Reid, I'd be interested in the parallel to your views that you find in Michael Gibbons. His principal point, if I recall correctly, has to do with the difference between "Mode 1" and "Mode 2" approaches to the production and dissemination of knowledge. Is that your understanding? The "Mode 2" approach seems to have important implications for the relations between university research and the future of the Internet. Have you discussed that relationship? I don't recall is emphasizing the matter of the Ph.D. and university employment. Steve Eskow -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Dr. W. Reid Cornwell Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:27 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Air-list I am addressing the term "list-relevant" Air-1 Archives contain: 1096 Articles that contain "education" as a topic 491 that have references to "jobs" 708 that have reference to "positions" 2084 that have reference to "PhD and education" Scholar.google.com reveals 103 peer reviewed articles on "Monster Board" Alone Scholar.google.com has 28,900 hits on "job search" Scholar.google.com has 224 hits on "internet job search" There are no references to Monster Board in the AOIR archive. "The New Production of knowledge" Gibbons et al makes significant points about PhD and Universities that parallels my view. I guess I have no clue as to what is listserv-relevant. There are only 600 references to "AOIR" total and some of them are about "Ambient Ingress Oxygen Rate" Reid -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of joshua raclaw Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:20 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Air-list Christian, I wouldn't say we all have the 'have to' impulse, having deleted a number of these recent emails outright rather than wade through them all while hoping for something list-relevant :) I'm not sure I see the connection between that kind of impetus and F2F habits, though - attending to list posts involves actively opening emails using a medium that was designed for asynchronous communication, which I don't see much of a parallel to in face to face spoken discourse (though I could certainly see a parallel between the unopened mail in the inbox to the summons of a telephone ring, where the 'expected' action is to give the message your time). I think defining 'the floor' as being the same in email and F2F is where I'm seeing the disconnect. Joshua Joshua Raclaw - PhD student Department of Linguistics Culture, Language & Social Practice University of Colorado at Boulder http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~raclaw/ Quoting Christian Nelson <xianknelson@mac.com>: * * On Sep 13, 2006, at 7:33 PM, radhika gajjala wrote: * * > its so sad that people (and I include myself here) have to waste their * > time and energy arguing over all this when there is so much else to be * > done - both onine and offline. * * "Have to"? That's the feeling I'm interested in. Does everyone feel * that? They can't help but read everything posted to the list? Where * does that come from? Is it, as I earlier suggested, due to a holdover * of f2f habits, or something else? * --Christian * * _______________________________________________ * The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list * is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org * Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: * http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org * * Join the Association of Internet Researchers: * http://www.aoir.org/ * _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The air-l@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/