Arab spring & social media evidence
Does anyone have evidence (or links to studies) that show the impact, or lack thereof, of social media on the Arab spring? This cause-effect model still circulates in the mediasphere, but what is the evidence show? Thanks. -Robert
I think any "cause-effect model" for any large-scale social phenomenon is sketchy, and I also think popular discourse loves such simplification. That is to say, I don't think "This Caused That" is something that evidence could directly demonstrate or refute (or even "refudiate" ;). That said, I've been reading Philip Howard's new book, "The Digital Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy," which is quite good, and provides something of a discussion of this question in its conclusions, and suggests that ICTs can play an important part in a "causal recipe" for democratization of Muslim states. - Alex On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:52 PM, nativebuddha <nativebuddha@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have evidence (or links to studies) that show the impact, or lack thereof, of social media on the Arab spring? This cause-effect model still circulates in the mediasphere, but what is the evidence show?
Thanks.
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There's a good analysis of this topic just out from IJOC: The Revolutions Were Tweeted: Information Flows During the 2011 Tunisian and Egyptian Revolutions http://ijoc.org/ojs/index.php/ijoc/article/view/1246/613 Alex --- Alexander Leavitt PhD Student USC Annenberg School for Communication & Journalism http://alexleavitt.com Twitter: @alexleavitt On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Alex Halavais <alex@halavais.net> wrote:
I think any "cause-effect model" for any large-scale social phenomenon is sketchy, and I also think popular discourse loves such simplification. That is to say, I don't think "This Caused That" is something that evidence could directly demonstrate or refute (or even "refudiate" ;).
That said, I've been reading Philip Howard's new book, "The Digital Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy," which is quite good, and provides something of a discussion of this question in its conclusions, and suggests that ICTs can play an important part in a "causal recipe" for democratization of Muslim states.
- Alex
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:52 PM, nativebuddha <nativebuddha@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have evidence (or links to studies) that show the impact, or lack thereof, of social media on the Arab spring? This cause-effect model still circulates in the mediasphere, but what is the evidence show?
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Thanks one and all for these suggestions. In response to Alex H's comments below, I completely agree. Unfortunately, there's a lot of policymaking going on right now that's picking up the cause-effect model and runnin' with it. In fact, popular discourse pretty much asserts that Twitter caused the revolution! This simplification is why there needs to be many more empirical studies. -robert
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Alex Halavais <alex@halavais.net>wrote:
I think any "cause-effect model" for any large-scale social phenomenon is sketchy, and I also think popular discourse loves such simplification. That is to say, I don't think "This Caused That" is something that evidence could directly demonstrate or refute (or even "refudiate" ;).
That said, I've been reading Philip Howard's new book, "The Digital Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy," which is quite good, and provides something of a discussion of this question in its conclusions, and suggests that ICTs can play an important part in a "causal recipe" for democratization of Muslim states.
- Alex
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Does anyone have evidence (or links to studies) that show the impact, or lack thereof, of social media on the Arab spring? This cause-effect model still circulates in the mediasphere, but what is the evidence show?
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I think Alex H's point was that many more empirical studies aren't going to affect that element of the popular discourse. Or put another way, when a journalist calls you up and asks a question like this (the one I get are usually along the lines of "is clicktivism good or bad?"), they want a simple answer. If you give them a complex/nuanced answer, they're either going to (a) misquote you or (b) not quote you at all. And if they *do* delve into the complexity as you explained it, their editor will surely tell them to cut it down and simplify it. As far as I can tell, egypt-as-twitter-revolution is basically a zombie lie. Far more people debunk the claim than actually hold the claim. It remains propped up solely for the debunking. ...All that said, David Faris gave an excellent presentation at the American Political Science Association Annual Meeting a few weeks ago, titled "Yes Malcolm, there really are social media revolutions." His argument, as I understand it, is that if Tahrir (and the years of organizing the preceded Tahrir) doesn't count as a social media-enabled revolution, then that just means we need to rethink the term. -DK On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:52 PM, nativebuddha <nativebuddha@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks one and all for these suggestions.
