Re: [Air-l] women bloggers
i've come across some sources that talk about some of the issues nancy mentions. here are some, plus annotations i did a year or two ago. robyn tasaka Henning, Jeffrey. "The Blogging Iceberg." *Perseus*. 4 October 2003. Perseus Development Corporation. 11 November 2005 < http://www.perseus.com/blogsurvey/thebloggingiceberg.html>. This article provides age and gender demographics of bloggers. Henning also says the typical bloggers are teenage girls who write for their friends. Herring, Susan and Inna Kouper, Lois Ann Scheidt, and Elijah Wright. "Women and Children Last: The Discursive Construction of Weblogs." *Into the Blogosphere: Rhetoric, Community, and Culture of Weblogs*. Ed. Laura J. Gurak, Smiljana Antonijevic, Laurie Johnson, Clancy Ratliff, and Jessica Reyman. June 2004. 11 November 2005 < http://blog.lib.umn.edu/blogosphere/introduction.html>. This article discusses how the mainstream media, academics, and even bloggers focus on filer-type blogs by adult men rather than the journal-type blogs by teenage girls that make up a vast majority of blogs. On 6/9/07, Paul Teusner <paul.teusner@rmit.edu.au> wrote:
G'day everyone,
Has anyone on this list come across data or reflections on the apparent under-representation of women in the blogosphere?
paul teusner
fishers, surfers and casters - http://teusner.org/
bio - http://paulteusner.org/
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Hello all, I am wondering if there is a verb describing the use of social networking sites such as My Space, Facebook etc. With the use of email, there is mailing With the use of IM there is IMing or chatting With just looking at stuff on the net there is surfing However, I don't know what the verb describing the use of social networking sites might be. You might say social networking, but you also do that at cocktail parties etc. Is it virtual networking? Any help would be appreciated. Rich Ling
richard.ling@telenor.com wrote:
Hello all,
I am wondering if there is a verb describing the use of social networking sites such as My Space, Facebook etc.
With the use of email, there is mailing With the use of IM there is IMing or chatting With just looking at stuff on the net there is surfing
However, I don't know what the verb describing the use of social networking sites might be.
You might say social networking, but you also do that at cocktail parties etc. Is it virtual networking?
Any help would be appreciated.
Rich Ling
Among undergrads on our campus, at least, "facebooking" has definitely become part of the lexicon. -- Mark D. Johns, Ph.D. Associate Professor and Head of the Department of Communication Studies Luther College, Decorah, Iowa USA http://academic.luther.edu/~johnsmar/ ----------------------------------------------- "Get the facts first. You can distort them later." ---Mark Twain
I'm with Mark - although I hear these terms (both "facebook" and "myspace" as verbs) mostly as transitive verbs, describing the action of either looking at someone else's page or requesting someone else's friendship - as in "I facebooked him, he looks cool" or "She myspaced me, it was weird." So as for a verb that describes just the act of just being signed on and using the sites for whatever general purposes, I don't hear people saying "I was sittting around facebooking yesterday" or "I myspaced for a few minutes this morning." (I hear this activity described as "...so then I was on Myspace/Facebook for a while, and then...") I'm not sure why this distinction should be, other than that Myspace/Facebook are perceived as more like "places" where more specific things (messaging, friending, commenting) are done, whereas emailing and IMing are activities in their own right -- but I'm curious to hear if this is a common usage that I just don't ever hear. Lauren On 6/16/07, Mark D. Johns <mjohns@luther.edu> wrote:
richard.ling@telenor.com wrote:
Hello all,
I am wondering if there is a verb describing the use of social networking sites such as My Space, Facebook etc.
With the use of email, there is mailing With the use of IM there is IMing or chatting With just looking at stuff on the net there is surfing
However, I don't know what the verb describing the use of social networking sites might be.
You might say social networking, but you also do that at cocktail parties etc. Is it virtual networking?
Any help would be appreciated.
Rich Ling
Among undergrads on our campus, at least, "facebooking" has definitely become part of the lexicon. -- Mark D. Johns, Ph.D. Associate Professor and Head of the Department of Communication Studies Luther College, Decorah, Iowa USA http://academic.luther.edu/~johnsmar/ ----------------------------------------------- "Get the facts first. You can distort them later." ---Mark Twain _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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Lauren M. Squires wrote:
... I don't hear people saying "I was sittting around facebooking yesterday" or "I myspaced for a few minutes this morning." (I hear this activity described as "...so then I was on Myspace/Facebook for a while, and then...")
