I agree with alex on this. if you are trying to find out the real location of a server, there is no way to get that information from the internet and be sure that the information is correct. you can do a traceroute and usually find indications of location by looking at where the geographical identifiers end, but that doesn't always yield correct info either. for instance there are vt.edu servers in blacksburg, and nova, but i suspect that there might be at least one elsewhere in the world, but www.vt.edu is in blacksburg. however, many smaller colleges do not run their own web services, so i think it was haverford is actually running from the drexel system and swarthmore had some partnership with cornell for a few years, i'm pretty sure. this example just goes to show that you have several layers of identity and location and they don't easily map. if you want to know where indymedia servers are, just ask them. self-reporting might be more reliable. On Jun 10, 2006, at 8:03 PM, Alex Halavais wrote:
As earlier responses noted, locating servers is a shaky business, and even once you have, it's not clear why it matters in many cases. Until recently, my personal website had a server in Hong Kong (IP location) managed by a web host in Sofia, the name was registered to a Seattle address (whois record), by a Parisian registrar. The only piece of locational data in all that which was correct (Buffalo, at the time) was the ICBM tags on some of the pages. So, be sure you know what it is you are trying to locate, and if the server is really it.
There are commercial databases of IP address geolocation. These are somewhat reliable, some of the time :). You might, for example, play with:
http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm
There is an effort at developing a free/open IP location database: not quite as complete (~50% correct!), but worth supporting. In fact, if AIR-L readers go and hit this database and check to make sure it correctly locates your IP address, it would take only a few seconds, and help to develop a great public resource:
- Alex
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