It is impossible to dialogue when any critical opinion to the state of Israel is taken as anti-semitism and jew-hating. It explains A LOT what is going on in Gaza and why the international community tend to defend the other side. Intolerance for the difference. Not quite different from what Hamas did - except on the extension of the damage. Shame on you, Israel. The Palestinian state must be recognized ASAP!! Em terça-feira, 23 de janeiro de 2024, Sky Croeser via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> escreveu:
As I asked of Vikki, I would repeat my question whether this distaste for collective punishment (even at the level of reduced access to academic opportunities) might extend to some public statement in support of Palestinian academics and academic institutions under attack, without any call for involvement in the BDS movement?
On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 at 11:13 am, Alper, Meryl via Air-L < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
I echo and wholeheartedly agree with Vikki. This is an incredibly complex issue for which there is deep generational, intergenerational, and ongoing trauma for Palestinians and Israelis. It is not a topic on which there will uniform agreement among AoIR membership—nor should there be. As a society with a global membership, we have a wide range of views and lived experiences.
Moreover, the notion of boycotting academic institutions in Israeli is antisemitic, if not in intention, then at the very least in practice. Calls for it historically have a chilling effect on Jews and Israelis inside and outside of the academy, as they did in the Soviet USSR.
Meryl
From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Katz, Vikki via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Date: Monday, January 22, 2024 at 1:15 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org>, Ayelet Baram-Tsabari <ayelet@technion.ac.il>, g. tavmen <mail2gunes@yahoo.co.uk , Bolsover, Gillian <Gillian.Bolsover@hpi.de> Subject: Re: [Air-L] The difficult conversation we don't seem to be having Let me be a voice to say that I absolutely oppose AoIR making a statement an organizational statement on an issue with the complexity, deep roots, and deep pain and loss for both Palestinians and Israelis, which its members would oppose or sign from the comfort of lives thousands of miles away from the conflict. If individual members want to make statements for others to sign that go beyond the numerous public statements already available, they should do so. Pushing for an organizational effort will tear at the fabric of this community and compromise trust that will be hard to repair.
One need look no further than the response to Ayelet Baram-Tsabari who was brave enough to post on this thread, with deep sympathy for the plight of Gazan civilians, and who nonetheless was immediately painted as a right-winger with demands that she speak for all Israelis and/or the Israeli goverment. We know the technologies and platforms we study are settings where nuance and civility devolve quickly on such emotionally charged issues. The suggestion to boycott Israeli institutions that allegedly side with the current government—thereby excommunicating the scholars who work within them, many of whom spent most of 2023 in the streets protesting this very government—is abhorrent.
I hope any moves forward here will remain individual and not become AoIR statements.
Vikki
-- Vikki Katz, Ph.D. Professor | Chapman University School of Communication 1 University Drive, Orange CA 92866
Editor | Journal of Children and Media< https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tandfonline.com%2Floi%2Frchm20&data=05% 7C02%7Cm.alper%40northeastern.edu%7C3f38d0637ddb494ab08508dc1b7610fa% 7Ca8eec281aaa34daeac9b9a398b9215e7%7C0%7C0%7C638415441135799411%7CUnknown% 7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik 1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=uncm037Wh% 2FtJzzygbrkQJg0wXS5XHr2NB9i2GbOTK7w%3D&reserved=0 <https://www.tandfonline.com/loi/rchm20>>
Cell: 310.918.0428 | Website< https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vikkikatz.com%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cm.alper% 40northeastern.edu%7C3f38d0637ddb494ab08508dc1b7610fa% 7Ca8eec281aaa34daeac9b9a398b9215e7%7C0%7C0%7C638415441135811050%7CUnknown% 7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik 1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1lgW0wh%2BEBFOUM5lE%2B4% 2FbcTTmL5E6xtMo2T%2BINQfu98%3D&reserved=0 <http://www.vikkikatz.com/>> | Faculty Profile< https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chapman.edu%2Four-faculty%2Fvikki-katz& data=05%7C02%7Cm.alper%40northeastern.edu%7C3f38d0637ddb494ab08508dc1b76 10fa%7Ca8eec281aaa34daeac9b9a398b9215e7%7C0%7C0%7C638415441135817956% 7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik 1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2BVZV4cngF15VK% 2BiYwkujZcujooGZDYooxzbVDI%2B7WmY%3D&reserved=0 <https://www.chapman.edu/our-faculty/vikki-katz>>
________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Bolsover, Gillian via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 5:01 AM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org>; Ayelet Baram-Tsabari <ayelet@technion.ac.il>; g. tavmen <mail2gunes@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Air-L] The difficult conversation we don't seem to be having
External Message
[External Message]
I support the idea of AoIR issuing a statement, as well as the idea of focusing in that on the issues that our community is most affected by or able to take action in respect of (in particular the effects on students, academics and education in Gaza as well as articulating any principles that AoIR members are encouraged to follow, such as proposed boycotts).