I'm not sure why this distinction should be...
Lauren makes an interesting observation. I *do* occasionally hear students say things like, "I didn't feel like working on my paper, so I spent a couple hours facebooking." But it is far more usual to hear the usage she describes, "I facebooked him." Also on this campus, possibly because it is a small school in a small town and thus relatively isolated, MySpace is seldom mentioned. In fact, when I asked my internet class about it, that very unscientific sample reported that use of MySpace was considered somewhat deviant: "That's where the perverts are all hanging out." Some said they had used MySpace in high school, but graduated to facebook when they came to college. -- Mark D. Johns, Ph.D. Associate Professor and Head of the Department of Communication Studies Luther College, Decorah, Iowa USA http://academic.luther.edu/~johnsmar/ ----------------------------------------------- "Get the facts first. You can distort them later." ---Mark Twain
Also on this campus, possibly because it is a small school in a small town and thus relatively isolated, MySpace is seldom mentioned. In fact, when I asked my internet class about it, that very unscientific sample reported that use of MySpace was considered somewhat deviant: "That's where the perverts are all hanging out." Some said they had used MySpace in high school, but graduated to facebook when they came to college.
I found that with my students many had been on MySpace but now focused on Facebook. They indicated that Facebook was where their cohort had moved, so they moved too. Many of them had been on Xanga in high school, then moved to MySpace, and then to Facebook. We discussed this in my CMC seminar, and the students indicated that if some new site becomes the social networking place to be, they would abandon their current loyalty to Facebook and move to the new site. Although this may be changing (with notes, etc.), Facebook has for them certainly been more about the social network and less about content: less "bloggy" than MySpace or LiveJournal or Xanga. A pretty important caveat is that I have some students who are pretty involved in local and regional music production and promotion, and for them MySpace remains central, even as they also maintain "Facebooks," as they would call their Facebook pages -- perhaps indicating that MySpace, for all of its changes and problems over the past few years, remains the best place, for whatever reasons, for bands to promote themselves and information about music events to be circulated. Holly -- Holly Kruse Faculty of Communication The University of Tulsa 600 S. College Ave. Tulsa, OK 74104 918-631-3845 holly-kruse@utulsa.edu or holly.kruse@gmail.com http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~holly-kruse
Holly Kruse wrote:
.. A pretty important caveat is that I have some students who are pretty involved in local and regional music production and promotion, and for them MySpace remains central, even as they also maintain "Facebooks," as they would call their Facebook pages -- perhaps indicating that MySpace, for all of its changes and problems over the past few years, remains the best place, for whatever reasons, for bands to promote themselves and information about music events to be circulated.
Yes, I did hear that being in a band, or needing to be on top of the music scene (because one works at the student radio station, or for the Student Activity Council that books bands for concerts on campus) were acceptable excuses for using MySpace. However, I'm told that more and more bands are going to YouTube, which lends credence to your remark that loyalties are subject to change. -- Mark D. Johns, Ph.D. Associate Professor and Head of the Department of Communication Studies Luther College, Decorah, Iowa USA http://academic.luther.edu/~johnsmar/ ----------------------------------------------- "Get the facts first. You can distort them later." ---Mark Twain
I am still reading the archives on facebook. Just as a user note here rather than having any research. Facebook has less adds than myspace, and myspace allows me to share my home made music. Now some thing roughly quantitative to add. I joined facebook about a month ago. I looked for co-workers at statistics Canada as this was given to me as a choice in a fairly open way. more than 500 people seem to be employed at Statistics Canada on face book. Our government department Statistics Canada has only 6000 employees. 500+ / 6000 is an amazing amount of coworkers. Our recent section picnic of say 75 people was photographed by numerous people there and posted on face book a few times. I am now networked to so many people at work A different thought now. I am comparing facebook to the internet directly and finding more interaction with real life friends through facebook than on the internet without facebook. Peter Timusk, B.Math statistics (2002), B.A. legal studies (2006) Carleton University Systems Science Graduate student, University of Ottawa (2006-2007). just trying to stay linear. Read by hundreds of lurkers every week. On 16-Jun-07, at 6:08 PM, Holly Kruse wrote:
Although this may be changing (with notes, etc.), Facebook has for them certainly been more about the social network and less about content: less "bloggy" than MySpace or LiveJournal or Xanga.