In response to Alex H's comments below, I completely agree. Unfortunately, there's a lot of policymaking going on right now that's picking up the cause-effect model and runnin' with it. In fact, popular discourse pretty much asserts that Twitter caused the revolution!
This simplification is why there needs to be many more empirical studies.
-robert
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Alex Halavais <alex@halavais.net wrote:
I think any "cause-effect model" for any large-scale social phenomenon is sketchy, and I also think popular discourse loves such simplification. That is to say, I don't think "This Caused That" is something that evidence could directly demonstrate or refute (or even "refudiate" ;).
That said, I've been reading Philip Howard's new book, "The Digital Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy," which is quite good, and provides something of a discussion of this question in its conclusions, and suggests that ICTs can play an important part in a "causal recipe" for democratization of Muslim states.
- Alex
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:52 PM, nativebuddha <nativebuddha@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have evidence (or links to studies) that show the impact, or lack thereof, of social media on the Arab spring? This cause-effect model still circulates in the mediasphere, but what is the evidence show?
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In line with what Dave is pointing out: http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/social.media/02/24/facebook.revolution/index.ht... Kind regards, Montathar On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Dave Karpf <davekarpf@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Alex H's point was that many more empirical studies aren't going to affect that element of the popular discourse.
Or put another way, when a journalist calls you up and asks a question like this (the one I get are usually along the lines of "is clicktivism good or bad?"), they want a simple answer. If you give them a complex/nuanced answer, they're either going to (a) misquote you or (b) not quote you at all. And if they *do* delve into the complexity as you explained it, their editor will surely tell them to cut it down and simplify it.
As far as I can tell, egypt-as-twitter-revolution is basically a zombie lie. Far more people debunk the claim than actually hold the claim. It remains propped up solely for the debunking.
...All that said, David Faris gave an excellent presentation at the American Political Science Association Annual Meeting a few weeks ago, titled "Yes Malcolm, there really are social media revolutions." His argument, as I understand it, is that if Tahrir (and the years of organizing the preceded Tahrir) doesn't count as a social media-enabled revolution, then that just means we need to rethink the term.
-DK
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wrote:
Thanks one and all for these suggestions.
In response to Alex H's comments below, I completely agree. Unfortunately, there's a lot of policymaking going on right now that's picking up the cause-effect model and runnin' with it. In fact, popular discourse pretty much asserts that Twitter caused the revolution!
This simplification is why there needs to be many more empirical studies.
-robert
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Alex Halavais <alex@halavais.net wrote:
I think any "cause-effect model" for any large-scale social phenomenon is sketchy, and I also think popular discourse loves such simplification. That is to say, I don't think "This Caused That" is something that evidence could directly demonstrate or refute (or even "refudiate" ;).
That said, I've been reading Philip Howard's new book, "The Digital Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy," which is quite good, and provides something of a discussion of this question in its conclusions, and suggests that ICTs can play an important part in a "causal recipe" for democratization of Muslim states.
- Alex
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:52 PM, nativebuddha <nativebuddha@gmail.com
wrote:
Does anyone have evidence (or links to studies) that show the impact, or lack thereof, of social media on the Arab spring? This cause-effect model still circulates in the mediasphere, but what is the evidence show?
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sure. reporters do need to condense. and policymakers will readily grab news stories if there isn't a lot of reserach out there. the point is less about what popular discourse does, and more about how to at least get a better picture of events to policymakers, so thet don't set up thousands of twitter kiosks in a repressive countries, hoping that that will spark a revolution. -robert On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Dave Karpf <davekarpf@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Alex H's point was that many more empirical studies aren't going to affect that element of the popular discourse.
