At the risk of entering this argument a little late and without meaning to offend anyone involved, I would like to reinforce the notion of mailing list "listening" as a form of active participation. As Nonnecke & Preece (2001) in "Why Lurkers Lurk" have noted, there is a productive dimension to mailing list engagement at a purely lurking level. It's a shame more pedagogues feel the need to measure output as a means of user engagement, particularly when the nature of an assignment is to seek out responses to an idea or (in the case of this list particularly) a technological development which can only produce a shallow reflection on the proposed topic. In order to avoid this practice in the past, I preferred to use a subject-specific bulletin board, blog or wiki as a means of encouraging student-student interaction, but made that student-oriented discussion open to the world, and instead sent messages to my lists inviting colleagues and other students to engage in the debates begun on my class lists, by giving them links to the online presence and allowing them to comment in response to student initiated posts. This avoided the usual "spam" oriented responses, and allowed my colleagues who had the time and interest to engage in the debate to access the questions and considerations of students as they saw fit. The worst possible impression that students could glean from the exercise we have seen displayed here is that mailing lists are not a valuable source of collective knowledge. Yet if they receive no responses to their queries, then that is precisely the response they are likely to foster. I may be speaking selfishly (given the nature of my own research), but my sense is that this episode in AoIR mailing list history is further evidence that interaction design systems should be considered as a priority in curriculum development, or indeed any intra-organisational knowledge base implementation strategy. Regards to you all, Joanne Jacobs _________________________________________________ Joanne Jacobs Project Manager Australasian CRC for Interaction Design Seconded from the Brisbane Graduate School of Business, QUT. Ph: +61 7 3337 7832 Fax: +61 7 3337 7834 Email: j2.jacobs@qut.edu.au, joanne@acid.net.au, joanne@joannejacobs.net