I think everyone is bringing up great points. This is a big deal that many people aren't discussing about the bans. I see it is a major breach of academic freedom. Thinking about writing an op-ed, but I haven't been very effective at pitching them in the past. David -----Original Message----- From: Fred Fuchs <fred@firesabre.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 3:40 PM To: Morten Bay <mortench@usc.edu>; Arditi, David M <darditi@uta.edu> Cc: aoir list <air-l@aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] TikTok Bans and Research [External] On 1/13/2023 2:27 PM, Morten Bay via Air-L wrote:
Given that UT is a public university, this is a very serious, indirect limitation of academic freedom and almost comparable to what they call berufsverbot in Germany.
It is likely the reason for the ban will be on a computer and digital security basis. There is the possibility that IT workarounds will be available for researchers who need to make use of TikTok.
Even if you are tenured, wouldn't you be risking your job by publishing research that you have done by breaking the law? Using personal devices is probably not in line with neither university policies overall nor IRB policies.
An attempt to control what apps a tenured professor uses on their personal cell phone or personally-owned computer would be seen as a first amendment right violation among other things. It would be unlikely to stand up to scrutiny when reviewed by a court. One would need to avoid using any university resources, including university provided wi-fi. Please note: I am not a lawyer. Fred -- Fred Fuchs - Founder, CEO, & Producer FireSabre Consulting LLC Content Services for Virtual Worlds --- On 1/13/2023 2:27 PM, Morten Bay via Air-L wrote:
Given that UT is a public university, this is a very serious, indirect limitation of academic freedom and almost comparable to what they call berufsverbot in Germany.
Even if you are tenured, wouldn't you be risking your job by publishing research that you have done by breaking the law? Using personal devices is probably not in line with neither university policies overall nor IRB policies.
Governmental bans on research topics are a very serious problem of the kind that leads to/characterizes authoritarianism. Arendt would have a field day with this.
I am sure you will find whatever you need in terms of support from us in this community, David.
Has AoIR put out a statement on this? Perhaps we should?
Morten
________________________________ From: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Aram Sinnreich via Air-L <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023, 10:43 AM To: Arditi, David M <darditi@uta.edu> Cc: aoir list <air-l@aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] TikTok Bans and Research
Oh, yeah. That. Maybe we can build a VPN around the GOP.
On Jan 13, 2023, at 1:01 PM, Arditi, David M <darditi@uta.edu> wrote:
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Yes, I know there are workarounds. I can access from my personal phone or tablet. The issue seems to be about academic freedom and being able to conduct research on things, even if the state doesn't like it.
David
-----Original Message----- From: Aram Sinnreich <aram@american.edu<mailto:aram@american.edu>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 11:41 AM To: Arditi, David M <darditi@uta.edu<mailto:darditi@uta.edu>> Cc: aoir list <air-l@aoir.org<mailto:air-l@aoir.org>> Subject: Re: [Air-L] TikTok Bans and Research
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At the risk of asking the obvious, have you tried accessing the service via a (non-university) VPN?
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Hi All,
I just realized that I can no longer access TikTok from work computers. This is in compliance with a policy about TikTok in Texas. Since the American federal government and other states are banning it as well, I'm wondering if anyone has figured out an effective workaround. This is a big barrier to conducting academic research on TikTok, social media, or just the cultural world. Any suggestions would be useful.
Thank you, David
Dr. David Arditi Associate Professor of Sociology Director of the Center for Theory University of Texas at Arlington
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