Thanks David, for making sense of something that seemed senseless to me at first. LOGGING OFF While I am well known (?) for my 'logging off life' in that I participate monthly in the Lismore Spinners & Weavers, Inc. The conversation can range from the usual discussion of wool, wool quality, wool sources, and inevitably, sheep, as a couple of women also raise their own sheep and alpaca. It's not insanely domestic, as the Spinners' 'past lives' include working on farms in South Africa, former Rhodesia (before Zimbabwe), Uganda before Amin, and one lady spent a year on Maui, Hawaii where she learned Hawaiian style quilting. I tell my own stories from American Samoa. We have presentations on Indonesian batik (where one spinner lived for 6 years), tapa making (bark cloth) and many have friends from Tonga, Samoa, New Zealand, and Latin America, and pratise crafts relating directly to those areas. Also travelers to India bring back textiles. I COULD (and do) look at some craft sites on the internet, but there's nothing like (as we say in Australia) "getting your hands dirty"! To me, that means learning something from someone else that I didn't know before - OFFLINE. Oops I guess I'm out of the closet . . . . As far as students - well field trips where there is no electricity are invaluable. We do them in Forestry every year. Cheers, Denise Denise N. Rall, PhD. Internationalisation Project Officer Southern Cross University, Lismore NSW 2480 AUSTRALIA Office: Room T2.17, +61 (0)2 6620 3577 Mobile 0438 233 344 http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/esm/staff/pages/drall/ Presenter, Internet Research 9.0, 15-18 October 2008, Copenhagen, DK Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail