Yes, many of us are. But most moos are hybirds anyway. Newbies can go in graphical and then switch to text if they want to. There has really not been any good graphical moo interfaces. I've contributed lots of code to EncoreMOO over the years, and developed our own java telnet emulation, but it is not satisfactory. MooZilla is a very cool implimentation as well. http://projectachieve.net is our gui based hack, and I also host EdenMOO somewhere on the same server, which is all text. Just doing a chapter on moos for a book this summer, which may help to situate them. Moos are just really too cool for the general net at the moment. I'm sure they'll surface in 3-5 years when someone (like me) gets the time to do a proper rebuild from scratch. I've got a team waiting to do it, just not the funding. J -- ------ Jason Nolan, PhD Knowledge Media Design Institute Bahen Centre for Information Technology University of Toronto --- mailto:jason@jasonnolan.net phone:416-946-8513 http://jasonnolan.net/