Hi danah, Thanks for your empirical example of the IJOC. But let's be sure we're comparing apples to apples here. My argument was that successful scholars won't jump ship to publish in journals where they and their chums or disciples do not maintain editorial control--i.e., journals in which editorial decisions are "open source" as well. Does the IJOC allow reader commentary on articles? Does it allow readers to rank the published articles in terms of their value, validity, etc. of the articles like books are evaluated on Amazon.com? Does it allow for readers to peruse all articles that were cited in order to champion those that the editors wrongly relegated to the scrap heap? If it doesn't do any of these things, its just an online version of the old journals, and there's nothing special about such a journal from an intellectual perspective. Sure, they are special in terms of their economic model, but that's it, and that shouldn't be enough for folks who are really interested in the open exchange and evaluation of ideas. Christian Nelson