I understand this will be hard in such as large, diverse and bottom-up community, but I appreciate the bottom-up efforts to bring this about.
On the debate, I believe it is imperative that we are able to mention the suffering of one group without that necessarily implying the discounting of the suffering of another. ________________________________ Von: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> im Auftrag von g. tavmen via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Gesendet: Montag, 22. Januar 2024 12:34 An: air-l@listserv.aoir.org <air-l@listserv.aoir.org>; Ayelet Baram-Tsabari <ayelet@technion.ac.il> Betreff: Re: [Air-L] The difficult conversation we don't seem to be having
Ayelet, you basically parrot the official Israeli propaganda that we hear over and over again on media but I'd be much more interested in what you actually have to suggest. So would you like us to ignore the catastrophic situation in Gaza because Hamas attacked first? (which, by the way, is also not true but let's go with your skewed argument..) Can you please advise as an Israeli how should we respond to the death of thousands of children, destruction of hospitals and all of the universities in Gaza and many other atrocities? Really interested in hearing this instead of telling us something we hear over and over again every single day on mass media. What should be the next step? Please guide us.
On Monday, 22 January 2024 at 10:49:50 GMT, Ayelet Baram-Tsabari via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Dear Air-Ls, As you, I am worried about the loss of life in Gaza, but I cannot but wonder about the omission of the trigger for the war: In the wake of Saturday, October 7th, Israel was attacked by about 5000 Hamas terrorists, who systematically slaughtered and burned alive family after family in villages near the Gaza border, rapped women before killing them in the music festival in Re’im, and sadistically tortured kids in front of their parents. One of those murdered was Yasmin Zohar, a M.Sc. student of a friend of mine. Yasmin, her two daughters, her husband, and her father were all brutally slaughtered in their home in Kibbutz Nahal Oz that Saturday morning. Only her son Ariel, almost 13, survived. He moved to live with his uncles in the city of Rishon LeZion – where I grew up. So many Harry Potters were created that day. This is a complex situation with a long history. At the moment, Israel is responding to an immediate unprovoked terrorist attack against civilians by Hamas, who publicly promised to do that again. Looking at the affiliations of those responding in the list, I can safely say that your countries would have – and in fact have already done so in the past – reacted similarly to such attacks. Like you, I also follow with horror what happens in Gaza. But sometimes, it seems to me, that I care more about the hungry and futureless kids in Gaza, than the Western Pro-Palestinians protesters who, in fact, work hard to allow the continuation of Hamas control there. As I see it, this is practically like supporting the Taliban's control over Afghanistan instead of supporting Afghanis who try to get rid of the Taliban. Best Ayelet Baram-Tsabari Technion – Israel Institute of Technology
-----Original Message----- From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> On Behalf Of Alia ElKattan via Air-L Sent: Monday, 22 January 2024 10:39 To: Sky Croeser <scroeser@gmail.com> Cc: Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] The difficult conversation we don't seem to be having
Thanks so much for this Sky.
Especially as every university in Gaza had been partially or fully destroyed, hundreds of professors and academics have been killed, and academic institutions outside Gaza have engaged in targeting and suppression of pro-Palestine speech, I am fully supportive of an academic boycott and a clear stance of public solidarity and action. Also interested in any research efforts to better understand internet research in the Palestinian context.