A pretty important caveat is that I have some students who are pretty involved in local and regional music production and promotion, and for them MySpace remains central, even as they also maintain "Facebooks," as they would call their Facebook pages -- perhaps indicating that MySpace, for all of its changes and problems over the past few years, remains the best place, for whatever reasons, for bands to promote themselves and information about music events to be circulated.
One part of what people do on social networking sites is friending people. Anyway, I was wondering what people are saying and so I did some unscientific online research. :) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=facebooking http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=friending http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=myspacing "facebooking" has 26,400 google hits, "facebooked" 19,300 "friending" has 351,000 google hits, "friended" 331,000 "myspacing" has 121,000 google hits, "myspaced" 45,300 According to the Oxford American Dictionary, "friend" is an actual transitive verb, with this example sentence: "• add (someone) to a list of friends or contacts associated with a weblog or electronic list : I am friended by 29 people who I have not friended back." neither "facebook" nor "myspace" appear at all in the OAD. (The version on my mac, I mean.) --Jimbo
The idea of using friend as a verb reminds me of befriend (about 2 million hits in Google) befriending (1.59 million hits) and befriended (2.69 million hits). In other words, there is a well used traditional word that is already in place. In addition, I am not sure that "to friend" or "to befriend" really captures the essence of what is going on in these sites. Rich L. -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy Wales Sent: 17. juni 2007 13:47 To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] A verb for using social networking sites One part of what people do on social networking sites is friending people. Anyway, I was wondering what people are saying and so I did some unscientific online research. :) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=facebooking http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=friending http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=myspacing "facebooking" has 26,400 google hits, "facebooked" 19,300 "friending" has 351,000 google hits, "friended" 331,000 "myspacing" has 121,000 google hits, "myspaced" 45,300 According to the Oxford American Dictionary, "friend" is an actual transitive verb, with this example sentence: "* add (someone) to a list of friends or contacts associated with a weblog or electronic list : I am friended by 29 people who I have not friended back." neither "facebook" nor "myspace" appear at all in the OAD. (The version on my mac, I mean.) --Jimbo _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
"Befriend" seems to refer quite specifically to creating a friendship with someone with all the depth and diversity such a label implies across all contexts, while "friending" may or may not refer to creating a relationship that resembles the connection that "befriending" implies. This confusion/conflation between having a personal relationship that holds across varied contexts and having an online connection one wishes to maintain is at the heart of both site design shortcomings and public outcry about the devaluation of friendship in the age of social networking sites. I have been ranting a lot lately about the tremendous inadequacy of the term "friend" in social networking sites, especially as I find my own sitelives beginning to converge with the implication that I could REALLY use more fine tuned ways to differentiate amongst the connections subsumed within "friend." The introduction of applications into Facebook has really brought this home for me. I interviewed iLike's CEO for my blog and he thinks it's just great that our music social life should be subsumed within Facebook (of course he would given that this application has raised iLike's profile a gazillion fold), but I think it's deeply problematic to assume that we want the same set of "friends" to share in all our online activities. Flickr at least gives us friend/family/contact, but even that falls so far short of what's needed to adequately manage who shares what content and what you see about which people. My blog post about this is here (link to the iLike interview is in this post too): http://www.onlinefandom.com/archives/why-not-all-friends-are-the-same/ Aside from danah boyd's papers on Friendster, the real (i.e. what they mean to those who use them) definitions of 'friend' in social networking sites is a dreadfully understudied topic. If anyone has other references, please pass them along. Thanks. Nancy
The idea of using friend as a verb reminds me of befriend (about 2 million hits in Google) befriending (1.59 million hits) and befriended (2.69 million hits).
In other words, there is a well used traditional word that is already in place. In addition, I am not sure that "to friend" or "to befriend" really captures the essence of what is going on in these sites.
Rich L.
