are the very defaults for AoIR and Other-izing "Asia, Southeast Europe or Latin America"? (And yes, I do think that AoIR is still mainly US-based, English-speaking, and White.) I guess my point is that it may be much more fruitful to approach this issue of "internationalization" with a different conceptual angle than to merely discuss what "exotic, foreign!?!?" cities to pick for the next conference sites. Cheers, Han Lee Department of Communication University of Illinois at Chicago ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philipp Budka" <philbu@gmx.net> To: "Association of Internet Researchers " <air-l@aoir.org> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:33 AM Subject: [Air-l] AoIR conference venues
Dear AoIR list members,
I am participating on the list for about three years. In this period the AoIR conference took place in the Netherlands (2002), in Canada (2003), in England (2004) and will take place in the US (2005). These venues have at least two things in common: they are all countries of the north, and, apart from Holland, they are all English speaking countries. I can imagine that it is very hard to find a conference venue with the proper infrastructure, academic and financial background, etc. But wouldn't it be real international to look at Asia, Southeast Europe or Latin America for conference venues. I would love to attend an AoIR conference in Sao Paulo, Cairo or Budapest. I am sure this would send real international signals to the global internet interested community. Greetings from Vienna,
Philipp
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I've sided with Philipp. I'd also like to bring to your attention the new visa entry policy of the US government. It'll make any conferences held in the US unattractive to international participants. Wu Mei University of Macau
which visa policy is this? On Oct 4, 2004, at 9:31 PM, meiwu@umac.mo wrote:
I've sided with Philipp. I'd also like to bring to your attention the new visa entry policy of the US government. It'll make any conferences held in the US unattractive to international participants.
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Good night to everybody, I think that the visa policy that Wu Mei is referring to has the following "democratic" components: 1.- For people traveling from the middle east and other Muslim countries it is basically impossible to obtain a tourist visa from a US Embassy or Consulate 2.- For nationals of countries like China, Russia etc., you may get a visa but they give you hell in the airport. 3.- For nationals of some countries in Latin America (I can speak for Mexico) it takes an entire day to get the visa, you need to schedule your appointment some times with 4 months in advance, pay 135 USD, and even being a NAFTA national, doesn't protect you against "special" security checks at the airports. 4.- Last but not least, EVERY international visitor to the US is finger-printed and photographed which some people find humiliating. It is unfortanate that immigration policies of this sort deter/limit the chances for people to participate in academic conferences. We are missing a truly valuable exchange of knowledge in the name of national security. Maria Garrido PhD Candidate Department of Communication University of Washington
You forgot to mention that colombians (could there be any Colombian that is not paramilitary, guerrilla or drug lord) might be stopped and scanned with x rays and other medical not-so-pleasant-methods. Getting back to other suggestion, why not getting virtual? Cristian Berrío Zapata Profesor PUJ - UNAL Facultad de Economía Teléfono (57 3)300 817 9849 cberrioz@cable.net.co CHAT cristianberrioz@hotmail.com -----Mensaje original----- De: air-l-aoir.org-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-aoir.org-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] En nombre de Maria Garrido Enviado el: Lunes, 04 de Octubre de 2004 11:03 p.m. Para: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Asunto: Re: [Air-l] AoIR conference venues Good night to everybody, I think that the visa policy that Wu Mei is referring to has the following "democratic" components: 1.- For people traveling from the middle east and other Muslim countries it is basically impossible to obtain a tourist visa from a US Embassy or Consulate 2.- For nationals of countries like China, Russia etc., you may get a visa but they give you hell in the airport. 3.- For nationals of some countries in Latin America (I can speak for Mexico) it takes an entire day to get the visa, you need to schedule your appointment some times with 4 months in advance, pay 135 USD, and even being a NAFTA national, doesn't protect you against "special" security checks at the airports. 4.- Last but not least, EVERY international visitor to the US is finger-printed and photographed which some people find humiliating. It is unfortanate that immigration policies of this sort deter/limit the chances for people to participate in academic conferences. We are missing a truly valuable exchange of knowledge in the name of national security. Maria Garrido PhD Candidate Department of Communication University of Washington _______________________________________________ Air-l-aoir.org mailing list Air-l-aoir.org@listserv.aoir.org http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
I am an EU citizen and i still need a visa to visit USA. I need to inform the USA embassy at least a week in advance, visit the embassy in person and be asked lots of screaning/profiling questions. the process (ofcourse an inovations of the Bush administration) is time consuming. personal preference: i prefer the conference to be in europe. Panayiotis Quoting Maria Garrido <migarrid@u.washington.edu>:
Good night to everybody,
I think that the visa policy that Wu Mei is referring to has the following "democratic" components: 1.- For people traveling from the middle east and other Muslim countries it is basically impossible to obtain a tourist visa from a US Embassy or Consulate 2.- For nationals of countries like China, Russia etc., you may get a visa but they give you hell in the airport. 3.- For nationals of some countries in Latin America (I can speak for Mexico) it takes an entire day to get the visa, you need to schedule your appointment some times with 4 months in advance, pay 135 USD, and even being
a NAFTA national, doesn't protect you against "special" security checks at the airports. 4.- Last but not least, EVERY international visitor to the US is finger-printed and photographed which some people find humiliating.
It is unfortanate that immigration policies of this sort deter/limit the chances for people to participate in academic conferences. We are missing a truly valuable exchange of knowledge in the name of national security.
Maria Garrido PhD Candidate Department of Communication University of Washington
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The newest policy I've heard of is that except for Canadian and Mexican passport holders, any foreigner with a visiting visa has to be taken finger prints at the US border. I don't know when exactly this policy will be implemented, but I've learned that the Japanese government is complaining. WM jeremy hunsinger <jhuns@vt.edu> Sent by: air-l-aoir.org-bounces@listserv.aoir.org 05/10/2004 11:34 AM Please respond to air-l@listserv.aoir.org To air-l@listserv.aoir.org cc Subject Re: [Air-l] AoIR conference venues which visa policy is this? On Oct 4, 2004, at 9:31 PM, meiwu@umac.mo wrote:
I've sided with Philipp. I'd also like to bring to your attention the new visa entry policy of the US government. It'll make any conferences held in the US unattractive to international participants.
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I fully concur with Dr. Wu. Why is it that every person on the planet (except Canadians and Mexicans who are not crooks) has to be fingerprinted by the FBI? Is it because Canadians and Mexicans are more honest? Or, is it because these two countries border the U.S. of A. and are no threat whatsoever? In light of this, I think the AoIR conference should be held anywhere but the US. Peter Jakubowicz The Chinese University of Hong Kong --- meiwu@umac.mo wrote:
The newest policy I've heard of is that except for Canadian and Mexican passport holders, any foreigner with a visiting visa has to be taken finger prints at the US border. I don't know when exactly this policy will be implemented, but I've learned that the Japanese government is complaining. WM
jeremy hunsinger <jhuns@vt.edu> Sent by: air-l-aoir.org-bounces@listserv.aoir.org 05/10/2004 11:34 AM Please respond to air-l@listserv.aoir.org
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which visa policy is this? On Oct 4, 2004, at 9:31 PM, meiwu@umac.mo wrote:
I've sided with Philipp. I'd also like to bring to your attention the new visa entry policy of the US government. It'll make any conferences held in the US unattractive to international participants.
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participants (12)
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Cristian Berrío Zapata -
Endre Dányi -
Han Lee -
jeremy hunsinger -
Laszlo Ropolyi -
Maria Bakardjieva -
Maria Garrido -
meiwu＠umac.mo -
Panayiotis Zaphiris -
peter jakubowicz -
Philipp Budka -
Ulla Bunz