Given the online and livestreamed nature of this genocide where we've seen people telling us the horrific atrocities committed against them in real time on all our internet platforms, often followed by news of their murder, it is imperative for an association of internet researchers to take a stance.
Not to mention the nature of online suppression, disinformation, doxxing, and harassment that has been at the center of a campaign to justify and even celebrate the murder of over 30,000 people and the forced starvation and displacement of millions amidst an intentional destruction of lifesaving healthcare and telecommunication (including internet) facilities.
Thank you for initiating this, and please count me in for any efforts moving forward.
Best, Alia ElKattan NYU Politics PhD student
On Sun, 21 Jan 2024, 10:33 pm Sky Croeser via Air-L, < air-l@listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
Hi everyone,
This is a difficult message to write, and I know that it will probably open some difficult conversations. I realised this morning that I was shying away from having these conversations because I don’t want to create problems for the many colleagues who I respect and am fond of within AoIR. And while I do care about all of you, sometimes care means being brave (and perhaps annoying) instead of being polite.
So. We need to talk about Gaza. And we need to talk about Israel. Many of us have been speaking up individually, but our voices have more power when we bring them together. I have signed on to other open letters, but I think there are also important reasons for the Association of Internet Researchers to take a stance.
*What I am suggesting?*
I am asking for us to have a discussion about some form of public solidarity with Palestinians who are currently under attack, and with those within Israel and around the world who are speaking up against the actions of the Israeli state.
It might involve a statement of solidarity for those who are under attack in Gaza and other parts of Palestine, and for people engaged in non-violent resistance to the actions of the Israeli state. It might involve joining the international call for an academic boycott of Israeli institutions complicit in the ongoing violence against Palestinians (the guidelines for which are available here < https://prot/ ect.checkpoint.com%2Fv2%2F___https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2 Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__bdsmovement.net_academic-2Dboycott%26d%3DDwI GaQ%26c%3DslrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ%26r%3D_qxx8hR7VThFwWvNFxP6nQ%26m%3DnI TU5p9O-sngHqMCv9uJophceBAbhVeAPnRtuMSSssf6GRmC-UG5g8B7aYj9pqtG%26s%3DV WYyUrwvfdi6Dj-iZznUqpiO-w2cSjpoU1kPDpJN4BM%26e%3D___.YzJlOnRlY2huaW9uO mM6bzplMzJmMzg5OGQ5YjM3MDNjNTY5N2EwOTRjOWYzNTE0Mjo2OjgzOTg6YjViN2NhMDV kNjdjMDU1Yzc4ZDg3MDYwYjkwNjk3ZmViNGRhMWE4YmUwMDg4MTI2Yzk0MWQ3MjlkODJhM TliZTpwOlQ&data=05%7C02%7Cayelet%40technion.ac.il%7C0b68e34e633343f73a 8808dc1b265754%7Cf1502c4cee2e411c9715c855f6753b84%7C1%7C0%7C6384150987 22457179%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=UG4qjjAuwDr%2BU3Qu sL9gx89MOeI5sSmug5DtQEXbd4E%3D&reserved=0
). It might involve a commitment to ask our own academic institutions to cut their ties with the Israeli state. It might take some other format.
*Why now?*
There are many acts of violence and oppression happening around the world. Why should our academic organisation speak up on this, specifically?