Or put another way, when a journalist calls you up and asks a question like this (the one I get are usually along the lines of "is clicktivism good or bad?"), they want a simple answer. If you give them a complex/nuanced answer, they're either going to (a) misquote you or (b) not quote you at all. And if they *do* delve into the complexity as you explained it, their editor will surely tell them to cut it down and simplify it.
As far as I can tell, egypt-as-twitter-revolution is basically a zombie lie. Far more people debunk the claim than actually hold the claim. It remains propped up solely for the debunking.
...All that said, David Faris gave an excellent presentation at the American Political Science Association Annual Meeting a few weeks ago, titled "Yes Malcolm, there really are social media revolutions." His argument, as I understand it, is that if Tahrir (and the years of organizing the preceded Tahrir) doesn't count as a social media-enabled revolution, then that just means we need to rethink the term.
-DK
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:52 PM, nativebuddha <nativebuddha@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks one and all for these suggestions.
In response to Alex H's comments below, I completely agree. Unfortunately, there's a lot of policymaking going on right now that's picking up the cause-effect model and runnin' with it. In fact, popular discourse pretty much asserts that Twitter caused the revolution!
This simplification is why there needs to be many more empirical studies.
-robert
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Alex Halavais <alex@halavais.net wrote:
I think any "cause-effect model" for any large-scale social phenomenon is sketchy, and I also think popular discourse loves such simplification. That is to say, I don't think "This Caused That" is something that evidence could directly demonstrate or refute (or even "refudiate" ;).
That said, I've been reading Philip Howard's new book, "The Digital Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy," which is quite good, and provides something of a discussion of this question in its conclusions, and suggests that ICTs can play an important part in a "causal recipe" for democratization of Muslim states.
- Alex
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:52 PM, nativebuddha <nativebuddha@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have evidence (or links to studies) that show the impact, or lack thereof, of social media on the Arab spring? This cause-effect model still circulates in the mediasphere, but what is the evidence show?
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What Was the Role of Social Media During the Arab Spring? Project on Information Technology and Political Islam. pITPI http://pitpi.org/ http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12947477/reports/pITPI_datamemo_2011.pdf <http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12947477/reports/pITPI_datamemo_2011.pdf> Howard P.N., Duffy A., Freelon D., Hussain,M., Mari, W., & Mazaid, M., (2011) -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Alex Halavais Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:27 PM To: nativebuddha Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-L] Arab spring & social media evidence I think any "cause-effect model" for any large-scale social phenomenon is sketchy, and I also think popular discourse loves such simplification. That is to say, I don't think "This Caused That" is something that evidence could directly demonstrate or refute (or even "refudiate" ;). That said, I've been reading Philip Howard's new book, "The Digital Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy," which is quite good, and provides something of a discussion of this question in its conclusions, and suggests that ICTs can play an important part in a "causal recipe" for democratization of Muslim states. - Alex On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:52 PM, nativebuddha <nativebuddha@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have evidence (or links to studies) that show the impact, or
lack thereof, of social media on the Arab spring? This cause-effect model
still circulates in the mediasphere, but what is the evidence show?
Thanks.
-Robert
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This one place to at least get some references: http://poliecon.com/2011/09/08/information-manipulation-coordination-and-reg... On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Alex Halavais <alex@halavais.net> wrote:
I think any "cause-effect model" for any large-scale social phenomenon is sketchy, and I also think popular discourse loves such simplification. That is to say, I don't think "This Caused That" is something that evidence could directly demonstrate or refute (or even "refudiate" ;).
That said, I've been reading Philip Howard's new book, "The Digital Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy," which is quite good, and provides something of a discussion of this question in its conclusions, and suggests that ICTs can play an important part in a "causal recipe" for democratization of Muslim states.
- Alex
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Does anyone have evidence (or links to studies) that show the impact, or lack thereof, of social media on the Arab spring? This cause-effect model still circulates in the mediasphere, but what is the evidence show?
