Nancy and all, I think I take exception to this characterization. 1. Science as I understand it is the systematic study, observation or experimentation of a subject so as to determine the nature or principles of what is being studied. A person who does this is a scientist. 2. A scholar is a person who is trained to study, observe or experiment in a special branch of learning. e.g a scholar is a learned student of something. 3. Academic discussion is purely theoretical. I would hardly discount the level of discussions here as anything but scholarly, academic, or scientific given that our mission is to illuminate basic principles relative to our multi-disciplines and netspace. Sam Nancy Baym <nbaym@ku.edu> wrote: define themselves as "scientists" but as humanists, artists, practioners, and other categories, though that does not lessen the need for definitional clarity. --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.