Because the scale of the violence is immense and continuing < https://prot/ ect.checkpoint.com%2Fv2%2F___https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2 Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__ https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oxfam.org_en_press-2dreleases_daily-2dde% 2F&data=05%7C02%7Cm.alper%40northeastern.edu% 7C3f38d0637ddb494ab08508dc1b7610fa%7Ca8eec281aaa34daeac9b9a398b92 15e7%7C0%7C0%7C638415441135822745%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAw MDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata= MZVqZJMWdOoBXOaa6GqIlh8rpvNi0fkwRDoY50L5m%2BQ%3D&reserved=0 ath-2Drate-2Dgaza-2Dhigher-2Dany-2Dother-2Dmajor-2D21st-2Dcentury-2Dco nflict-2Doxfam%26d%3DDwIGaQ%26c%3DslrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ%26r%3D_qxx8hR 7VThFwWvNFxP6nQ%26m%3DnITU5p9O-sngHqMCv9uJophceBAbhVeAPnRtuMSSssf6GRmC -UG5g8B7aYj9pqtG%26s%3DEs7P284K75TmQTGEDWDU-KYL-r_nZz66TYORiCEdSjY%26e %3D___.YzJlOnRlY2huaW9uOmM6bzplMzJmMzg5OGQ5YjM3MDNjNTY5N2EwOTRjOWYzNTE 0Mjo2OmRlZDU6NTk0MjllYWNiN2VjODBhNzlkNjBmZmU3NTY5MTJkYzcxODQzYTkxMTFlM jQ1ODZjMTg4NzdlYzI3MzNiZjg5ZDpwOlQ&data=05%7C02%7Cayelet%40technion.ac .il%7C0b68e34e633343f73a8808dc1b265754%7Cf1502c4cee2e411c9715c855f6753 b84%7C1%7C0%7C638415098722468741%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wL jAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C& sdata=jlFoDFRZtptQmLmkzwEPkGRoVepjm1Kda5veB%2BoLQGM%3D&reserved=0
, exceeding that of any recent armed conflict. There is no end in sight, and the deliberate restriction of food, water, and medicine means that people within Gaza face starvation and disease as well as bombing and other forms of direct violence.
Because many of us are based in countries which are prepared to condemn other atrocities, but are unwilling to issue more than lukewarm statements about the Israeli state’s violence against Palestinians. For example, Australia’s foreign minister Penny Wong < https://prot/ ect.checkpoint.com%2Fv2%2F___https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2 Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__ https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com_australia-2dnews_2024_ja% 2F&data=05%7C02%7Cm.alper%40northeastern.edu% 7C3f38d0637ddb494ab08508dc1b7610fa%7Ca8eec281aaa34daeac9b9a398b92 15e7%7C0%7C0%7C638415441135827734%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAw MDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000% 7C%7C%7C&sdata=MW1%2B37FAZ%2FZqQ%2BEg%2BUIPnCRTPSL7plTZOQa% 2FEb2sTiI%3D&reserved=0 n_17_penny-2Dwong-2Dmeets-2Disrael-2Dkatz-2Disaac-2Dherzog-2Disrael-2D gaza-2Dpalestine-2Dwar-2Dmeets-2Dhamas-2Dhostages%26d%3DDwIGaQ%26c%3Ds lrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ%26r%3D_qxx8hR7VThFwWvNFxP6nQ%26m%3DnITU5p9O-sngH qMCv9uJophceBAbhVeAPnRtuMSSssf6GRmC-UG5g8B7aYj9pqtG%26s%3DS0mk_R5rD7PR dobIyqLg7MJ1ZGKaF0jnyh_fXIFEda0%26e%3D___.YzJlOnRlY2huaW9uOmM6bzplMzJm Mzg5OGQ5YjM3MDNjNTY5N2EwOTRjOWYzNTE0Mjo2Ojg5MTI6NDFmZTI2YmQ5NWE3NTVlYz c4NDQyMjEwMTEzOTllYjFkMDBmMjAwOTU5MWVlZTQyYmViMGZjYzRmMzdhYzkzMzpwOlQ& data=05%7C02%7Cayelet%40technion.ac.il%7C0b68e34e633343f73a8808dc1b265 754%7Cf1502c4cee2e411c9715c855f6753b84%7C1%7C0%7C638415098722474257%7C Unknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1h aWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JUqPI2fa2HGBZr42oZOAgnC9xcjoP OscIFg3bg79uKs%3D&reserved=0
