In my humble opinion! X is the sum of all "technologies" that make up the Internet X is a medium Y is the sum of all activities conducted using X Y is not X Y is source Y has boundaries that begin at the edge of the human sensorium and is bounded by X Y is the sum of all domains that are socially derived and applied to the "use" of X For my usage: X is the Internet - a medium Y is social space, cyberspace, net space, as you will - a "source" of information and derived meaning Both represent an ontological commitment with sanctioned inferences, as this thread suggests. --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.