Hi Anne and all, I agree with you that there are many generations in the web, and I think that it's something that must be considered. I also believe that the age explains the different experiences that you and Anna described.
From what I've been observing, I must say that people behave completely different in Orkut according to the deceased person's age. I've witnessed profiles of people who were around 40 or more when they died. Although their death was sudden, the commotion was fully different from the one that usuallyt happens with younger ones. The profile of the older still received messages for a while, but then people stopped writing. There are one or another who keep writing, but they're few. When the profile's owner was young, even after 3 or more years since the death, people keep writing often, and always in such an emotional way.
Best Mariana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Holappa" <aholapp2@welho.com> To: <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: [Air-L] web sites after death Hi Anna & Marianna etc. I agree network gives possibilities for showing the sorrow in a new way. But I have to point out that there still are kind of several generations acting in the web. Death that happened personally close to me left there for example a facebook profile of the deceased that wasn´t to be formulated to any memorial website or virtual graveyard. It was lacking almost all that even though the deceased was very well known and had several contacts etc. I wrote privately to Marianna about it. I don´t know if it´s due to age of the persons near the deceased or is it due to sorrowing habits we have here in Finland and the stereotype of not showing deep feelings in public. I don´t know, but like I said to Marianna, this is very interesting research area. Anne Holappa, cultural anthropologist, Finland Lainaus Anna Haverinen <aehaverinen@gmail.com>:
Hi Mariana and everybody, I'm a recently graduated student of anthropology from Finland and I have witnessed the same phenomena here too. It seems to be a natural response for the people left behind since a blog or a webpage or a profile seems to have this sense of personality, e.g. the personality of the deceased. In the same way people leave candles and memorial artefacts to locations where a person had died or used to live. People seem to think that we leave a hint of ourselves in places, also in virtual space. This phenomena includes official memorial websites and virtual graveyards (which I'm studying currently for my doctorate thesis) that have been flourishing since 1995. I did my master's thesis about virtual memorial sites, their public/private aspects and conceptualizing virtual space experience. Death rituals (mourning, bereavement and honoring the deceased) are changing with Internet and social networking, and they seem to give a new way of coping with loss and sorrow.
Unfortunately my work is still in progress and my master's thesis is still only in Finnish (will get it translated soon), but hopefully this remark has been helpful to you.
Best, Anna Haverinen
2009/7/3 Nishant Shah <itsnishant@gmail.com>
Hi Mariana, Thanks for the introduction to your work. It sounds quite fascinating and indeed has seen some parallels in India. Especially with a couple of high-profile cases which found a lot of publicity in the mainstream media, and were dubbed facetiously as 'Orkut Deaths', we saw a similar phenomenon in India. In both the cases, the two young people who died, left active profiles which were at the centre of a great public debate and resulted in thousands upon thousands of people coming to see, to comment and to leave testimonials and messages of grief, condolence, and anger at the tragic turn of events. I had written a small Op-ed for a national daily that gives some of this information which you can research further ( http://www.hindu.com/mag/2007/09/02/stories/2007090250010100.htm ). I also have a chapter in my PhD thesis that deals with these two cases and gives more details about the same. Please let me know if you would like to have a look at them and I will email it to you in person.
One of the more important thing about these live profiles of people who had passed away, was also the appearance of clones. There were suddenly many people who were creating 'false' accounts, appropriating the persona of the dead, and also receiving a lot of comments and scraps.I found this particularly interesting because these accounts were accurate in the information about the dead persons and also appropriated their pictures, creating elaborate false networks and photo albums to create a certain notion of authenticity.
Hope this information is helpful to you,
Warmly Nishant
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Mariana Matos < marianasantiagodematos@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello there!
I've been on the list for almost 2 months, but, until now, I've just read what people were writing. And I must say there are many interesting topics being discussed! However, I'd like to introduce myself and share with you all information about my research subject.
I'm a psychologist from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, a PhD student at PUC-Rio (the Catholic University). I'm part of a group of researchers who have been studying the psychological and social impacts of the use of technology such as the Internet, cell phones, games, and some others. The group is leaded by Professor Ana Maria Nicolaci-da-Costa, who's been researching on this subject since the very beggining of the use of Internet in Brazil.
My research in on the habit of writing scraps, on Orkut (the most popular social network site in Brazil), to people who died and left their profiles active. As you should know, if someone dies, the profile may still be active, what happens if no one deletes it or asks the site to delete it. I've been observing that a substantial number of dead people's profile receive a great amount of messages, writen often by close friends and family. In these messages, they "talk" about their feelings, tell the dead about their quotidian (i.e. what they did in the weekend), talk about their memories etc.
I have the impression that this is a brazilian phenomenon, and I'd like to ask you if you see something similar in your countries, even if people use other SNS, like Facebook or any other. Do you know people who died and let their profiles? Do you know if they still receive messages, even if more than one year have passed since the death?
Best regards,
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