I'd agree that I sometimes feel uneasy about what I'm sharing, and with who, via FaceBook. It seems to come back to when we talk about our undergrads and the "don't they know who reads their stuff" concern. Someone (can't remember who) talked about this as assuming privacy or anonymity where there is really none- but it's a group consensus. Just as when, in a large group, everyone pretends to 'not listen' to the person talking next to them on their mobile phone. On a research note, I'm plugging a chapter from the 4th volume of the AoIR Annual, titled "Hyperfriendship and Beyond: Friends and Social Norms on LiveJournal" by David Fono and Kate Raynes-Goldie. They found that indeed, there was broad confusion and lack of consensus over what the term "friend" meant in the context of LiveJournal usage. Definitely worth a read--- Mia -- Mia Consalvo, Associate Professor Director of Graduate Studies 213 RTV Building School of Telecommunications 9 South College Street Ohio University Athens, OH 45701 740.597.1521 On 6/18/07 1:19 PM, "Nancy Baym" <nbaym@ku.edu> wrote:
I think it's deeply problematic to assume that we want the same set of "friends" to share in all our online activities.
And don't forget 'flickring', with 92,800 hits. What this translates to in French, German, Italian, Korean, Portuguese, Spanish and Chinese remains not to be seen. Rachel ________________________________________ From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy Wales [jwales@wikia.com] Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2007 9:47 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] A verb for using social networking sites One part of what people do on social networking sites is friending people. Anyway, I was wondering what people are saying and so I did some unscientific online research. :) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=facebooking http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=friending http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=myspacing "facebooking" has 26,400 google hits, "facebooked" 19,300 "friending" has 351,000 google hits, "friended" 331,000 "myspacing" has 121,000 google hits, "myspaced" 45,300 According to the Oxford American Dictionary, "friend" is an actual transitive verb, with this example sentence: "• add (someone) to a list of friends or contacts associated with a weblog or electronic list : I am friended by 29 people who I have not friended back." neither "facebook" nor "myspace" appear at all in the OAD. (The version on my mac, I mean.) --Jimbo _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
I'm a bit late but i thought i'd pipe up since i've been following the terms... Press and parents often use the term "social networking to describe what their teens are doing, but this is not the language of youth. Part of the reason for this is that the youth are not networking. This is where i think that the term has been flawed and why i call the sites "social network sites." What makes them unique and important is not the ability to engage in networking, but the ability to model out a social network in a visible way. When you're willing to let go of the sites as one practice, you'll find all sorts of -ing terms embedded within: friending, commenting, messaging (i.e. private messaging), copy/pasting or making layouts, etc. Youth distinguish between these because participation on social network sites varies tremendously. I don't think a generic term will arise from the youth to discuss practices across social network sites. I think that you will continue to see more and more use of the proprietary name, just as you hear youth talk about "googling" things. Also, regarding the comments on Facebook vs. MySpace, i'm trying to write up an essay about my data on this. The short answer is that it's classed at the high school level in the US. Working class kids, subcultural kids, queer kids, kids of color, etc. are using MySpace. College-bound kids, "good" kids, wealthy kids, sporty kids, etc. are all using Facebook. This has changed in the last year. It plays out some in college. If you go to a Latino-dominated community college, you're far more likely to see MySpace be the force. But if you're teaching a a 4-year institution, MySpace is barely visible except in the artist, queer, and subcultural communities. More on this on my blog shortly. danah - - - - - - - - - - d a n a h ( d o t ) o r g - - - - - - - - - - "taken out of context i must seem so strange" musings :: http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts
I have noticed a migration of sorts taking place between social networking sites. When I did research for my MSc dissertation the young people that I interviewed were all on www.bebo.com (Ages from 11 to 15). This was two years ago, the older of the group have migrated to myspace, but this also drags the younger members along with them. It will be interesting to see if the same happens in the next couple of years and the same migration happens to facebook or whatever the next popular thing is. Martin.
I agree with what Danah says on the generic terms part. And I'll bet that this difference between FB and MS has a LOT to do with the fact that FB was a "protected" site for so long. Unless you had a .edu email, you couldn't get a FB account until about a year ago. :-D. Deanya http://www.VelvetHedgehog.com/deanya/blog danah boyd wrote: ...
Also, regarding the comments on Facebook vs. MySpace, i'm trying to write up an essay about my data on this. The short answer is that it's classed at the high school level in the US. Working class kids, subcultural kids, queer kids, kids of color, etc. are using MySpace. College-bound kids, "good" kids, wealthy kids, sporty kids, etc. are all using Facebook. This has changed in the last year. It plays out some in college. If you go to a Latino-dominated community college, you're far more likely to see MySpace be the force. But if you're teaching a a 4-year institution, MySpace is barely visible except in the artist, queer, and subcultural communities. More on this on my blog shortly.
danah
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