A quick side note on Nancy's very thoughtful post: "3. I am very uncomfortable with the idea that ALL research studying online interaction requires consent of those studied. As I've said before on this list, for me, this becomes most troubling in cases where people are studying hate groups." Agreed. But even within hate groups, sociologists have effectively conducted *overt* research. As Kathleen Blee's excellent "Inside Organized Racism: Women in the Hate Movement" shows, even in *offline* interactions, researchers can still neogiate research access to people with pretty horrendous politics. Too often we as ethnographers are too quick to dismiss the possiblitity of access to social worlds radically different than our own. It may be ethical to conduct covert research on these groups, but as Blee shows, one can often get much better and much more politically useful information if the research is done openly. Gina Gina Neff Postdoctoral Fellow Institute for Labor and Employment UCLA