“has met with Israeli relatives of hostages held by Hamas and assured them that she will continue to use Australia’s voice to call for the immediate, unconditional and safe return of all hostages” and affirmed Australian support for Israel, while only “raising concerns” about the humanitarian situation in Gaza. Australia has also supported the US/UK bombing of Yemen < https://prot/ ect.checkpoint.com%2Fv2%2F___https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2 Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__ https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com_australia-2dnews_2024_ja% 2F&data=05%7C02%7Cm.alper%40northeastern.edu% 7C3f38d0637ddb494ab08508dc1b7610fa%7Ca8eec281aaa34daeac9b9a398b92 15e7%7C0%7C0%7C638415441135832243%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAw MDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000% 7C%7C%7C&sdata=O%2B%2Fc0MkY28rUlfWCCpNkFnIsz4gOKNN hA6yZgg0Cq%2FQ%3D&reserved=0 n_12_australia-2Dmilitary-2Dsupport-2Dyemen-2Dairstrikes-2Dus-2Duk%26d %3DDwIGaQ%26c%3DslrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ%26r%3D_qxx8hR7VThFwWvNFxP6nQ%26 m%3DnITU5p9O-sngHqMCv9uJophceBAbhVeAPnRtuMSSssf6GRmC-UG5g8B7aYj9pqtG%2 6s%3DQS8GIDLClQoZy8ZJz43BrLi5mUMQHElFaVGogURYqL8%26e%3D___.YzJlOnRlY2h uaW9uOmM6bzplMzJmMzg5OGQ5YjM3MDNjNTY5N2EwOTRjOWYzNTE0Mjo2OjdlNjI6ODI3N GZjN2ZlZjRhNTljMWJiZjBmNGE0NmJhMjY5NTZhM2Q2MGE4OGU2ODZlMmM4OWI1ZWYzNWQ 4N2ZiYTRkYzpwOlQ&data=05%7C02%7Cayelet%40technion.ac.il%7C0b68e34e6333 43f73a8808dc1b265754%7Cf1502c4cee2e411c9715c855f6753b84%7C1%7C0%7C6384 15098722479601%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2l uMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=i%2F2tPnSqUC %2BFV2xKpG%2FBm2j8wmPb9KjINf6wEj6Z43o%3D&reserved=0
in retailation for their disruption of shipping routes to Israel. Where our own governments will not speak up for human rights, we have an obligation to raise our voices.
Because AoIR is < https://prot/ ect.checkpoint.com%2Fv2%2F___https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2 Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__aoir.org_diversity-2Dand-2Dinclusivity_%26d% 3DDwIGaQ%26c%3DslrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ%26r%3D_qxx8hR7VThFwWvNFxP6nQ%26m %3DnITU5p9O-sngHqMCv9uJophceBAbhVeAPnRtuMSSssf6GRmC-UG5g8B7aYj9pqtG%26 s%3Dzdb3GeVNJiWgHyIV5jiywyKQesYbA4F_Xv7En6vt9_g%26e%3D___.YzJlOnRlY2hu aW9uOmM6bzplMzJmMzg5OGQ5YjM3MDNjNTY5N2EwOTRjOWYzNTE0Mjo2OjU3MDM6ZTczYz c3ZWZmMjEwZWY0ZTY3MTRiMTllMjUxODNiYWU2NTc2NTg5MGJiODY3OTJlM2MzOGY0NGQw NTA1Mjc5ODpwOlQ&data=05%7C02%7Cayelet%40technion.ac.il%7C0b68e34e63334 3f73a8808dc1b265754%7Cf1502c4cee2e411c9715c855f6753b84%7C1%7C0%7C63841 5098722484903%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2lu MzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=C0ji%2FQpWqP% 2B9AZRdJnL41PIknads6jqpw4CmbYBPyuw%3D&reserved=0
“is committed to the most fundamental principles of academic freedom, equality of opportunity, and human dignity.” The last university in Gaza has now been destroyed < https://prot/ ect.checkpoint.com%2Fv2%2F___https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2 Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__
<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot_news_24059315.israel-2d%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cm.alper%40northeastern.edu%7C3f38d0637ddb494ab08508dc1b7610fa%7Ca8eec281aaa34daeac9b9a398b9215e7%7C0%7C0%7C638415441135836706%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=q1gaSE6CU3ihdCRTK9%2FNCurmog4gwS3woy5LmrjeKao%3D&reserved=0> _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: ht <http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org>