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Hi Robert, I have a survey off Tahrir Square that aims to scientifically establish that link. Unfortunately I've been too busy to look at the data so far. I've spoken about how I believe things happened in this domain. (I've been researching online communication in the Arab world for a decade, and have three books on the subject). Here's a link to a presentation I gave a couple of months ago at Personal Democracy Forum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDeOdEtmE70 I'm also writing about this in the Egypt report of the Mapping Digital Media project, which I'm now finalizing and should be online shortly. Hope this helps. Best regards. Rasha On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:52 PM, nativebuddha <nativebuddha@gmail.com>wrote:
Does anyone have evidence (or links to studies) that show the impact, or lack thereof, of social media on the Arab spring? This cause-effect model still circulates in the mediasphere, but what is the evidence show?
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I should add that I believe things were different from one country to another. For example, I don't believe social media played as big a role in Tunisia as it did in Egypt. Best, Rasha On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Dr. Rasha Abdulla <rasha@aucegypt.edu>wrote:
Hi Robert,
I have a survey off Tahrir Square that aims to scientifically establish that link. Unfortunately I've been too busy to look at the data so far. I've spoken about how I believe things happened in this domain. (I've been researching online communication in the Arab world for a decade, and have three books on the subject). Here's a link to a presentation I gave a couple of months ago at Personal Democracy Forum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDeOdEtmE70
I'm also writing about this in the Egypt report of the Mapping Digital Media project, which I'm now finalizing and should be online shortly.
Hope this helps. Best regards. Rasha
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Does anyone have evidence (or links to studies) that show the impact, or lack thereof, of social media on the Arab spring? This cause-effect model still circulates in the mediasphere, but what is the evidence show?
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Hi! We have written a paper titled "Collective memory building in Wikipedia: The case of North African uprisings" in which we look at how hundreds of editors of Wikipedia collaborated in building the collective memory of the Egyptian revolution, in real time, as the traumatic events unfolded. Wikipedia is of course different from Facebook and Twitter but it is built in a bottom-up fashion by "normal people" as the other social media. One of the differences is that while on Facebook or Twitter you can write what you want, on Wikipedia you have to mediate with other people's perspectives and (try to) reach a Neutral Point Of View. This is especially hard for traumatic events and during the first days. I'm going to present the paper at WikiSym (3 October 2011, Mountain View) so any suggestion/criticism is more than welcome! The paper can be found at http://www.gnuband.org/papers/collective_memory_building_in_wikipedia_the_ca... Paolo On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:52 PM, nativebuddha <nativebuddha@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have evidence (or links to studies) that show the impact, or lack thereof, of social media on the Arab spring? This cause-effect model still circulates in the mediasphere, but what is the evidence show?
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This might be interesting to many of you: How Facebook Changed the World: The Arab Spring Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnPR90dJ3Gk Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WNd-Zm0K9A Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pwovLCwBTY Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ1HGDWvvHI Each part is 15 minutes. Kind regards, Montathar On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:47 AM, paolo massa <paolo@gnuband.org> wrote:
Hi! We have written a paper titled "Collective memory building in Wikipedia: The case of North African uprisings" in which we look at how hundreds of editors of Wikipedia collaborated in building the collective memory of the Egyptian revolution, in real time, as the traumatic events unfolded. Wikipedia is of course different from Facebook and Twitter but it is built in a bottom-up fashion by "normal people" as the other social media. One of the differences is that while on Facebook or Twitter you can write what you want, on Wikipedia you have to mediate with other people's perspectives and (try to) reach a Neutral Point Of View. This is especially hard for traumatic events and during the first days.
I'm going to present the paper at WikiSym (3 October 2011, Mountain View) so any suggestion/criticism is more than welcome! The paper can be found at
http://www.gnuband.org/papers/collective_memory_building_in_wikipedia_the_ca...
Paolo
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Does anyone have evidence (or links to studies) that show the impact, or lack thereof, of social media on the Arab spring? This cause-effect model still circulates in the mediasphere, but what is the evidence show?
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