Just to explain my thinking at the time of creating the example. 02 October 2003 15:09 Frank Schaap wrote
would the date be part of the blog post title?
In some blogs there is a title for each entry, in other there is simply a date, so it seemed there should be a place holder in the reference for entry title \ date. By their nature Blogs tend to be are moment by moment so the exact time and date of an entry can provide valuable context.
Secondly, why would you have to mention that /Play Money/ is a blog? I looked at a few things on Harvard notation and they seems to use the [type of thing] form in some instances. As a practical matter, there is now a lot of stuff that just happens to be on the web, I think that to provide context its useful to differentiate between a web site, a forum and a blog.
Secondly and a bit: why not use "weblog," that seems somewhat more official than blog. The makers of MovableType recently changed all occurances of "blog" in their documentation to "weblog" to reflect this sensibility. My personal feeling is that these are 'blogs', hence Blogger, Blogspot etc, I feel most bloggers think of themselves as such, why bother formalizing it.
Thirdly, why not use the full URL for pointing to that individual blog post? Now I have to go hunt it down myself from the index page instead of cutting/pasting the link.
Because this is not always possible, not all blogs use a bookmark or unique URL. My blog for instance does not have URLs for each entry.
Apart from referring to weblogs, I referred to Usenet newsgroup postings and not mailinglists. Mailinglists are in principle closed environments, while I would argue that newsgroups are fundamentally open forums.
I just thought I would throw listservs in while were at it. Some listserves are archived on the web and indexed by Google so that have a less determinate status. Ren www.renreynolds.com and while we are at it <g>: renreynolds.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: air-l-admin@aoir.org [mailto:air-l-admin@aoir.org] On Behalf Of Frank Schaap Sent: 02 October 2003 15:09 To: air-l@aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] How to cite blogs? radhika gajjala wrote:
amazing how hierarchies always emerge...
*grin* thanks, I needed that. ren reynolds wrote:
Roughly following Harvard style, here is an example of what I have used in the past, attempting to analogise between the different parts of the hierarchy had sort of a paper within a journal:
Dibble, J. (2003). 'Scammed! (Saturday, July 05, 2003)', Play Money Diary of a Dubious Proposition, [Blog], Available at: www.juliandibbell.com/playmoney/, Date accessed: 03/08/03.
Okay, I'm not really familiar with the Harvard style you mention, but why would the date be part of the blog post title? Secondly, why would you have to mention that /Play Money/ is a blog? (Secondly and a bit: why not use "weblog," that seems somewhat more official than blog. The makers of MovableType recently changed all occurances of "blog" in their documentation to "weblog" to reflect this sensibility.) Thirdly, why not use the full URL for pointing to that individual blog post? Now I have to go hunt it down myself from the index page instead of cutting/pasting the link. IMHO, working from the APA style, it would look something like this (slashes indicate italics): Dibbell, J. (2003). Scammed! /Play Money: Diary of Dubious Proposition./ Retrieved 3-3-2003 from: http://www.juliandibbell.com/playmoney/2003_07_01_playmoney_archive.html #105742751946738538 Right, I can see now why using the full URL could be a bit of a problem, but that can't be helped really, I think.
As to ethics of citation, I see blogs just like any other web site, and hence different from listserves which often have stated quotation rules.
Apart from referring to weblogs, I referred to Usenet newsgroup postings and not mailinglists. Mailinglists are in principle closed environments, while I would argue that newsgroups are fundamentally open forums. Frank. _______________________________________________ Air-l mailing list Air-l@aoir.org http://www.aoir.org/mailman/listinfo/air-l